Right now Wx-78 feels boring?

[Cuernito.]

I have to say that the nerfs were not that big and people just exaggerated. But true be told i played and tested this and i feel the robot is right now really boring, i mean he cant specialice in anything at all, he can't be great at any task, he is slowly become a jack of all trades... wait isnt he supposed to be like that? haha. sorry all this is funny. Why people want the robot to be super strong? is that neccesary? i mean getting biodata is easy, upgrading is easy and cheap, you dont need fancy materials to get strong upgrades, so i dont understand the fuss, he can become really good from early game to mid game, its true that late game still lacks some but im sure klei still gonna add more circuits for that so chill a little, theres still time in this beta.

[aidancode]

Every skill tree beta there's always a few people who said that the beta update that affected 1-3 characters ruined the entire game for them.

[whiteking]

If wx78 doesn't have enough strength, I'd rather play Potato Man. He doesn't have any flashy abilities, only a simple 2x attack power

[cyjs]

In reality, after the third round of nerfs, the buffs to the circuit are not much different from the old playstyle. Taking a character from mediocre to another kind of mediocre—this kind of update is completely meaningless.

[Cuernito.]

1 hour ago, cyjs said:

In reality, after the third round of nerfs, the buffs to the circuit are not much different from the old playstyle. Taking a character from mediocre to another kind of mediocre—this kind of update is completely meaningless.

But didnt the robot got more space for combining circuits with more freedom? he got a big buff without using the skill tree so i think its fine, but if you think they are too severe maybe making a poll instead of making rage post could be better, just an idea.

Edited April 4 by Cuernito.

[cyjs]

2 hours ago, Cuernito. said:

But didnt the robot got more space for combining circuits with more freedom? he got a big buff without using the skill tree so i think its fine, but if you think they are too severe maybe making a poll instead of making rage post could be better, just an idea.

Haha, so you think I'm angry? I'm just sharing my opinion on how to make the game's updates better, while you're telling me 'put on this hat' just to invalidate my opinion.

 

[Naifxoxo]

9 hours ago, Cuernito. said:

I have to say that the nerfs were not that big and people just exaggerated. But true be told i played and tested this and i feel the robot is right now really boring, i mean he cant specialice in anything at all, he can't be great at any task, he is slowly become a jack of all trades... wait isnt he supposed to be like that? haha. sorry all this is funny. Why people want the robot to be super strong? is that neccesary? i mean getting biodata is easy, upgrading is easy and cheap, you dont need fancy materials to get strong upgrades, so i dont understand the fuss, he can become really good from early game to mid game, its true that late game still lacks some but im sure klei still gonna add more circuits for that so chill a little, theres still time in this beta.

meanwhile wolfgang has 2x dmg for free

 

klei : how dare u try to play any other characters? go back to wolfgang

[shaurun]

To be honest my mind is so confused about WX. I don't feel nerfs (cause I'm not a true WX player after DS), but I don't feel him very interesting too.

I thought switching bodies would be fun but the fact is, you have to find these red gems, then you also want a clockwork army, you also want to travel to Pearl if you want to have army of pigs, you have to babysit desert to amass voltgoats, aaaand ruins... Ah and Klaus for possible easy beanbooster. So he has so many things in Todo that it becomes overwhelming and after playing till summer I haven't finished half of planned tasks (maybe because I was also gaining skill points naturally instead of via console). 

With this many tasks I can't tell he's OP.

But I'm very dissatisfied with gamma circuits. This whirlwind attack suits Wolfgang more as to me, it's like "give it to any character, why robot only?". Block thing looks silly. Fear... Umm, okay for moonstone event but what else I wonder. 

 

To me playing was kinda interesting, but at the same time doesn't feel like I have some robot play style. Why drones aren't part of let's say, Winona kit?.. these thoughts still confuse me. WX became genius about robots tech all of a sudden, these tools are funny but all in all why specific to him? 

Anyway I think I would never call him OP because he's quite slow if you'd like to make all setups, he's probably more slow than Wurt, and at the same time more interesting cause he has to spread his setup across all the world. And I probably won't play as him in public servers because of the same reasons: he's slow to reach full potential, egoistic, and people will definitely grief his chassis.

I don't feel nerfs either, to me he with nerfs and without nerfs is quite same.

[Kvetevk]

So Klei nerfed only stat bonuses + electric circtuit damage and everyone is saying that he is not fun to play as.
The gamma circuits were just released and they will be changed in the close future.
Wx78 being able to choose his stats up to +300 (without any skills) and still have the option for other utility, making him much better than before.

Could anyone tell me what makes wx78 not fun to play as? (without saying that he needs 2x damage for whatever reason)

[Jakepeng99]

I find him really fun and really strong. I played him before the skilltree, and the skilltree just fixed his design flaws and made him way more interesting.

I dont get why every person wants every character to be like Wolfgang? WX is very strong, why do we have to keep trying to top the strongest characters? I dont even like Wolfgang much, i just sometimes switch to him as he is just a crutch for boss battles and doesnt do too much else.

