Some issues with the moon book

[NoodlemanNed]

None of these are issues I realized myself, but i wanted to post them here just to have them all listed in one spot.

1. Prevents new moons: Summoning a full moon effectively resets the moon cycle, which means a new moon will occur 10 days after the last time this book was read. My main problem here is that it prevents the entire server from progressing onto fuelweaver.

2. Woodie: He needs to deal with his werecurse whenever a wicker player wants him to. Seems a bit unfair eh.

3. Removes the danger of night: With any "overpowered" character, I think they can be excused simply because they only make the game easy if you specifically choose to play them. With this new book every player on the surface is no longer allowed to overcome any challenges associated with darkness, because some random wickerbottom across the map did it for them.

4. Conflicts with the light books: I'm aware you cant summon full moons in the caves, but at least on the surface it seems next to pointless to craft 2 of wicker's new books in favor of this other book they added, feels like a repeat of wx's 2 light modules. (unless you use the light books for new moons or crop light, those are valid i guess)

 

That's about everything I dont like with the rework, a few books seem underwhelming but the general direction klei took is something I really look forward to playing with.
 

[Ohan]

woodie could definitely use some full moon mitigation for lunar storms disregarding the grimoire even. 

i think perhaps everything about the book just needs to be made more expensive. Recipe unlock, ingredients, number of uses and sanity cost.

Its suchhhh a cool book and finally another instance of lunar magic beyond moon caller’s… but it shouldnt be so cheap

Although… one has to ask how is this different from perpetual lunar storm nights?

On multiplayer servers i imagine turning the storms on is more of a group decision instead of an individual’s perk but all the consequences would still be the same or even worse since storms can actually harm ppl’s bases, perhaps even the bases of people who didnt want lunar storms. 

what we definitely should not let happen is that we let hypothetical griefers dictate what game mechanics r added to the game. Griefers are gonna grief and they dont need to force full moons to do it lol.. a torch will suffice. 

i dont really agree with 4. though. Their only overlap is light aside from that both the lux books and the grimoire have a ton of other stuff going for them as well. Crop growing in the dark in both shards like u mentioned and not forcing a full moon on group servers is already a huge distinction and reason for both to exist. And the lux book is cheaper and accessible earlier too.

The distinction will only be made more interesting when they make the grimoire more expensive as im sure they will. 

[NoodlemanNed]

7 minutes ago, Ohan said:

Although… one has to ask how is this different from perpetual lunar storm nights?

I think the main thing with moonstorms is that they require so much setup that in almost every case they only occur within a semi organized group of players. You cant realistically have a random person show up on a server and start moonstorms 3 days later, but with wicker book you can.

 

9 minutes ago, Ohan said:

even worse since storms can actually harm ppl’s bases

ive heard this complaint a lot but they dont really harm much at all. I think the special lightning might be able to hit walls, but that doesnt happen very often so simply repairing any random damage is extremely easy. Only other issue I see is the moongleams chipping away at any mobs stored at a base.

13 minutes ago, Ohan said:

Griefers are gonna grief and they dont need to force full moons to do it lol.. a torch will suffice. 

Well the problem in this context is that lighting chests on fire is obviously griefing and people will get banned without a second thought. With full moons you can mess up people who want to do shadow pieces, but because youre benefiting other people its really difficult to distinguish griefing from people trying to use the book to help.

[GelatinousCube]

3 minutes ago, NoodlemanNed said:

Ive heard this complaint a lot but they dont really harm much at all. I think the special lightning might be able to hit walls, but that doesnt happen very often so simply repairing any random damage is extremely easy. Only other issue I see is the moongleams chipping away at any mobs stored at a base.

Depends on what you have set up and what you consider harm....

If you have plenty of Mob pens it can be pretty devastating destroying walls and letting them out or even just straight up killing them.

Catcoons are not very easy at all to relocate as you cannot simply hire/bribe them to follow you as they will teleport out of pens if you do this. You have to completely relocate them via the Telelocator staff which also then stops their corresponding Den from spawning another Catcoon ever again. They're fragile and can die quite easily.

Voat Golt pens being destroyed/opened by the moonstorm can be pretty devastating as well and if they get charged by Moongleams they will run wild and destroy other pens/mobs as well. 

So long as you are fast and efficient and move the moonstorm away from an area it can cause damage to it is not that bad but if for whatever reason you can't move it quickly it can certainly do damage which is extremely painful to undo.

[Mysterious box]

22 minutes ago, Ohan said:

Although… one has to ask how is this different from perpetual lunar storm nights?

For me personally while mechanically similar storms take a lot more effort and feel like something you've earned through trials against the world while Wickerbottom's version feels like she's the one sitting on the nightmare throne makes her seem far more powerful than Wagstaff, Charlie, or even the constant itself.

[GelatinousCube]

As I've seen posted on other threads you can also abuse the book with the Moon Pedastal thingo farming insane amounts of pig skin/meat and moon rock. 

Even outside of the Moon Pedastal you can make crazy Pig Farms with this book generating a ton of meat every single night.

I too love the theme and mechanic of this book but it is seriously insanely strong.