Woodie should be able to use Jeweled Enlightened Crown in Weremoose form

[Sikers]

I think it would be really awful if after completing this long and tedious series of quests and defeating probably the hardest boss in the game, you got a reward, that just isn't very useful, unless you gave up on Weremoose transformation. Gear that makes you ignore parts of character kit instead of enhancing it, just doesn't feel very rewarding.

 

I know this item hasn't been fully implemented yet, so I apologize if I'm jumping to conclusions, but I just feel it's something worth mentioned.

[Hollow soul 3]

He doesn't really scale with any new content. He definitely could use something

[Jakepeng99]

1 hour ago, Hollow soul 3 said:

He doesn't really scale with any new content. He definitely could use something

He can solo the new boss in were moose form.

 

 

[YouKnowWho142]

1 hour ago, Hollow soul 3 said:

He doesn't really scale with any new content. He definitely could use something

This has always been the issue with woodie, his powers are definitely more geared for early to mid game and do not mix well with rift content at all

[SilverSpoon]

That's why we should use Werebeaver Mastery.

Well, in the first place, Weremoose shouldn't be used in fights where it's not appropriate and it's fair that the abilities are limited since it only cost a Moose Idol. However, I understand that it is not happy to have to battle become Wilson, so, like Brambleshade Armor of Wormwood, I think that it's good Lucy will be able to upgrade according to the affinity after lift, and be able throw it like Forge or give other ability. Klei have just improved electric shock, so it'd be nice to have the Moon-Thor’s Lucy that it can throw at enemies to stun them.

Edited May 25, 2025 by SilverSpoon

[Hollow soul 3]

Having his armor effect his wereform could be handy too similar to Maxwell's armor level effecting his shadow minions.

[IAmAFurrz]

2 hours ago, Jakepeng99 said:

He can solo the new boss in were moose form.

 

 

everyone can. moose perk is much more geared towards early game. his abilities do not scale at all with late game and moose is very tank-forward which bosses really penalize, the controlled dashes help for sure but if you have to dodge then youre already likely doing worse dps than normal woodie so choosing moose isnt the best compared to fighting normal form (i dont think the wereforms will get a scaling anytime soon since klei tends to not really change characters' strengths and weaknesses outside skilltrees)

[readkey]

8 hours ago, SilverSpoon said:

That's why we should use Werebeaver Mastery.

Well, in the first place, Weremoose shouldn't be used in fights where it's not appropriate and it's fair that the abilities are limited since it only cost a Moose Idol. However, I understand that it is not happy to have to battle become Wilson, so, like Brambleshade Armor of Wormwood, I think that it's good Lucy will be able to upgrade according to the affinity after lift, and be able throw it like Forge or give other ability. Klei have just improved electric shock, so it'd be nice to have the Moon-Thor’s Lucy that it can throw at enemies to stun them.

I actually like werebeaver mastery because I don’t bother to wait for bearger when I need logs. 

[Jakepeng99]

9 hours ago, IAmAFurrz said:

everyone can. moose perk is much more geared towards early game. his abilities do not scale at all with late game and moose is very tank-forward which bosses really penalize, the controlled dashes help for sure but if you have to dodge then youre already likely doing worse dps than normal woodie so choosing moose isnt the best compared to fighting normal form (i dont think the wereforms will get a scaling anytime soon since klei tends to not really change characters' strengths and weaknesses outside skilltrees)

He can solo it with 3 monster meat and 2 grass. There is a difference. Losing a tiny bit of dps is worthless. (Also, Weremoose has more dps than a darksword)

[Sacco]

sure let’s make weremoose even more broken.

[Sikers]

9 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said:

He can solo it with 3 monster meat and 2 grass. There is a difference. Losing a tiny bit of dps is worthless. (Also, Weremoose has more dps than a darksword)

Losing access to: healing, movement speed modifiers and all other utility items, like ice staff or pan flute in exchange of armor and slightly better dark sword, sounds like fair price.

 

Also why do acting like if Weremoose was basically free boss kill with zero effort? It's not just 3 monster meat and 2 grass, but also skill and game knowledge 

[ShadowDuelist]

45 minutes ago, Sikers said:

Losing access to: healing, movement speed modifiers and all other utility items, like ice staff or pan flute in exchange of armor and slightly better dark sword, sounds like fair price.

I think the worst part of the late game moose is that by using it you are basically picking it over the lunar/shadow tier gear as human woodie, and shadow saddle, and in most late game scenarios the new weapons and armors are just a better and even safer option.

It is fun to keep fighting as the moose as a “challenge” but it’s not really the most optimal way to fight (unless you are fighting a bunch of clumped enemies or pre rifts content of course)

It’s such a shame no wereform scales with items, I hope they fix that eventually.

