Centollo Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 why wormwood need to sleep or use the bat weapon to heal? i think in his new tree he need an hability to regen health by another way because some perks like the fly trap are useless. same way wormwood is a chad Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149185-why-wormwood-as-a-plant-cant-plant-himself-to-heal/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheggf Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 He needs a mamuta to do that. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149185-why-wormwood-as-a-plant-cant-plant-himself-to-heal/#findComment-1647802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brago-sama Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 Considering he has a perk tree in beta now, that could tottally be a slot, sacrificing speed for hp regen when blooming Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149185-why-wormwood-as-a-plant-cant-plant-himself-to-heal/#findComment-1647827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
_zwb Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, Brago-sama said: sacrificing That's where you're wrong, DST skill trees are all about upsides with no drawbacks whatsoever Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149185-why-wormwood-as-a-plant-cant-plant-himself-to-heal/#findComment-1647830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelewar Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 18 hours ago, _zwb said: That's where you're wrong, DST skill trees are all about upsides with no drawbacks whatsoever NOOOO!!! WORM CAN TEND TO CROPS IN A LARGER RADIUS?? THE POST-CELESTIAL CHAMPION GEAR HAS AN EXTRA EFFECT RIPPED OFF THE THULICITE CLUB?? HE CAN CRAFT CARRATS NOW? OMG, EVEN BUTTERFLIES ARE FRIENDLY TO HIM?!? HE CAN MAKE PIGS CRAP!!! It's over guys pack it up. Game is too easy. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149185-why-wormwood-as-a-plant-cant-plant-himself-to-heal/#findComment-1648229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
_zwb Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 13 minutes ago, Skelewar said: NOOOO!!! WORM CAN TEND TO CROPS IN A LARGER RADIUS?? THE POST-CELESTIAL CHAMPION GEAR HAS AN EXTRA EFFECT RIPPED OFF THE THULICITE CLUB?? HE CAN CRAFT CARRATS NOW? OMG, EVEN BUTTERFLIES ARE FRIENDLY TO HIM?!? HE CAN MAKE PIGS CRAP!!! It's over guys pack it up. Game is too easy. I'm not saying the game is easy, stop attacking the strawman. I'm saying you can get those perks for free, compared to the existing perks that always come with a downside. You can get those perks on day 1 as long as you unlocked them once. Is that not problematic? Take woodie as an example, he can completely ignored his downside once he unlocked the lunar tree final skill... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149185-why-wormwood-as-a-plant-cant-plant-himself-to-heal/#findComment-1648236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheggf Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 5 hours ago, Skelewar said: NOOOO!!! WORM CAN TEND TO CROPS IN A LARGER RADIUS?? THE POST-CELESTIAL CHAMPION GEAR HAS AN EXTRA EFFECT RIPPED OFF THE THULICITE CLUB?? HE CAN CRAFT CARRATS NOW? OMG, EVEN BUTTERFLIES ARE FRIENDLY TO HIM?!? HE CAN MAKE PIGS CRAP!!! It's over guys pack it up. Game is too easy. Ignoring your disingenuous post where you're intentionally picking the weakest things, ignoring the better perks, and pretending like the weakest perks are the only ones that exist, can you list the drawbacks to the upsides that the skill trees offer? Because that's all he said, that they have no drawbacks. He didn't say anything else. He was just responding to someone saying that there could be an interesting perk with a trade-off instead of being a direct upgrade, and he pointed out that they're all direct upgrades with no trade-offs. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149185-why-wormwood-as-a-plant-cant-plant-himself-to-heal/#findComment-1648342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MondayNight Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, Cheggf said: ...can you list the drawbacks to the upsides that the skill trees offer? Because that's all he said, that they have no drawbacks. He didn't say anything else. Am not sure if these "Skill Trees" KLei comes up with are actually in RPGs ethos (usually 1-2 bons for 1 con) and not a softcore re-tweaking of previous re-balances with what people complained about characters over time. For example in Woodie's case a lot of players pointed at how Moonstorms are horrendous for him, each night forcing transformations and only way to by-pass is Cave camping or hiding in Bush-Hat/SnailShell; for Wolfgang people lamented about the idle aspect of Gym and Dumbbells as a bad mechanic, likewise how Planar component limits his core 2x Dmg dealt; and for Wormwood that he needs more crafts, Bramble Husk tweaks (I even vaguely remember some drawing on these forums with said Husk having Vines upgrades) a.s.o. To me it looks like KLei tackles players' old grievances/suggestions via "Skill Trees". And also seems to flip-flop on Planar Damage - quite the number of folks wrote Planar element was a mistake, wasn't that well received of a mechanic; there's a chance devs are "Moon Quay"-ing it too. RPG-like Skill Trees and their points from in-game actions are fun when done well, thus maybe KLei saw it as means to re-re-rebalance, eh. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149185-why-wormwood-as-a-plant-cant-plant-himself-to-heal/#findComment-1648349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelewar Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Cheggf said: Ignoring your disingenuous post where you're intentionally picking the weakest things, ignoring the better perks, and pretending like the weakest perks are the only ones that exist, can you list the drawbacks to the upsides that the skill trees offer? Because that's all he said, that they have no drawbacks. He didn't say anything else. He was just responding to someone saying that there could be an interesting perk with a trade-off instead of being a direct upgrade, and he pointed out that they're all direct upgrades with no trade-offs. Well out of the whole tree the good perks are the spore cloud thing and the lunar gear synergies right? One requires you to gather moonshrooms or kill mushgnomes, obviously not too hard but still tedious since they can't be farmed with a mushroom planter. Also, eating moonshrooms makes you tired and could put you to sleep so if you really want to spam spore clouds you need to make a mushcake too. For the endgame stuff... it's endgame. Wormwoods will be fine whether they summon vines or not since they have bone armor and crown by then. All the new crafts require health too, wormwood's most difficult stat (obviously not if you have a wortox with you but teamwork can solve literally any problem already so whatever) Obviously I was being disingenuous, I think the skilltrees have been 100% good and I have a hard time understanding why people are upset about new character defining buffs and powers. Honestly I expected people to be upset that wolfgang got so little in comparison bc I always thought he was a fan favorite, but I guess he started off on a higher playing field than woodie and worm Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149185-why-wormwood-as-a-plant-cant-plant-himself-to-heal/#findComment-1648363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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