Wolfgang needs you! (Done)

[Bumber64]

13 hours ago, irangod said:

The 2x damage is the only thing Wolfgang has going for him and all of his upsides besides the damage are negligible.

We'll just ignore his stats, marble armor use, and freezing resistance. How could he compete with... Woodie otherwise?

He'd be mid-tier, falling in line with almost all the other characters. *gasp*

[Edible Coal]

14 hours ago, irangod said:

The 2x damage is the only thing Wolfgang has going for him and all of his upsides besides the damage are negligible.

hmm apparently work faster, heavy object moving, better rowing , having all stats 200 arnt upsides

[Hungry French]

19 hours ago, irangod said:

Урон в 2 раза выше — единственное преимущество Вольфганга, а все остальные его достоинства незначительны.

This is a character whose only drawbacks are loss of sanity. The rest of his bonuses are quite good. It should have been weakened, most likely, even to the rework and skill tree...

[Catuna_]

I was really disappointed by Wolfgang's skill tree... I wish it was more akin to Uncompromising mode's Wolfgang skilltree/rework. In that mod, Wolfgang's mightyness is tied to hunger and mightyness lets you perform feats of strength like leaping, insta-completing work and perform a mighty strike (a 4x damage multiattack).

 I really hate the community and dev outlook on Wolfgang, people thought that he was this "meta" character (in a sandbox game btw) that invalidates the existence of the rest of the cast which is not true. Klei tried to rework him in an attempt to nerf him and ended up buffing him instead lmfao causing him to become stronger in the most boring way possible (staying mighty forever with a fixed 2x damage mult). I really hate the mightyness meter, it's a meter you can't do anything with to develop the character. If you make Wolfgang spend mightyness or make mightyness drain that's gonna feel bad because you'll yoyo between normal and mighty, so you keep it as this passive meter that's as static as possible which honestly makes you question its existence. If doing literally anything pauses the drain, and holding a dumbell also pauses the drain, and nothing prevents you from being always mighty, what's the point? Seeing stat scaling removed from Wolfgang with his rework is also disappointing, it looked really cool.

Wolfgang's skill tree tried to tread so carefully to not buff Wolfgang in any major way, and it's so clear that Klei was just afraid of giving Wolfgang something good... The form restrictions on leg day and whistle are not to "try to give Wolfgang's other forms utility" they are there so that Wolfgang doesn't "become too strong" or "doesn't get overbuffed" because there's NOTHING ELSE that develops on this idea of giving forms different utility nor is there a way to conveniently alternate between these forms... AND THEN they gave Wolfgang something really good regardless! Again, in the most boring way possible! Wolfgang's affinities are so absurd and all they do is just let you deal more damage against a type of enemy. You go from 2x to 2.6x damage. 

I think Wolfgang is honestly one of the most unfortunate characters in DST history. He's a character who never had their kit really developed properly, was reworked to be quite lame in an attempt to nerf him yet became stronger. And then got 5 billion filler perks in his skill tree which mostly remedy an issue that Klei created with planar entity protection, and then got absurd affinities despite Klei clearly not wanting to give him anything good. 

 

[HopelessBot]

10 hours ago, Bumber64 said:

We'll just ignore his stats, marble armor use, and freezing resistance. How could he compete with... Woodie otherwise?

He'd be mid-tier, falling in line with almost all the other characters. *gasp*

 

9 hours ago, Edible Coal said:

hmm apparently work faster, heavy object moving, better rowing , having all stats 200 arnt upsides

i never said he had no other upsides, i said they were negligible as they are negligible.

[Bumber64]

27 minutes ago, irangod said:

 

i never said he had no other upsides, i said they were negligible as they are negligible.

How many characters have meaningful upsides then? You're setting the bar rather high.

Having no movement speed penalties by itself surpasses many other characters' upsides, considering Wolfgang only has a sanity downside.

