MousesDonkey Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 I was curious what people thought about the manual vs the mechanized airlocks. I have been playing around for a little while, but honestly I don't really use the mechanized airlocks because if you power them then that's more drain on your circuits, and if you don't then they say they just revert to being the same as manual airlocks. I was wondering if I was missing some benefit to using the mechanized over the manual, either powered or unpowered. Also, feel free to share your airlock design for keeping gasses and liquids in or out, I'm sure many of us are always looking for ways to improve that we may not have thought of on our own. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77371-comparing-airlocks/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerostriker Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Mechanized airlocks open and close a lot faster compared to manuals (even without power). Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77371-comparing-airlocks/#findComment-897634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisWhit Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 I like my passive airlocks. It's pretty much like the p or s-trap on a kitchen sink. As to the manual vs mechanized airlocks, the mechanized airlocks don't use power except when they're opening/closing. See the images below, click on the airlock and under the Energy tab the bold(ed?) airlock is the one selected and it's using 0 W (yes it's unpaused). The second is when it's open. The benefit is that they open/close faster than the manual airlocks, and I would guess that they let less gas escape, haven't really tested that though. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77371-comparing-airlocks/#findComment-897675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MousesDonkey Posted April 6, 2017 Author Share Posted April 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, ChrisWhit said: the mechanized airlocks don't use power except when they're opening/closing. But don't they still show up on the circuit's the overall wattage, possibly leading to circuits breaking? It just doesn't seem to be worth it yet since I already have to have three or four circuits around my base to handle what I seem to need. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77371-comparing-airlocks/#findComment-897705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoMuffins Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 11 minutes ago, MousesDonkey said: But don't they still show up on the circuit's the overall wattage, possibly leading to circuits breaking? It just doesn't seem to be worth it yet since I already have to have three or four circuits around my base to handle what I seem to need. They do. But your wires don't break unless you are running a rather stressed network or all of your mechanized doors somehow all open and closed at the same time to tip the load over the limit. This seems rather unlikely. If you are that careful, build a separate network only for doors. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77371-comparing-airlocks/#findComment-897720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifegrow Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 I generally only use mechanised - never bother with the manual ones as they're so slow. The amount of time you save (especially if you have multiple built in a line, say 3 or 4) is huge. I've seen a lot of people using liquid air locks, however I'm not organised enough to make sure my dupes don't steal the water for some random reason Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77371-comparing-airlocks/#findComment-897870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left4twenty Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 5 hours ago, MousesDonkey said: But don't they still show up on the circuit's the overall wattage, possibly leading to circuits breaking? It just doesn't seem to be worth it yet since I already have to have three or four circuits around my base to handle what I seem to need. I've found that if it's something that switches on/off quickly that overloads your circuitry, the circuit may simply enter the "strain" state, rather than overload. I have a cicuit that was at over 1000W on a regular wire, with a water pump that went had an on/off stutter to an electrolyzer. I saw* the "strain" status at least once before switching around my circuits, but never incurred damage to any wires. Maybe I was just lucky, and I've never had a powered door as the overload. As well some of the circuit draw was the batteries, and im not sure how the impact of them on the cicuit was Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77371-comparing-airlocks/#findComment-898174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfDeathlyD Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 I personally only use the mechanized airlocks to kill duplicants who have high stress levels when im no where near meeting their expectations (Damn you 8+ learning!!) Otherwise i just use manual ones separated by 5 tiles so the air/liquid cant escape... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77371-comparing-airlocks/#findComment-898504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
addyz0r Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 They are faster, even when not connected. The main power goes to the interface on the door. Just don't connect them and you benitfit from faster doors. I only use them now, unless it's to seal off a place, e.g a door that's always locked, for example to a hatch farm where I only need to go in to gather coal now and then. Cheers. Hope this helps Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77371-comparing-airlocks/#findComment-898550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vomiter For Water Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Circuts can temporary overload. Only a sustained load over 100w will break cables. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77371-comparing-airlocks/#findComment-898595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duvinn Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 I use mechanized airlocks, but I don't connect them to my power grid. If I have to run wire through them I just use the wire bridge to skip over. Just can't set permissions when it's not powered. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77371-comparing-airlocks/#findComment-905384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Templar Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Airlocks will only consume energy when used, witch is hardly an issue. on the other side you can use them without powering them and they are still faster then a manual airlock! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77371-comparing-airlocks/#findComment-905389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
saulysw Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 I believe that unpowered airlocks should be as slow as a manual airlock, and the fact that it isn't at the moment is considered a bug. If I was the devs, I'd make them even slower than a manual airlock ... but perhaps that's just the evil in me. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77371-comparing-airlocks/#findComment-905714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifegrow Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Why is it a bug? They cost a fortune compared to normal ones Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77371-comparing-airlocks/#findComment-906380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PVD Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 On 12.04.2017 at 0:49 AM, Last Templar said: Airlocks will only consume energy when used, witch is hardly an issue. on the other side you can use them without powering them and they are still faster then a manual airlock! Beware of that. On 07.04.2017 at 2:28 AM, Lifegrow said: I've seen a lot of people using liquid air locks, however I'm not organised enough to make sure my dupes don't steal the water for some random reason Have you tried gas airlock? But, it does not allow to create vacuum, and if you a going to use hydrogen in one of the rooms, then there will be no heat insulation (sure, unless you will have low density). Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77371-comparing-airlocks/#findComment-907154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifegrow Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Hah as cool as this is, it makes me sad that I don't have the patience to do this sort of thing in a real play through Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/77371-comparing-airlocks/#findComment-907214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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