Beetrice Posted June 5, 2025 Share Posted June 5, 2025 It just makes sense. Give Wurt an actual niche of oceanfaring! 2 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166150-merms-can-row/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumber64 Posted June 5, 2025 Share Posted June 5, 2025 Wurt already has a bunch of niches and quirks, including ones relating to drowning and being wet. You'd have to also give it to pigs, at minimum. 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166150-merms-can-row/#findComment-1819833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creatingabe1125 Posted June 5, 2025 Share Posted June 5, 2025 Though how would you control them? You can’t really control them well when chopping/mining atleast to my knowledge. So unless they row where you row which I’m starting to see as a pontential problem as by the time you change where you’re rowing, the merms may have crashed you into some rocks or something worse. And once you bring them on then most likely you’ll be unable to row safely when you need to like in dangerous waters. Plus they can act as obstacles on your boat. And it also depends on how many you bring, with more being worse. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166150-merms-can-row/#findComment-1819839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beetrice Posted June 12, 2025 Author Share Posted June 12, 2025 You can just give Wurt a spellcasting menu that lets her control when her merms mine/chop/row/etc. 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166150-merms-can-row/#findComment-1821663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreyaMaluk Posted June 16, 2025 Share Posted June 16, 2025 On 6/5/2025 at 4:05 PM, Bumber64 said: Wurt already has a bunch of niches and quirks, including ones relating to drowning and being wet. You'd have to also give it to pigs, at minimum. disagree. Merms are aquatic creatures. Pigs are the farthest from that On 6/5/2025 at 1:01 PM, Beetrice said: It just makes sense. Give Wurt an actual niche of oceanfaring! that is such a fun idea!!! love it! 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166150-merms-can-row/#findComment-1822786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumber64 Posted June 17, 2025 Share Posted June 17, 2025 (edited) 7 hours ago, FreyaMaluk said: disagree. Merms are aquatic creatures. Pigs are the farthest from that They aren't being asked to swim. Mighty Wolfgang is actually better at seafaring stuff than Wurt, IIRC. Edited June 17, 2025 by Bumber64 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166150-merms-can-row/#findComment-1822854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreyaMaluk Posted June 17, 2025 Share Posted June 17, 2025 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Bumber64 said: They aren't being asked to swim. Mighty Wolfgang is actually better at seafaring stuff than Wurt, IIRC. That Wolfgang is better cuz he is strong doesn't negate the fact that merms are aquatic by nature while pigs have no connection with water whatsoever in dst lore. If anthing Pigs are air/earth related. Edited June 17, 2025 by FreyaMaluk Grammar Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166150-merms-can-row/#findComment-1822868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumber64 Posted June 17, 2025 Share Posted June 17, 2025 (edited) 1 hour ago, FreyaMaluk said: If anthing Pigs are air/earth related. Nah, they're fire aligned because of the torch setpiece. /s It's nothing to do with "connections". They have hands and muscles. Edited June 17, 2025 by Bumber64 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166150-merms-can-row/#findComment-1822888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreyaMaluk Posted June 17, 2025 Share Posted June 17, 2025 7 hours ago, Bumber64 said: Nah, they're fire aligned because of the torch setpiece. /s It's nothing to do with "connections". They have hands and muscles. Hamlet is where the pigs came from. It is high up connected to the wind and altitude and yes fire and earth as well. Pugna and Forge as they traveled to reach the constant. I see what you are saying about "they have limbs" which by that definition, then any creature could row for us, like catcoons or carats but from a lore perspective, I disagree and that is ok. I don't wanna make this about pigmen because that is not the topic of OP. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166150-merms-can-row/#findComment-1822944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumber64 Posted June 17, 2025 Share Posted June 17, 2025 (edited) 34 minutes ago, FreyaMaluk said: I see what you are saying about "they have limbs" which by that definition, then any creature could row for us, like catcoons or carats but from a lore perspective, I disagree and that is ok. I don't wanna make this about pigmen because that is not the topic of OP. Pigs, specifically, can use tools like axes to chop trees. They're capable of using oars. (Do bunnymen also use tools? IDK.) Maxwell's shadow minions would also be capable, but he doesn't need more perks. If you were envisioning Merms getting out and pushing, that requires special animations and the ability to get on/off the boat. Webber and Maxwell get around this by having their minions just walk on water. Edited June 17, 2025 by Bumber64 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166150-merms-can-row/#findComment-1822948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beetrice Posted June 24, 2025 Author Share Posted June 24, 2025 Making pigs able to row would be problematic, because they aren't being controlled by a specific player. It also makes it impossible to add the much simpler fix of a spellcasting window for Wurt to control what her Merms are doing and not doing. Wurt has a lot of quirks, but she still is kind of underpowered compared to other survivors.. Considering that a lot of these quirks relate to wetness and the things you can only obtain from the ocean, it also makes sense to enable more different playstyles. It also means she is a character for people who dislike the slowness of water travel, but (diverging from Woodie) still want to obtain things such as ocean fish and sea salt. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166150-merms-can-row/#findComment-1824058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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