21 minutes ago, Kvetevk said:

So Klei nerfed only stat bonuses + electric circtuit damage and everyone is saying that he is not fun to play as.
The gamma circuits were just released and they will be changed in the close future.
Wx78 being able to choose his stats up to +300 (without any skills) and still have the option for other utility, making him much better than before.

Could anyone tell me what makes wx78 not fun to play as? (without saying that he needs 2x damage for whatever reason)

I feel like everyone is just sad just at the fact he got nerfed and nothing else. They dont care what the nerfs are, how big they are, or how strong wx still is, they just saw 5 lines of minor to moderate nerfs in a row and decided that meant WX was dead and the worst character in the game. Something happened with woodie where they nerfed the moose damage, though this is way more minor. I see people complaining how WX gets nerfed but characters like Wurt and Wanda dont. Seems sorta petty to argue this way, we will just wait until Wanda's skilltree. Nobody saw Wurt as Op at first unti the dust settled so its not Klei's fault. Same as Wanda, took awhile for people to see her true strength. I imagine Klei prefers to make changes in character updates and not just drop a random Wanda nerf on a random Thursday all isolated.

Normally when i look at the ds discord its just people saying how wx was murdered or something,  the electric circuit and hunger nerfs was a little too much but i wonder how Klei will go about it since they said they expected it to be like this. Customer is always right and everyone has their opinions, but this case i feel like the customer should be left with the product for awhile and aim to be less defensive by treating these nerfs like an attack, and look at the nerfs more logically.

 

Edited April 4 by Jakepeng99

[ZeRoboButler]

If Wx wasn't something you were interested in before, where you build your own character and now Wx does it better now then before...

I will be honest I am at a loss for what really needs to be done here for people who are unhappy a the moment. 

The stat changes are pretty fair, and all the stuff Wx could do before, Wx only does better now and that is a fact. (kinda odd with the electrical one though)

You can easily have 200 hp 200 sanity and 200/250 health with 3 circuits, and this does not include all the other bonus effects the circuits receive.

I think the reality is that klei started with the numbers too high rather then too low, and because of that people are hyper fixated on what they lost, it's like a social experiment with perceived loss and perceived gain. The reality is this is a net gain/positive, you can choose your stats, your passives and actives and change them easier than before. 

What are we hoping for here? I ask with a mix of sincerity and genuine interest in where y'all are coming from. 

 

[Cruvimaster]

I'm not in a position to comment on WX, as I haven't even tested it and have no interest in playing it. The only observation I've made is that the devs started the beta with super-powerful characters and then adjusted them. I think it would be better to start the beta version with weaker characters and improve them gradually. The psychological effect on the community would certainly be different.

[Naifxoxo]

3 hours ago, Kvetevk said:

So Klei nerfed only stat bonuses + electric circtuit damage and everyone is saying that he is not fun to play as.
The gamma circuits were just released and they will be changed in the close future.
Wx78 being able to choose his stats up to +300 (without any skills) and still have the option for other utility, making him much better than before.

Could anyone tell me what makes wx78 not fun to play as? (without saying that he needs 2x damage for whatever reason)

nerfing wx and leaving wolfscam is just weird , if u gonna start acting like u know how to fix and balance the game at least start with the most broken and boring characters , wolfscam and wortox etc , 

 

its lame because the nerfs tells u that it came from someone who dosnt even play the game and has no experience at all, just lowring some random numbers thinking they balancing.

 

if we gonna focus on balancing , ( idk why we even focusing so hard on balancing on a +10 years old game that is coop not even pvp , if it was a pvp game then i agree but its coop , NOT EVEN PVP what is this

[Reiko24]

3 hours ago, shaurun said:

"give it to any character, why robot only?".

Biological inner ear would make them lose balance and fall due to dizziness. Our soulless automaton does not have such weakness.

[shaurun]

3 minutes ago, Reiko24 said:

Biological inner ear would make them lose balance and fall due to dizziness. Our soulless automaton does not have such weakness.

Well if that's the explanation I take it.

[Kvetevk]

42 minutes ago, Naifxoxo said:

nerfing wx and leaving wolfscam is just weird , if u gonna start acting like u know how to fix and balance the game at least start with the most broken and boring characters , wolfscam and wortox etc ,

Wolfgangs whole mechanic is 2x damage, it's true that his skill tree was made just to make him better with planar weapons, but he doesn't have anything else than damage. On the other hand, wx78 have everything except damage, even better stats than Wolfgang.

45 minutes ago, Naifxoxo said:

its lame because the nerfs tells u that it came from someone who dosnt even play the game and has no experience at all, just lowring some random numbers thinking they balancing.

I think that the nerfs are actually good, having huge amount of health + 50% more speed and with the right skills also 50% damage resistance, how else would u nerf a tank with the speed of sound without lowering the numbers. I have over 2.5k hours on DST and I actually like the nerfs.