[Jakepeng99]

17 hours ago, YouKnowWho142 said:

This has always been the issue with woodie, his powers are definitely more geared for early to mid game and do not mix well with rift content at all

Incorrect. His powers are meant for riff content and work extremely well against it for extreme cheap, he overpowers early game.

[somethin]

4 hours ago, ShadowDuelist said:

It’s such a shame no wereform scales with items, I hope they fix that eventually.

I mean the moose itself is arguable almost as powerful as the rift gear already. There's just no reason to scale something that's already equal in power, no? Especially when you compare the price to use to access that much power which you can get from day 1 no less.

[Mysterious box]

8 hours ago, Sacco said:

sure let’s make weremoose even more broken.

Is it really broken though? It's easier to handle most post rift content as base Woodie which feels extra bad when you need to commit to a mastery to get the full effect of the weremoose to begin with.

[Sacco]

1 minute ago, Mysterious box said:

Is it really broken though? It's easier to handle most post rift content as base Woodie which feels extra bad when you need to commit to a mastery to get the full effect of the weremoose to begin with.

i mean, you just need a bit of monster meat and grass and you got something which is comparable to post rifts’ gears, but with 0 maintenance.

[Mysterious box]

2 minutes ago, Sacco said:

i mean, you just need a bit of monster meat and grass and you got something which is comparable to post rifts’ gears, but with 0 maintenance.

Yep and all you gotta do is ignore the inability to use food, the risk of getting instant killed when transforming back, the lack of crowd control statuses like freeze and sleep, the lack of speed boosting items, and a slower attack speed. But hey at least you have a charge attack that you need to master to dodge some attacks, high defense and decently high attack surely that balances out against gear and bosses.

[ShadowDuelist]

8 hours ago, somethin said:

I mean the moose itself is arguable almost as powerful as the rift gear already. There's just no reason to scale something that's already equal in power, no? Especially when you compare the price to use to access that much power which you can get from day 1 no less.

I think it just “works” in the late game, it’s not really good. The moose provides great damage, armor, a built in dodge skill and a limited AOE all super cheaply in the early and mid game which is amazing (if you know what you are doing) You can sort of scale it with jellybeans and warly’s buffs too.
 

Once you reach the rifts stage all the rifts weapons and armors are incredibly powerful and cheap, you most likely can kite with magi and cane and you get acces to good ranged weapons, powerful beefalo and unlimited healing. The moose is outclassed in almost every scenario unless you need AOE. And the other wereforms capstone perks are even worse. If woodie would scale his wereforms based on gear he could continue to have the choice of using wereforms past the rifts era.

As a matter of fact even if they don’t scale the moose up, but they scale the goose and the beaver up instead, I think it would still be fair to switch to one of those forms in the late game.

[JustAPineapple]

21 hours ago, Sacco said:

sure let’s make weremoose even more broken.

Unironically, yeah! I think it'd be delightful for weremoose to use the jeweled crown, uber late game items go brr, ect ect.

[shaurun]

On 5/26/2025 at 12:09 AM, Jakepeng99 said:

He can solo the new boss in were moose form.

if you have god-like skills only

[Catapult 2.0]

Actually, Woodie doesn't really need buffs. His design purpose is to reach mid-game power level during early game, but the trade-off is that he can't scale with better equipment and items. This means in late game he essentially returns to Wilson's level - he's fundamentally an early-game powerhouse character.

[Waywarbler]

14 hours ago, shaurun said:

if you have god-like skills only

What? Is it that difficult to kill this boss with Weremoose? Isn't it just punching and avoiding damage with dashes (assuming you've got stars and thermals set up for the missiles)?

[shaurun]

6 minutes ago, Waywarbler said:

What? Is it that difficult to kill this boss with Weremoose? Isn't it just punching and avoiding damage with dashes (assuming you've got stars and thermals set up for the missiles)?

Yes it is. They use animation cancelation to deal more damage in shorter period of time, and kiting/dash should also be timed and positioned properly. Otherwise you'll end up with not killing the boss in time, star collar stars will be destroyed and termals cooled down. And you have no control over your inventory. 

So it's difficult unless you've trained it properly. It doesn't mean I would like weremoose to be able to wear the crown, however.

[DVGMedia]

I don't think he really should because that's the whole point of Woodie his character is meant to be strong early but then the curse actually becomes a problem later on when you don't really need it's power anymore. 

[Johnny_Waffles]

3 minutes ago, DVGMedia said:

his character is meant to be strong early but then the curse actually becomes a problem later on when you don't really need it's power anymore. 

I think that it's kinda lame that woodies upside becomes useless later in the game. Im pretty sure he's the only character like that