WX Circuit talks + Wurt

[viblym]

12 minutes ago, PisiWasTaken said:

before the wx rework, they were considered a guy, as someone who played since the days of solo don't starve, you just get used to thinking wx is a guy. nothing really changed in game.  Besides common public opinion, there's like 4 quotes on other characters. 

You're running off of information that is literally over a decade old, WX has been nonbinary for 95% of their own character's lifespan, all references to WX as male or even masculine were removed from the game by early 2015, Klei just did not outright state so until 2022. You can read the text in game, and you can read what the developers themselves have said. Do not attempt to turn something objective into an argument.

[PisiWasTaken]

11 minutes ago, viblym said:

You're running off of information that is literally over a decade old, WX has been nonbinary for 95% of their own character's lifespan, all references to WX as male or even masculine were removed from the game by early 2015, Klei just did not outright state so until 2022. You can read the text in game, and you can read what the developers themselves have said. Do not attempt to turn something objective into an argument.

thats 3 years old, not ten. the update was in 2022, and wx was just not that talked about by other characters. there were basicly no refrences to them other than by name in general. dst wasnt out till 2016, and im pretty sure they didn't touch dont starve alone.

Edited April 4 by PisiWasTaken
edited pronouns so you whouldn't hang me

[Cuernito.]

and now people are fighting over pronums lel. 

47 minutes ago, viblym said:

I'd hope you could read the post and understand Why Wurt is relevant here considering several of WX's and Wurt's abilities cover the same ground

I do read your post and no, they are still not the same, wurt get a little boost in stats after she get a king which shouldnt be a priority cause it takes too much resources, the robot can upgrade his stats from the start, he doesnt need that much to get a big number upgrades, and wurt is more about minions klei can just get ride of wurt's stats buffs and she still would be pretty strong cause her minions. Wx-78 on the other hand is all about upgrades but i have to agree a little with you, this has to be one of the most boring skill trees.

Edited April 4 by Cuernito.

[gaymime]

29 minutes ago, PisiWasTaken said:

before the wx rework, they were considered a guy, as someone who played since the days of solo don't starve, you just get used to thinking wx is a guy. nothing really changed in game.  Besides common public opinion, there's like 4 quotes on other characters. 

not true. wx was never given gender, the only reference to a possible gender was the concept for them which wasn't actually used in the game(you would have to be on the wiki or the forums to see that info). while that concept questioned if wx was a boy or not the game just had wx as... well, wx. like fourish years ago klei officially canonised wx as nonbinary but this has been an ongoing thing for a lot longer to the point where there was a (semi) popular thread about it back in 2019. the code has had wx outside of the two other listed genders in the game for almost a decade(lol happy almost tenth birthday dst!) and joe will sometimes pop up to clarify that wx is not a male character. unless you have not been playing either game for the last several years and have not been on the forum for the last several years wx as "he" does not make sense unless you are purposely choosing to disallow gender expression outside of "he" or "she". the lore does not support "boy" wx, the game does not support "boy" wx

 

of course that is getting aside from the point of the topic and inviting in people who just wanna be gross about stuff. back to stats and beta pains!

 

 

[RayanLopes]

1 hour ago, Cuernito. said:

First i have to say that who cares about pronums, second wurt is not the same as wx-78, maybe you are the type of player that think wurt is the ultimate weapon but in reality she is not, she has more than one important downside and even if she has the potential to be really strong she still needs to waste time and resources to achieve something other characters like wolfgang can do in record time so no she is not OP, but to be honest with you i agree balance kills fun so i hope klei can do something about this because all this mess for a single character update is insane.

But that doesn't make much sense, it's not because she needs time and resources (which is very easy for her to get) that it denies the fact that she ends up being the character with the most damage in the game to the point of not even having to interact with enemies in the fight and then being able to easily regenerate sanity, whether with fish or water, and for food she just needs to farm kelps, and at the end of the day she will never go insane, get hungry, or be in danger.  
If I am not making sense, I would like to know 

[Cuernito.]

