Wanda should suffer more from old age?

[Mike23Ua]

52 minutes ago, Evelo said:

Well no, not at all. The normal cooldown for an Ageless watch is 120 seconds. If you give a GCD of like 5 seconds, that is only affecting 4% of the total cooldown (the GCD wouldn't affect the normal cooldown time just ready to go ones). It would just prevent the ability to take a ton of damage that would kill someone and just spam it to negate all the damage taken.
I suppose inventory management is one of the downsides, but given how ubiquitous beefalo are, I can't wrap my head around how people struggle with inventory ever. (wear a piggyback, drop off stuff, etc)

Eh if someone spent 20 in-game days to tame a Beefalo I’m pretty sure they earned the rights to use it. And to explain that a bit better:

I unlocked EVERY Achievement in Dont Starve, (yes including completing the RogueLite mode Twice to free Maxwell & then Re-Trap him to free my original character) and EVERY one in DST, But the last one I got was taming a beefalo. Prior to their (rather amazing) refresh/rework they were a pain in the rear to tame.

Now that they’re easiest I suppose people are struggling to adjust, but a Beefalo was originally intended to be a commitment to time it took to tame, and caution to keep it alive.

With the late-game revival bells and whatever I guess they became OP? Idk.. but you can’t just say using a Beefalo & Piggyback negates an inventory management downside.

[Edible Coal]

44 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

 

With the late-game revival bells and whatever I guess they became OP? Idk.. but you can’t just say using a Beefalo & Piggyback negates an inventory management downside.

klei adds tons of knock back to make them much less useable

[Jakepeng99]

4 hours ago, Nikki Darks said:

I meant like, shorter cooldowns when old because in that stage you are more voulnerable and long in young because you're not really vulnerable then.

?? Why? Why give her a significant buff, and nerf her weakest form?

[Cruvimaster]

6 hours ago, goblinball said:

You are NOT comparing Wanda’s alarming clock to Walter’s slingshot please don’t tell me you are saying these serve similar niches PLEASEEEE

Logically, I would compare them, since Wanda's weapon is always compared to traditional melee weapons to question the ranged attack capabilities. If Wanda was compared to the others, nothing prevents us from correlating the same to Walter. With the advantage that he is attacking from a distance and without the risk of taking a hit at full health.

10 hours ago, Jakepeng99 said:

Ive already made a dozen posts about how Wurt's skilltree sucks amd she is beyond broken.

Yes, but nobody's going to nerf the best character who gets paid. Now Wanda just has to be worse than she is.

[AuRuS]

17 hours ago, Nikki Darks said:

You are insane if you genuinely believe everything before rifts is early game. Early game is like, the first 7 days???

Also, people need to stop thinking Wanda is only her whip weapon, she can tp groups of people, she can infinitely revive others, and guess what??? Rifts aren't a major thing in DST even if they are active, you still get to do every other boss aside from rifts, so no... Rifts do not make Wanda bad, they just make it so that she can't use her whip weapon optimally.....

In my 4K hours of this game, I can assure you that Wanda is fine, she is okay early game, busted mid and late game, and just very good during Rifts.

 

 

Dude you gotta be trippin

 

Lets get some things straight - Wanda is in fact only her whip weapon and more than that, she isn't really good at it. In early game (pre-rifts as rifts can easily be started solo witin first 30 days) I gotta admit - she is okay-ish. However, there is still no reason to play her instead of Wolfgang as he is just better at PvE alltogether and does not need as much preparation for bossfights so literally does everything faster - no need for farming reeds to get night armor, just slap a football helmet and a hambat and off you go to kill CC in a couple minutes.

The teleportation? Way more expensive in setup and just straight up worse than whatever wortox or winona can do easily for fraction of a cost. Wanna bring your friends along? Just wait till day 1 of summer and get as many desert stones as you want to tp everyone around! 