[Hungry French]

On 17.07.2025 at 00:19, Cheggf said:

Дерево навыков Вольфганга такое же отстойное, как и сам Вольфганг. Похоже, они его ненавидят и намеренно портят его, чтобы досадить игрокам, которые им по какой-то причине не нравятся.

He was cool. Before the rework and the tree of skills...

16 hours ago, Bumber64 said:

We'll just ignore his stats, marble armor use, and freezing resistance. How could he compete with... Woodie otherwise?

He'd be mid-tier, falling in line with almost all the other characters. *gasp*

Woody is just a broken thing.  Which was reworked not for the sake of a cool implementation for the game, but as just a fun idea about 3 shapes that don't fit into the game at all.

16 hours ago, Bumber64 said:

We'll just ignore his stats, marble armor use, and freezing resistance. How could he compete with... Woodie otherwise?

He'd be mid-tier, falling in line with almost all the other characters. *gasp*

Woody is just a broken thing.  Which was reworked not for the sake of a cool implementation for the game, but as just a fun idea about 3 shapes that don't fit into the game at all.

[Dr.Webber]

On 7/23/2025 at 12:27 PM, Dr.Webber said:

These should be in suggestions and feedback

Edited 

[Catapult 2.0]

On 7/17/2025 at 4:30 AM, Keknutui said:

I think most will agree that Wolfgang's skill tree is one of the weakest skill trees, which has only been confirmed over the years.

Weak，is too weak!

Wow, our poor little Wolfgang is just soooo underpowered... clearly he needs even more buffs to be viable!

[Edible Coal]

1 hour ago, Catapult 2.0 said:

Weak，is too weak!

Wow, our poor little Wolfgang is just soooo underpowered... clearly he needs even more buffs to be viable!

this is a unreported bug where wolfgang always have 25+ planar even not strong

[cybers2001]

1 hour ago, Catapult 2.0 said:

Weak，is too weak!

Wow, our poor little Wolfgang is just soooo underpowered... clearly he needs even more buffs to be viable!

Bro. Obviously he's referring to the skilltree being boring and not Wolfgang's actual damage stats.

[Catapult 2.0]

1 hour ago, Edible Coal said:

this is a unreported bug where wolfgang always have 25+ planar even not strong

You got half of it right—it is indeed a bug, but you misunderstood how it actually works. Such a powerful bug has persisted unchanged since the skill tree was introduced, and yet some people still claim his skill tree is weak.

49 minutes ago, cybers2001 said:

Bro. Obviously he's referring to the skilltree being boring and not Wolfgang's actual damage stats.

The OP used the term "weakest" rather than "most boring," clearly indicating their desire to further buff this already overpowered stat monster. The designers have stated that "powerful characters will only receive a bland skill tree as a balancing measure." So if we're going to rework Wolfgang's skill tree, we must first nerf his core ability of "effortlessly dealing over double damage" and amplify his currently negligible drawback—"the fluctuating sanity drain multiplier hovering around 1.3x."

Edited August 2, 2025 by Catapult 2.0

[Keknutui]

6 hours ago, Catapult 2.0 said:

Вы правы наполовину: это действительно баг, но вы неправильно поняли, как он работает. Этот мощный баг не менялся с тех пор, как появилось древо навыков, но некоторые люди до сих пор утверждают, что его древо навыков слабое.

Автор использовал термин «самый слабый», а не «самый скучный», что явно указывает на его желание ещё больше усилить и без того мощного монстра со статистикой. Разработчики заявили, что «мощные персонажи получат простое дерево навыков в качестве меры по балансировке». Поэтому, если мы собираемся переработать дерево навыков Вольфганга, мы должны сначала ослабить его основную способность «без особых усилий наносить двойной урон» и усилить его незначительный на данный момент недостаток — «колеблющийся множитель снижения рассудка, составляющий примерно 1,3».

No, I meant that Wolfgang's Tree is currently very boring and offers nothing but skills with increased stats.

[Keknutui]

Wolfgang's tree is ready and can be found in the post at the link