Anyone else noticed this?

[misotoma]

So here I have insulated tiles made out of Insulation. As we all know it's 0.00 Thermal Conductivity. And as you can see in the image we are surrounded by vacuum so nothing can exchange temperature with these tiles.

Here I add liquid Oxygen 

And somehow.. it exchanges temperature like if it were a normal tile... and this took about 1/4 of a cycle to drop more than 10 degrees. Liquid oxygen started state changing like crazy.

Anyone else experienced this?

I forgot to add Liquid Hydrogen in Metal Tiles. As soon as I took out the liquid hydrogen the metal tiles started warming up... in a vacuumed environment??
Something is off or is it just me, idk. If anyone else has the same experience let me know. Thanks..

[LadenSwallow]

I believe this mechanic is referred to as 'flaking'. Usually used to extract tungsten from abyssalite by running a hot gas by natural tiles of abyssalite, this same principle applies to really cold things also (LOX and LH).

https://oxygennotincluded.fandom.com/wiki/Flaking

What you would probably prefer to do, is to have an inner layer of metal tiles which are pre-cooled to the temperature of the desired substance, then the insulation layer surrounding that layer of tiles. Insulation tiles could be avoided if you can create a layer of vacuum instead.

[misotoma]

Thanks for the reply. It makes sense now that you explain it like that… yet it still is puzzling that in base game I could just chill these liquids inside ceramic tiles and it wouldn’t go crazy like that. I guess having radiant pipes cooling the liquids constantly is what keeps it from flaking. I’ll check that out. But you would think… this wouldn’t be an issue. It’s insulation. The rarest resource in the game lol. 

[Gurgel]

I think this is happening too fast. Can you try a cross-check with Ceramic in the same setting? Maybe there is a bug for insulation and nobody found it yet because nobody used it in that way.

Insulation is not 0.0 BTW. just low enough to not show up after rounding. Same for Abyssalite.

[misotoma]

14 hours ago, Gurgel said:

with Ceramic in the same setting?

So here we have insulated tiles of both Ceramic and Insulation. To be clear, I Fill these enclosed spaces with 1kg per tile of Liquid Oxygen so it really shouldn't be causing pressure damages or anything like that. If it were 1kg per tile of water we all know absolutely nothing would happen.

And the same thing happened this time again only that obviously Ceramic tiles plummeted in temperature much faster. This time I started a new map just to be safe.. the temperature changes much faster without the lag lol. It might be flaking but this is probably either a bug or something beyond flaking. Insulated tile made of Insulation shouldn't change temperature THIS fast. Took less than a quarter cycle.

By the way, tiles always start about 68F when built. The temperature change is drastic in less than 200 seconds game time.

[troyandabed]

I've seen the same behavior in the DLC, which was very different from base game.  Very rapid phase transition and energy transfer between insulated tiles and both oxygen and hydrogen in their liquid forms.  The strangest part is that it seemed to focus and spread from one tile to the next - exchanging a huge amount of energy on one tile until it hit some threshold and completely stop on that tile and begin again on another tile until all the tiles exposed to the liquid were at that threshold point. It was really bizarre, but didn't cause any problems long term.

[misotoma]

8 minutes ago, troyandabed said:

It was really bizarre, but didn't cause any problems long term.

Yeah it's not a big deal but I'm just showcasing that this is happening and if it shouldn't be happening well I hope Klei reads this forum post lol

Also yeah there are ways to go about making Liquid O2/H but I just wanted to flex and build a HUGE tank of Liquid Oxygen, but after this experience... I will avoid doing that lol

[Gurgel]

I have the same thing in my LOX tank (Igneous Rock insulated tiles). If this just happens when the insulated tile is warm enough to vaporize the liquid (i.e. "flaking" as far as I understand it), it will stop soon after and should be non-problematic overall. The insulated tiles will still insulate well towards the outside of that LOX container.