Wumpair Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 Hello enthusiasts of DST! So after a period of no major updates, we got a new beta called Little Drama... Being an "active" member of the community, I decided to leave some thoughts I have about it. First of all, as I suspected, the update had nothing to do with Maxwell's rework as many speculated; though it wasn't related with Wagstafs shenanigans as I ruminated back in here: (Omg it was way back in August...) This update maybe gives space for one of my craziest theories about DST... But one step at a time... QOL review: The QOL part of the update is quite nice: Giving more turf variance (Another mod that I can uninstall from the workshop as I can now craft ruins turf), more recipes to cook (Always nice to see as an early-game Warly main), more in-game settings, and probably my favorite "Insulation pack no longer burnable", etc. At this point I really can't think of anything Klei could incorporate into their QOL updates, everything just feels optimized already! So, I tip my hat to you Klei! Also, can I just mention that among all the Easter eggs in this update, I love Wilson reference of "I am the very model of a modern Major-General...", put a smile on my face The performance (lore): The heart of the update is the 3-act play that the survivors get to play, while we watch the ominous tale. I will assume that since you are reading this thread, you probably performed that play or have seen some video summarizing it; so I won't get into the minor details of it or discuss it scene by scene. The main reason is because it is quite lineal, if it would be more obscure there might have been a point to talk about... But who could possible be the Doll (Charley)? Or the blacksmith (Winona)? Or the king(Maxwell)? I don't know, maybe it's Charley trying to send a message to the survivors? Just a lucky guess. And despite all the lore-heavy aspect of this update, it doesn't seem to tell us much more than we knew: Charley escapes from Winona, meets Maxwell, Wilson frees Maxwell and so she takes the throne. And there is also that magic mirror... Wait, what? Who/What is the Magic Mirror? At first glance it might seem like a representation of the Codex Umbra, the main source of Maxwell's power - The Doll finds it hidden in a chamber, like Charley does Maxwell's Codex and it gives him power over shadows. But the fact that the King maintains his power without it, and just that it's sentient and talks, makes me think that it is something different... Yep, I believe that the Mirror is the Torch Holder(Wearer? Welder? Sorry, I forgot the name the community gave to it...) Why do I think so? 1. Visual reference - Both look shattered in a corner and the mirror has the yellow sprite of thulecite. 2. Who said that when the mirror says: "The King has stolen my power" the mirror references the "current" King (Maxwell) and not a former one (Cane Holder?)... Could this be the moment when the power is stolen:? After all, the mirror does say in the last act "I was shattered long before I met your King"... Hmm 3. While I don't see a clear explanation on how this ancient royal got turned into a mirror; it would explain why Charley has the torch and was searching in the archives - She clearly is working on the behalf of the Torch Holder to perform some ritual to bring it power. And after all, we believe that the ancients turned to statues and horror shadows due to Nightmare fuel, while their king gets reanimated as a skeleton by the player; would a Queen chained in a mirror be too far stretched? Theory time... If I am right about the Torch Holder being in alliance with Charley, think about what could this mean for the future of the game - It would mean that the main mystery of who is Metheus and Them is over. The final lines of the play are: "the magic mirror knew they have finally found the one who would sent Them free.", this implies that in the end "Them" are the shadows, the old ancient civilization: So here is a possible plot of DST... In a dimension called the Constant, a civilization of sentient bugs struggled with power. A king who controlled Darkness, and a Queen that controlled Light. Eventually, the King stole the power of the Queen, and "we all know what happened next": The civilization was consumed by over-use of nightmare fuel. To save her kingdom, the Queen sacrificed herself using a magic torch, turning herself into a mirror that contained the power of the darkness? And with it, she closed the ancient gate, the source of darkness? Without Darkness or Light to guide them, the civilization started to perish - The residents turned to shadows while their bodies petrified into stone. In hopes of restoring her kingdom, the queen offered Maxwell (at that time William), a human in another dimension, power in exchange for help to set her free, giving him the codex umbra; but Maxwell betrayed her. So, the Queen teamed up with Charley instead, eventually recuperating most power she gave to Maxwell. And now that Charley has the throne, she has just found the magic torch with the aim to free the Queen/fix the mirror. (Taking a second look at this, it does seem kinda far stretched...) So Them aren't the lunar folk, Them are Nightmare Creatures. And just like in the past, when there was a struggle for power between Darkness and Light, so there is one now. Final thoughts I actually don't know how to end this, I just wanted to get this theory out there. It honestly asks more questions than answers, like why is there a war between Light and Dark again? Or what is the role of Wagstaf? But I am not the one who just added a talking mirror into the game; I am just speculating on who it might be. So I'll just end this post by saying again that the QOL stuff is really nice; and while lore is always a good reward, if there was some incentive to do the play within the game, it would be really great Klei (Maybe this piece of the puzzle will come later...) If you read till here about my crazy theory, then good for you, remember to always take it with a pinch of salt, and have a nice rest of the day! 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Atkvin Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 15 hours ago, Wumpair said: And despite all the lore-heavy aspect of this update, it doesn't seem to tell us much more than we knew I dunno, the rest were kinda fluff clarifying Charlie's feelings towards her sister and Maxwell, but it had big revelations, or at least confirmed some suspicions. If we take the story literally, Charlie was killed in the accident bringing her and Maxwell into the constant (perhaps the fact that he never looked for her to help her was why she grew to resent him so much?) - and she was revived by Them after making first contact prior to the disaster, turning into the Grue. Her motivations behind her recent actions were consequently to repay the favor by working to free Them. If I remember correctly though, 'They' has long been used to refer to what we assume to be elder gods of the Constant, with Alter possibly being just one of them. The fuelweaver curses Their name and fights to keep the gate (and Them) sealed, which seems strange if it were referring to its Queen which had sacrificed herself to save their kind. We also see in Axiom Visus Charlie using the torch to see a chained creature within the moon, all but confirming that that is her goal. I can't quite comprehensively see how it'd impact the lore with the ancients, but it'd be interesting if rather than a simpler story of light being the good that casted out the dark - the murals of the ancients instead depicted the King and Queen worshipping two different deities of Them; one being the source of nightmare fuel and the other being Alter... and the latter losing the battle and resulting in the Queen being turned into the original Grue (does that theory even still hold water? I'm tired) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/143643-little-drama-and-the-mirror-theory/#findComment-1601749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milordo Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 29 minutes ago, Atkvin said: We also see in Axiom Visus Charlie using the torch to see a chained creature within the moon, all but confirming that that is her goal. Wait,wait wait waitwait wait wait wait, when we saw a chained creature within the moon? And what Axiom Visus? Did I missed something? 31 minutes ago, Atkvin said: I can't quite comprehensively see how it'd impact the lore with the ancients, but it'd be interesting if rather than a simpler story of light being the good that casted out the dark - the murals of the ancients instead depicted the King and Queen worshipping two different deities of Them; one being the source of nightmare fuel and the other being Alter... and the latter losing the battle and resulting in the Queen being turned into the original Grue (does that theory even still hold water? I'm tired) I agree 100% It's what I wanted and what Dst always seemed to me to transmit Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/143643-little-drama-and-the-mirror-theory/#findComment-1601752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, Milordo said: Wait,wait wait waitwait wait wait wait, when we saw a chained creature within the moon? And what Axiom Visus? Did I missed something? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/143643-little-drama-and-the-mirror-theory/#findComment-1601753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milordo Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said: AAAaaahhhh, okay. Then is not a chained creature. It's literally the Moon, or Alter as we know. I got confused and almost forgot about this teaser Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/143643-little-drama-and-the-mirror-theory/#findComment-1601755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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