spin-cycle's spin speed should be increased, at least for chopping

[fabin]

this is going to be a bit rambly, so sorry if my post feels all over the place

after playing around with it for a while, for real, in a playthrough, i found that using the spin-cycle circuit for chopping (it's main purpose) kind of sucks, especially without the gamma tinkering skill. it was nice being able to chop through clumps of trees, but the dizzyness mechanic made it a bit insufferable, since i'd need to take forced breaks when chopping, and since i didn't have the gamma tinker skills specced into, i could chop even less before i became dizzy

so i got to testing! i increased the spin speed for the buffed spin-cycle circuit, by around 20% (the animation was 9 frames, i decreased it to 7), of course, bigger/more number = brain happier, but it also just better to use in chopping. i've recorded a few videos with some scenarios, to see how much of a difference changing the spin speed would make

(i'll be referring to the edited spin-cycle circuit as the "modded" one)

chopping

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1 circuit (gamma tinkering 2)

 

1 circuit (modded)

 

woodie, for comparison (using action queue)

TL;DW for videos above: woodie finished chopping 7 random trees in ~11 seconds, normal spin-cycle in ~20 seconds, and modded spin-cycle in ~22 seconds

but also, i've tested its combat abilities. in my testing, hordes of spiders were dealt with pretty good, but single target damage was only just a bit over wigfrid's level of power, if you don't count using the maul. i've also tested "maximum potential" (not really, just using end-game items) scenarios to see how they fare against the heavy hitting guys, as in, direct damage (so excluding willow, winona, wurt, maxwell)

killing deerclops

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max level maul, modded spin-cycle

 

max level maul, wigfrid

 

max level maul, wolfgang (all dps skills)

TL;DW for videos above: wx finished killing deerclops in ~19 seconds, wigfrid in ~22 and wolfgang in ~15 seconds

tanking spider den

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normal spin-cycle

 

modded spin-cycle

 

morning star and 3 electrification circuits

 

TL;DW for videos above: normal spin-cycle finished killing all spiders in ~26 seconds, buffed spin-cycle in ~15 seconds, and morning star in ~19 seconds

in short, increasing the attack speed makes WX a horde-obliteraing machine, and just above average chopping guy. increasing the spin speed may be a no go, but i hope at least the the spin-cycle circuit can be buffed at least for chopping, because it's kind of lacking

Edited April 8 by fabin

[-Nick-]

I would love a chop speed buff! I think the main thing is the aoe chop so you can cut multiple tree's down at once. Though even with that, it's still a little slow.

[Evelo]

A potential solution, possibly just spitballing, could be WX doesn't get dizzy unless they are hit by something. That way they can still obliterate in combat, while not slowing down vs trees. Granted I think tree chopping in clusters would be much better than Woodie, unless Woodie has the Beaver Tail Slam in which case he reigns supreme, as he should.

[lovegrooove]

2 hours ago, -Nick- said:

I would love a chop speed buff! I think the main thing is the aoe chop so you can cut multiple tree's down at once. Though even with that, it's still a little slow.

Is it?

As far as I know, you can cut up to 6 trees at once.

If you're using a moonglass axe, t3 trees take 6 chops to take down. 

Those 6 chops take ~2.2 seconds to execute with an upgraded spin-cycle circuit. 

Without the circuit one tree takes ~3 seconds to chop, while holding spacebar.

That's over 800% of the original speed, not accounting for walking to other trees before chopping. 

 

If you're using a normal axe you get ~7.3 seconds without, and ~5.3 seconds with the circuit, which is also still over 800% of the starting speed. 

[doritosdamafia]

i have said something similar in other topic, but with a view of someone that want to chop more isolated trees and how it feels more a down grade in this situation

[reddocc]

guys you're supposed to spin in short burst no longer than 8 seconds , if you stop spinning before you get dizzy you don't build up "dizziness weakness" as I like to call it 

[ZeRoboButler]

7 hours ago, Evelo said:

A potential solution, possibly just spitballing, could be WX doesn't get dizzy unless they are hit by something. That way they can still obliterate in combat, while not slowing down vs trees. Granted I think tree chopping in clusters would be much better than Woodie, unless Woodie has the Beaver Tail Slam in which case he reigns supreme, as he should.

Best idea I've seen in a while, genuinely fantastic.