fishoutofwater Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 I'm too lazy and too dumb to do the math, I just try build something and see if it worked, eventually I come up with this. plumbing overlay ventilation overlay automation overlay some explanation: I use this leaky oil fissure. 1. liquid shut-off to liquid valve (set to 1000g) 2. Aquatuner (thermium), 2 thermo-sensors (for AT (set to below 990C) this to prevent AT overheating, for liquid shut-off (in point 1) set to above 550C this to ensure crude oil in radiant pipes to be boiled up to sour gas, a temp-shift plates, 3 tiles of window tiles, 3 tiles of radiant pipes 3. buffer tank for AT output (200kg of super-coolant) 4. buffer tank for AT input 5. a liquid vent, 2 gas pump (thermium) 6. cooling chamber; liquid pipe set to above -165C, if coolant is below -165C it will be send back to the chamber. 7. methane evaporator + fart storage, one thermo-sensor set below 100C to NOT to steel door, don't mind the other one. additional notes: ceramic for insulated tiles and pipes, diamond for window tiles and temp-shift plates, gold for radiant pipes, also vacuum for the surrounding area. the idea is when everything is built, AT will cool super-coolant and the chamber therefore produce heat needed to boil crude oil to sour gas then the AT will be cooled to by the crude oil to then provide cooling to cooled the sour gas to fart, it a slow process, but still produce excess power in form of fart. the magic is I think it can produce more if I provide heat-sink for the AT, like I could pump crude oil from somewhere with another valve, another set of temp-shift plates+window tiles+radiant pipes. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102070-producing-fart-from-leaky-oil-fissure/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawnmower Man Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Why the double gas pumps for < 500 g/s? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102070-producing-fart-from-leaky-oil-fissure/#findComment-1146367 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenIsAGeek Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 17 minutes ago, Lawnmower Man said: Why the double gas pumps for < 500 g/s? His super-heated petroleum is entering the chamber and vaporizing to sour gas at 1000g/s. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102070-producing-fart-from-leaky-oil-fissure/#findComment-1146374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawnmower Man Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 2 hours ago, KittenIsAGeek said: His super-heated petroleum is entering the chamber and vaporizing to sour gas at 1000g/s. It may do that in bursts, but his average must be < 318 g/s. And the NatGas flow should be closer to 200 g/s. The fact that he's running 3 generators with no reservoir or external output for the natgas confirms that he's under 270 g/s, or his gas would be backing up, regardless of how many pumps he had. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102070-producing-fart-from-leaky-oil-fissure/#findComment-1146414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitroturtle Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 41 minutes ago, Lawnmower Man said: It may do that in bursts, but his average must be < 318 g/s. And the NatGas flow should be closer to 200 g/s. The fact that he's running 3 generators with no reservoir or external output for the natgas confirms that he's under 270 g/s, or his gas would be backing up, regardless of how many pumps he had. The gas shouldn't back up when it's being added to the evap room as a liquid. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102070-producing-fart-from-leaky-oil-fissure/#findComment-1146426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawnmower Man Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 41 minutes ago, Nitroturtle said: The gas shouldn't back up when it's being added to the evap room as a liquid. I mean, the gas line going to the generators would be full and mostly blocked. But also that the gas concentration in the room would be steadily increasing. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102070-producing-fart-from-leaky-oil-fissure/#findComment-1146443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitroturtle Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 The gas lines look full and nothing in the shots shows the room pressure. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102070-producing-fart-from-leaky-oil-fissure/#findComment-1146446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishoutofwater Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 4 hours ago, Lawnmower Man said: It may do that in bursts, but his average must be < 318 g/s. And the NatGas flow should be closer to 200 g/s. The fact that he's running 3 generators with no reservoir or external output for the natgas confirms that he's under 270 g/s, or his gas would be backing up, regardless of how many pumps he had. 2 pumps in sour gas storage is because I thought it will be faster to send the gas to cooling chamber, but now that you mention it, I agree it is not necessary to put 2 pump because AT can't work full time due to leaky oil fissure can't provide enough crude oil to balance the heat output from AT. the 3 generators is not final, I just want to show that it self sustainable and maybe can produce more, that's why I put 2 pumps, just in case. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102070-producing-fart-from-leaky-oil-fissure/#findComment-1146523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawnmower Man Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 It looks like you vent the sour gas into its own room, then pump out of that room to the condensation chamber. Any reason you can't just vent the sour gas directly into the freeze room and save yourself the pumping losses? Liquid pumping losses are minimal, but gas is pretty steep. Around 4% for natgas, and even more for sour gas. Also, you can avoid the liquid pump in the condenser room by using mechanical separation of sour from nat gas. The trick is to make a 1 tile channel at the bottom of the room which flows over to the nat gas pumping chamber. In the channel put a hydro sensor and next to it put a flat door. When the hydro sensor registers liquid [methane], it opens the door, allowing it to flow into the next room (but no sour gas, because it's a 1m channel). You just need to make sure that the nat gas chamber is just warm enough to evap the methane without wrecking the condenser room. That should save you some pumps and rooms. If you run your cold natgas through the sour gas room in radiant pipes, you'll have a cheap heat exchanger which will reduce the cooling cost of the sour gas. What is the net power for this setup? My guess is 1.6-1.8 kW draw, 1.8 kW generated, for nearly break-even. That's some expensive CO2/pwater. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102070-producing-fart-from-leaky-oil-fissure/#findComment-1146542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishoutofwater Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 8 minutes ago, Lawnmower Man said: It looks like you vent the sour gas into its own room, then pump out of that room to the condensation chamber. Any reason you can't just vent the sour gas directly into the freeze room and save yourself the pumping losses? Liquid pumping losses are minimal, but gas is pretty steep. Around 4% for natgas, and even more for sour gas. Also, you can avoid the liquid pump in the condenser room by using mechanical separation of sour from nat gas. The trick is to make a 1 tile channel at the bottom of the room which flows over to the nat gas pumping chamber. In the channel put a hydro sensor and next to it put a flat door. When the hydro sensor registers liquid [methane], it opens the door, allowing it to flow into the next room (but no sour gas, because it's a 1m channel). You just need to make sure that the nat gas chamber is just warm enough to evap the methane without wrecking the condenser room. That should save you some pumps and rooms. because the AT can't function full time as I stated above and also I need the sour gas room storage to capture the cold from methane that produce by condenser room. my purpose is to have control over the temperature of the nat gas and also to use their coldness to cool the sour gas before entering the condenser room. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102070-producing-fart-from-leaky-oil-fissure/#findComment-1146550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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