I think they should delay the skill tree update and completely rethink it.

[Random Guy000]

9 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

In exchange you get a massive increase in dps and utility and a variety of strategies not possible on other characters

That's supposed to be bad?

9 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Most importantly the clones only use half durability when using the equipment you give them

Yeah, while doing half the damage lmao. And no, we're not getting 4 celestial crowns and 4 bright shade staves to kill 2 deerclopses in 5 seconds

Edited Tuesday at 01:21 PM by Random Guy000

[EsmeWatchesBird]

4 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Where does the 10x resources come from?

With a player and 6 chassis thats already ~7x resources
Since they can't re-equip weapons they mostly have to use ones that don't break like Hambat, and they use just as much armor durability as a player(more since they are still bad at dodging). They also need just as much upkeep of hunger and similar enough in sanity. They also all need their own circuits.
If we further take into account how they aren't nearly as good at dodging attacks as the player, that puts us over the player's resources used in armor and healing per chassis. Getting it closer to 9 or 10 times. Its a rough estimate but not a very inaccurate one.

[Mysterious box]

9 minutes ago, Fishgirl said:

you're acting like chassis has only 2 uses. Not including the like 5 other stuff warm standby accomplishes, chassies are:

I'm not though it's what I meant by full configs and even then it's not like you have to use them all at the same time.

 

10 minutes ago, Fishgirl said:

This genuinely circles back to again to not applying gameplay, context, or opportunity cost and instead looking at plain numbers. Like esme said, you need tons of resources to accomplish high damage, and the minions can still be prone to dying. Having 5 or 6 chassises to use would not harm any balance, but rather slightly free the player to use them to their full potential. Some can go to teleports, some can go to loadouts, and some can go to harvesting or minions! this isn't a complicated concept, we just have too much stuff to do with so little.

This just translates to not needing to make a choice which is something Wx is supposed to be about rather than have the best of all worlds. If you want one or the other that's completely fine but it should be a choice you make not something you don't really need to think about due to having a lot of excess.

[Fishgirl]

1 minute ago, Mysterious box said:

This just translates to not needing to make a choice which is something Wx is supposed to be about rather than have the best of all worlds. If you want one or the other that's completely fine but it should be a choice you make not something you don't really need to think about due to having a lot of excess.

it's really not an excess though? im literally talking two, maybe three. that's 2 extra places you might teleport to. and again you gotta kit them all with circuits and all. you're not getting the best of all worlds, it just feels slightly better. i like the decision making, but literally two more to play around with would be Fine

[Mysterious box]

9 minutes ago, EsmeWatchesBird said:

With a player and 6 chassis thats already ~7x resources
Since they can't re-equip weapons they mostly have to use ones that don't break like Hambat, and they use just as much armor durability as a player(more since they are still bad at dodging). They also need just as much upkeep of hunger and similar enough in sanity. They also all need their own circuits.
If we further take into account how they aren't nearly as good at dodging attacks as the player, that puts us over the player's resources used in armor and healing per chassis. Getting it closer to 9 or 10 times. Its a rough estimate but not a very inaccurate one.

There are circuits that help with managing stats which cut down the resource cost and while they aren't as good at dodging they're still decent enough at it and can use shocks to further lower the damage they would take. In terms of resources used it comes down to how you build them for the task you want them to do in the same way you can turn inactive bodies into stations for light or cooling for example you can tinker with circuits for if you are using them for the day to day or a more intense fights and in those more intense fights having more sources of damage and proper management means the fight will often end sooner costing less resources overall. Simply give it more time and try more configs.

17 minutes ago, Random Guy000 said:

That's supposed to be bad?

No?

 

17 minutes ago, Random Guy000 said:

Yeah, while doing half the damage lmao. And no, we're not getting 4 celestial crowns and 4 bright shade staves to kill 2 deerclopses in 5 seconds

Might sound surprising but these have uses beyond unrealistic for the average person YouTuber strats. Take a step back and think about it 4 wxs attacking at 50% is 2x damage even without the cheese but more than that it's 4 additional sources over say 1 person with the damage boost now I guess this is debatable but I find 2 Wilsons better than 1 Wolfgang. I feel like the take at least on the lunar side of things is that since you gotta work for it this isn't worth it and needs to be stronger but I just don't see it especially considering these guys are pretty smart for the most part. Though they could still use a bit of tweaking a.i. wise.

Idk perhaps I just have a different sense of values on this one but I just see the chassis both in and outside of the lunar branch as such a interesting and powerful tool as is even if I'm not a fan of them being usable as a revival method. The payout for the work involved seems justified to me.

[Deurus]

17 hours ago, reddocc said:

I will never understand the complains. With this skill tree Wx78 can live off doing practically nothing and do everything at the same time he's such a comfortable and versatile character to play I would say he's in the same level as Wortox if not higher.

Wx got infinite, health sanity, seasons management, mobility, resource gathering and hunger(almost infinitely). Wx78 Is objectively better than any survivor. Yet is not enough.

I would argue that He's almost at the same level as Maxwell because let's be honest they already surpassed Wanda.

Powerful Doesn't = Fun, 

[reddocc]

1 minute ago, Deurus said:

Powerful Doesn't = Fun, 

If only Wx78 had tools to make their gameplay variated and fun.

[Fishgirl]

11 minutes ago, reddocc said:

If only Wx78 had tools to make their gameplay variated and fun.

i know, right! too bad klei thought alot of circuits were stinky and decided to give them lackluster effects!

[doritosdamafia]

14 minutes ago, reddocc said:

If only Wx78 had tools to make their gameplay variated and fun.

the closest we got was the spin circuit