You can't be serious with bringing up revives as if we didn't have a trilion ways to rez someone without having to rely on a mid watch, honestly I would save myself the hassle of getting the watch and just craft a telltale heart since it really only makes the difference of not needing to use a booster shot (crafted from trash items you got tons of).

Rifts aren't a major thing? That's so weird I think you must've missed the 3 bosses that oneshot Wanda on surface and all of the planar enemies underground that do the same thing! Even the masked enemies are an actual threat to her and they are the "trash mobs" of the caves after rifts so...

When you actually try to optimise your gameplay you come to a conclusion that there is absolutely no reason not to play Wolfgang early -> Winona mid/late game as you can just rush through all the bosses, gather all the materials for winona's setups and then play as her and freely TP everywhere and obliterate bosses within 10 seconds with planar strike spam (with some switching to Wickerbottom->Wilson for stacks of briliance). Wanda has no place in that, unless you are playing with roleplayers or people that just got the game and want to stick to their tempo of playing the game then go ahead, but - in that scenario - why would you complain about the state of some characters when you choose not to play optimally?

 

Oh and about the sections of the game let's get that straight as well, early game is just everything you do before rifts, mid game is after that and then you hit late game the moment you acquire the upgraded celestial crown as this is when you can start freely doing farms or setting up a megabase

 

Edited January 21 by AuRuS

[aidankocherhans]

4 hours ago, AuRuS said:

In early game (pre-rifts as rifts can easily be started solo witin first 30 days)

 

4 hours ago, AuRuS said:

Oh and about the sections of the game let's get that straight as well, early game is just everything you do before rifts, mid game is after that and then you hit late game the moment you acquire the upgraded celestial crown as this is when you can start freely doing farms or setting up a megabase

Dawg, no one's gonna agree with this. Most players will never open the rifts, and most that do won't do it nearly that fast.

[AuRuS]

1 hour ago, aidankocherhans said:

 

Dawg, no one's gonna agree with this.

Yeah and honestly this is kind of a shocker to me since people on this forum got thousands of hours in game each. I think that after all that time still not trying to play optimally is like grinding league of legends for years and never leaving bronze. I mean if this is your definition of having fun then yeah go ahead, playing casual draft games with friends is fun, no doubt but damn, not improving after all this time spent on the game is wild to me.

[goblinball]

1 hour ago, AuRuS said:

Yeah and honestly this is kind of a shocker to me since people on this forum got thousands of hours in game each. I think that after all that time still not trying to play optimally is like grinding league of legends for years and never leaving bronze. I mean if this is your definition of having fun then yeah go ahead, playing casual draft games with friends is fun, no doubt but damn, not improving after all this time spent on the game is wild to me.

Ngl I exclusively play casual (and usually suboptimal picks) in league lmao

There are ways to improve in dst beyond just doing things faster. Some ppl just prefer a slower pace but are still able to excel and are a lot better than the average player. How fast someone plays dst isn’t a measure of skill, it’s a choice. There’s a correlation in that faster players tend to be higher skilled but that doesn’t mean every high skilled player speedruns the game (in fact from my experience, most don’t).

a more accurate comparison here would be beating WoF in terraria instead of league ranked. Would you seriously argue ppl who don’t beat WoF in the first day are playing “suboptimally”?

Also, keep in mind that the forums comprise like idk 1% of dst players and is composed mostly of tryhards with countless hours. This is not an accurate sample, and the average dst player, even the average experienced one, probably won’t open both rifts in the first year. Maybe not even one of them.

Edited January 21 by goblinball

[Well-met]

we can nerf wanda after she's had her skill tree, not before.

[Jakepeng99]

5 minutes ago, Well-met said:

we can nerf wanda after she's had her skill tree, not before.

Yeah I agree.

[Primalflower]

if you want to make wanda more of a glass cannon, you just make it so her middle aged state isnt as perfectly serviceable as it is. t3 wanda is only 1-2 hits away from death almost all of the time without significantly more preparation than any other more healthy character and parrying

Edited January 21 by Primalflower