51 minutes ago, Naifxoxo said:

if we gonna focus on balancing , ( idk why we even focusing so hard on balancing on a +10 years old game that is coop not even pvp , if it was a pvp game then i agree but its coop , NOT EVEN PVP what is this

So you would have a reason to play other survivors? If wx78 didn't get nerfed, he would be most picked character, also pvp can be enabled and some characters are clearly busted at it.

 

Also want to point out that Klei makes balancing changes depending on feedback, a lot of people including myself were unhappy how op wx78 was, due to base kit wx78 could basicly have 14 charges instead of 6, if they just added more charges than splitting it into groups, it would be basically the same but you could use more of the same circuits at once. 

[Edible Coal]

Just now, Kvetevk said:

Wolfgangs whole mechanic is 2x damage, it's true that his skill tree was made just to make him better with planar weapons, but he doesn't have anything else than damage. On the other hand, wx78 have everything except damage, even better stats than Wolfgang.

he does work 1.25x faster, sometime instant finish , best marble armor user, carry statues , faster sailing speed

this alone already beats wx by miles

Edited April 4 by Edible Coal

[Kvetevk]

54 minutes ago, Edible Coal said:

he does work 1.25x faster, sometime instant finish , best marble armor user, carry statues , faster sailing speed

this alone already beats wx by miles

well you forgot that wx78 already has all these abilities (except sailing and instant finish) with acceleration circuit + tinker skills
edit: and faster chopping with spin-cylce circuit (that will probably be tweaked later)
and why would wx78 need to do manual labor faster? He got his organic "friends" for that.

I also want to ask everybody why Wolfgang having faster gameplay loop is a "good" reason to buff others to extreme?

Him being faster at killing bosses and having easier time collecting resources is not an excuse for all characters and theire skill trees needing a huge buff just to compete with him. Yes, Wolfgang is the best when it comes to bosses, but Wx78 is the best when it comes to survival: no penalty to spoiled food, free night vision, while buffing stats also having passive bonuses, freezing and overheating basicly gone just with 3 slots. The only season that Wx78 is bad at is Spring.
What about some other characters? Do they not deserver 2x damage then? My boy Wilson have no skill related to combat or exploring, he got useful skills that help him a **bit** for surviving.
Why Wigfrid didnt get a skill for getting resources?
Honestly I have no idea why Wx78 should be good at everything for no other reason than just Wolfgang existing?

Edited April 4 by Kvetevk

[Soul7k]

1 hour ago, Kvetevk said:

well you forgot that wx78 already has all these abilities (except sailing and instant finish) with acceleration circuit + tinker skills
edit: and faster chopping with spin-cylce circuit (that will probably be tweaked later)
and why would wx78 need to do manual labor faster? He got his organic "friends" for that.

I also want to ask everybody why Wolfgang having faster gameplay loop is a "good" reason to buff others to extreme?

Him being faster at killing bosses and having easier time collecting resources is not an excuse for all characters and theire skill trees needing a huge buff just to compete with him. Yes, Wolfgang is the best when it comes to bosses, but Wx78 is the best when it comes to survival: no penalty to spoiled food, free night vision, while buffing stats also having passive bonuses, freezing and overheating basicly gone just with 3 slots. The only season that Wx78 is bad at is Spring.
What about some other characters? Do they not deserver 2x damage then? My boy Wilson have no skill related to combat or exploring, he got useful skills that help him a **bit** for surviving.
Why Wigfrid didnt get a skill for getting resources?
Honestly I have no idea why Wx78 should be good at everything for no other reason than just Wolfgang existing?

she does. her resource is beefalo

[Kvetevk]

Just now, Soul7k said:

she does. her resource is beefalo

I ment resource gathering, like chopping, mining and hammering
She is focused on 1 thing: fighting
While Wx78 is focused on: surviving

[Soul7k]

2 minutes ago, Kvetevk said:

I ment resource gathering, like chopping, mining and hammering
She is focused on 1 thing: fighting
While Wx78 is focused on: surviving

Walter does both what are you getting at

[Kvetevk]

1 minute ago, Soul7k said:

Walter does both what are you getting at

Yes but his playstyle is completely different and fighting will require much more resources (for ammo) than usualy

[Milordo]

5 hours ago, Jakepeng99 said:

Customer is always right....

The customer is always right....in matter of taste!

Let's fight this misconception 

[Jakepeng99]

2 hours ago, Edible Coal said:

he does work 1.25x faster, sometime instant finish , best marble armor user, carry statues , faster sailing speed

this alone already beats wx by miles

These are the worst examples you could choose. WX literally is better at him at all of these besides sailing.😼

 

 

[hhhhddh]

17 hours ago, Cuernito. said:

add more circuits

I don't think WX needs more circuits(maybe more gammas), like if there're 2 affinity circuits, it will be like Abigail's Cursed Vexation and Luminous Wrath. And they are just provides some planar damage, not interesting at all. And which type should them belong to? "Omega Circuits"?

I agree the nerf of alpha circuits and light circuit doesn't really matters, but part of alpha skilltree perks should be adjusted again. Gammas are not fully finish yet so I'll wait. And I really hope affinity skills will be interesting.