2 minutes ago, RayanLopes said:

But that doesn't make much sense, it's not because she needs time and resources (which is very easy for her to get) that it denies the fact that she ends up being the character with the most damage in the game to the point of not even having to interact with enemies in the fight and then being able to easily regenerate sanity, whether with fish or water, and for food she just needs to farm kelps, and at the end of the day she will never go insane, get hungry, or be in danger.  
If I am not making sense, I would like to know

Actually the strongest character is still wolfgang, there is a reason he holds a lot of speed run records, he doesnt need to make a kingdom to destroy the enemy, and i dont know who told you wurt was the biggest dps of all character, can you give me source? using your logic Winona has to be the strongest character cause she can use a nuclear explosion to delet bosses in less than 3 seconds. 

nah the sad reality is wurt is not OP, she has big downsides and if klei actually buffed her during her skill tree was cause she needed it. Wanna know what is even more sad? Winona my main actually got nerfed during her skill tree, sure she is so strong after you literally kill a final boss but if you use her without skill she is worst than before. I dont think klei is dump or is not aware of their characters, they know which characters needs buffs and which characters needs a nerf. In this case i feel the robot nerf were not that big of an issue.

[PisiWasTaken]

Just now, Cuernito. said:

Actually the strongest character is still wolfgang, there is a reason he holds a lot of speed run records, he doesnt need to make a kingdom to destroy the enemy, and i dont know who told you wurt was the biggest dps of all character, can you give me source? using your logic Winona has to be the strongest character cause she can use a nuclear explosion to delet bosses in less than 3 seconds. 

Wolfgang is just good at killing bosses early, but it still takes a lot of skill to do it that way. once you set up with guard merms with tentacles, have like 30 of em and you can afk all bosses in the game basicly. and you almost as strong as wolfgang (without the damage mult tho) by just having a merm king fed. if you weren't shooting for a speedrun of one boss specifically, you just set up for a few days with wurt and stomp the whole game. speedruns can't go for anything over 2x damage cause they don't have the time for it. to be competitive in todays speedrun space, you need to beat the boss you running before the end of day 1.

[RayanLopes]

3 minutes ago, Cuernito. said:

Actually the strongest character is still wolfgang, there is a reason he holds a lot of speed run records, he doesnt need to make a kingdom to destroy the enemy, and i dont know who told you wurt was the biggest dps of all character, can you give me source? using your logic Winona has to be the strongest character cause she can use a nuclear explosion to delet bosses in less than 3 seconds. 

hmmmm you have good points, about damage I mean you fill the arena with as many merms as possible and then you will be able to defeat that boss much faster than Wolfgang (there are videos about this, but it was kind of expected with a crowd of merms) , but again as you said, Wolfgang can do it in a shorter setup time, about Winona I have no idea how strong her machines are

3 minutes ago, PisiWasTaken said:

Wolfgang is just good at killing bosses early, but it still takes a lot of skill to do it that way. once you set up with guard merms with tentacles, have like 30 of em and you can afk all bosses in the game basicly. and you almost as strong as wolfgang (without the damage mult tho) by just having a merm king fed. if you weren't shooting for a speedrun of one boss specifically, you just set up for a few days with wurt and stomp the whole game. speedruns can't go for anything over 2x damage cause they don't have the time for it. to be competitive in todays speedrun space, you need to beat the boss you running before the end of day 1.

yaaaaa! This is what I'm talking about! it's literally what happens playing as wurt

[Cuernito.]

9 minutes ago, PisiWasTaken said:

Wolfgang is just good at killing bosses early, but it still takes a lot of skill to do it that way. once you set up with guard merms with tentacles, have like 30 of em and you can afk all bosses in the game basicly. and you almost as strong as wolfgang (without the damage mult tho) by just having a merm king fed. if you weren't shooting for a speedrun of one boss specifically, you just set up for a few days with wurt and stomp the whole game. speedruns can't go for anything over 2x damage cause they don't have the time for it. to be competitive in todays speedrun space, you need to beat the boss you running before the end of day 1.

So you think killing bosses using a lot of resources after a long wait is OP cause you destroy the boss? While killing Bosses in day 1 using an axe is not OP cause he is only good at killing bosses? weird lmao, Using thi same logic Winona is a god in this game.

[PisiWasTaken]

Just now, Cuernito. said:

So you think killing bosses using a lot of resources after a long wait is OP cause you destroy the boss? While killing Bosses in day 1 using an axe is not OP cause he is only good at killing bosses? weird lmao, Using thi same logic Winona is a god in this game.

try to beat a boss on day 1 with wolfgang and you will see what im saying. its not wolfgang beeing the best as why its used for speedruns, its that he requires the least setup. in a dst single boss speedrun every second matters, and with the slightest mistake you loose on time. if you were to give a wurt player and a wolfgang player 30 days before beating a boss, wurt whould no diff any day of the week.

[Cuernito.]

9 minutes ago, RayanLopes said:

hmmmm you have good points, about damage I mean you fill the arena with as many merms as possible and then you will be able to defeat that boss much faster than Wolfgang (there are videos about this, but it was kind of expected with a crowd of merms) , but again as you said, Wolfgang can do it in a shorter setup time, about Winona I have no idea how strong her machines are

All characters are strong broken if you know how to use them, but they are different in playstyles, what i dont like about OP post is how he is comparing wurt with wx-78 which is not a fair comparison, did you know that actually Wurt got buffed more than one time in the past? I would say that Winona is more akin to wurt gameplay than any other but webber.

[PisiWasTaken]

1 minute ago, Cuernito. said:

All characters are strong broken if you know how to use them, but they are different in playstyles, what i dont like about OP post is how he is comparing wurt with wx-78 which is not a fair comparison, did you know that actually Wurt got buffed more than one time in the past? I would say that Winona is more akin to wurt gameplay than any other but webber.

were comparing nuclear bomb gameplay with coughing baby gameplay. the first one is obviously stronger than the other, but because they are diffrent you shouldnt compare is what you say. its a bad argument.

[Cuernito.]

1 minute ago, PisiWasTaken said:

ts not wolfgang beeing the best

I never write about wolfy being the best, i said he was the strongest which he is, Wurt damage is not direct damage she needs to use minions and if we are gonna give lots of days why dont just give them 1000 days maybe winona would be killing more bosses per day using the nuclear explosion than wurt or wolfy. But anyway Wurt doesnt have anything to do with Wx-78 that's all i said, its not hard to understand.

1 minute ago, PisiWasTaken said:

its a bad argument.

nope a bad argument is saying wurt is the same as Wx-78 cause they can up their stats XD. Maybe wendy is the same as wigfrid cause they both can eat lmao

Anyway I hope klei nerf the robot more if neccesary but in return they give us more funny circuits.

[PisiWasTaken]

Just now, Cuernito. said:

I never write about wolfy being the best, i said he was the strongest which he is, Wurt damage is not direct damage she needs to use minions and if we are gonna give lots of days why dont just give them 1000 days maybe winona would be killing more bosses per day using the nuclear explosion than wurt or wolfy. But anyway Wurt doesnt have anything to do with Wx-78 that's all i said, its not hard to understand.

there is no reason to continue this conversation. you clearly don't know how strong wurt is, and that she does not compare to winnona. wurt is busted and you refuse to engage in the argument about it. and whe you said and to be the best you have to be the strongest for bosses and have utility. wurt excels in both departments and is a few steps above every character in the game. and the wx vs wurt argument was about the merm king, who buffs wurt on par with a balanced wx for a "kelp a whenever i feel like it", while wx78's whole thing is those stat boosts, witch he has to work for. while wurt doesnt have free infinite light, she has ways of getting what wx has easier. that was the point of the comparasion.

[Cuernito.]

24 minutes ago, PisiWasTaken said:

there is no reason to continue this conversation. you clearly don't know how strong wurt is, and that she does not compare to winnona. wurt is busted and you refuse to engage in the argument about it. and whe you said and to be the best you have to be the strongest for bosses and have utility. wurt excels in both departments and is a few steps above every character in the game. and the wx vs wurt argument was about the merm king, who buffs wurt on par with a balanced wx for a "kelp a whenever i feel like it", while wx78's whole thing is those stat boosts, witch he has to work for. while wurt doesnt have free infinite light, she has ways of getting what wx has easier. that was the point of the comparasion.

Welp i get it now, you're trolling and i took the bait lmao XD, good one bro, i think im gonna start trolling with this wurt stuff too in the future but not in this update ggs.