Wanda is not a glass canon at all.

[Cuernito.]

Well the title say it all. I think some players are confused about wanda and i understand this cause when wanda was added into the game everyone (i dont remember if the devs too) were saying she was a glass canon archetype and thus today some people still think she is the glass canon of this game. Allow me to explain myself. Wanda is not a normal glass canon like a mage, she is more like a berserker character and yes i know berserkers are some kind of glass canon too but they are really different.

The mage-glass canon archetype is really strong and poweful from the start but it has a big weakness and that is its fragility, this class is really low defense and the mages are penalized for this. Some examples of mage-glass canon could be judas from tboi game and even the item glass canon from the same game, they are really powerful mage type entities but really fragile too. This class is really powerful but every damage is a huge damage.

And the berserker-glass canon archetype is the oposite, they are not penalized for evey hit, on the contrary, they become stronger the lower they are of health, they usually have the ability to enrage to gain power for a moment, or enrage to gain power when low health. 2 examples of this archetype are samson and eve from tboi game, both of them gets stronger the lower is their health.

So in DST exist both types of "glass canons", the first one is maxwell which, in my opnion is the real glass canon, he is always low health, he doesnt become more powerful the more hits he takes, and i think klei should give him perks to lower his maximum health even more in exchange for power, yes he should be more powerful but with something witch a big risk like a perk to infuse a dark sword with even more shadow power with a curse(damage) but when doing this his max health is reduced 10 points and cause this is a curse he can't drop the sword(like an acursed trinket) and after taking 5 hits with the sword in hand the sword explodes dealing 15 points of damage to maxwell. I think with this type of skill maxwell can be the best mage glass canon in the game.

Now i think wanda should get some skills to enter some sort of panick state, only after reaching 80 years old and if she has an special new clock, if these 2 condition are met wanda is gonna explode the time-space, creating a big wave of AoE damage to all mobs around her, and after that she will lose all her inventory but the clocks and she will be teleported to a random location in the map.

I made this post cause i play with both characters a lot because they are really fun to use, and its sad how some people dont understand them, wanda is like a berserker-glass canon character, while maxwell is a mage-glass canon. They are perfect the way they are and i hope klei dont do things like nerf them cause people in this forum dont like easy life. Yeah they are really strong in the right hands, we all get it but that's not a reason to nerf them to the ground. And i hope klei add a stronger post rift version of the alarming clock, as well as stronger spells for maxwell in exchange of health.

[Johnny_Waffles]

Can we go one week without complaining about wanda

[BattleOzze]

7 minutes ago, Johnny_Waffles said:

Can we go one week without complaining about wanda

It's actually the same week over and over. Wanda just keeps rewinding time to keep the conversation about her. 

[Szczuku]

29 minutes ago, Johnny_Waffles said:

Can we go one week without complaining about wanda

This is a dst discussion forum. People are allowed to talk about stuff that you may not necessary be interested in. Just ignore threads you're not interested in instead of trying to gatekeep conversation

[Edible Coal]

37 minutes ago, Johnny_Waffles said:

Can we go one week without complaining about wanda

when you judge a book by its cover ah moment

[Gashzer]

Does Wanda do more damage if she is closer to death when compared with the rest of the roster?

[WilsonHiggs]

3 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Does Wanda do more damage if she is closer to death when compared with the rest of the roster?

If klei releases a 1k hp character does that mean that the rest of the cast become glass canons?

[Gashzer]

51 minutes ago, WilsonHiggs said:

If klei releases a 1k hp character does that mean that the rest of the cast become glass canons?

Will other characters gain extra damage for not being at 1k hp? 

[Cruvimaster]

With Wigfrid as an example, Wanda needs new powers when defeating AFW or CC.

Therefore, she should have a new weapon that of this planning damage and in multiple enemies. This weapon could have as "Shadow Thibrible" and "Enlightened Shard" ingredients (forcing Wanda to have to defeat the 2 bosses, but having a good reward for it).

 

It would be amazing if she could have a new clock to give the "slow" effect by controlling time against enemies.
 

Wanda's teleportation would need to be reformulated, but I don't know how it could be done by skill tree.

In addition, Wanda must be the only character who has no new skins for her clocks.

[Mike23Ua]

No, she’s not a glass canon. In fact she would actually probably be considered an Insult to people who enjoy playing as Glass Canons.

But she “Is” still an interesting and unique playable character, even if she isn’t a true glass canon.

[Cruvimaster]

And I don't care about this glass cannon nonsense.

I want Wanda to be an excellent space-time controller.

[Gashzer]

47 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

No, she’s not a glass canon. In fact she would actually probably be considered an Insult to people who enjoy playing as Glass Canons.

But she “Is” still an interesting and unique playable character, even if she isn’t a true glass canon.

Define glass cannon for us all.

[WilsonHiggs]

2 hours ago, Gashzer said:

Will other characters gain extra damage for not being at 1k hp? 

By saying that you show you don't understand what glass canon means

[Gashzer]

3 minutes ago, WilsonHiggs said:

By saying that you show you don't understand what glass canon means

I don't please explain glass cannon to me.

[WilsonHiggs]

28 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

I don't please explain glass cannon to me.

•Fragile•. A character can't be fragile if can't be hit or if can evade being fragile by, for example, wearing an armor that reduces 95% of damage or, in the case of Maxwell, not only can wear that armor but ride a beefalo rising his 75hp into 1000hp. We also have the case of Walter which sanity is punished by getting hit but not only he can resist many hits, he can kill shadows by holding F or how now his atack speed is fast enough to hit without much delay

 

Videogames with good glass canon characters which are well implemented into the content either have ways to deal damage from distance or gap closers, ways to block projectiles or the character has slow atack animation to counter the ranged characters,  don't allow the characters that are supposed to deal a lot of damage but be fragile to reach high defenses 

They added perks for 13 years old content and call it the day

With some luck Klei won't rise the planar defense with perks added with shoe horn to make them more resistance and will start to revisit old content to adapt it into the new era

[Sikers]

The problem with glass cannons in dst is that the armors and healing are simply too powerful. Maxwell's 75hp doesn't really matter, because with 90/95% damage reduction, there's still a planty of room for error. Also the fact that two so-called "glass cannons" can use Night Armor without penalty doesn't help either. To make a real glass cannon we need character/skill that rewards you for playing armor-less or maybe something similar to Woodies transformation, but with high dps instead of dmg reduction

[WilsonHiggs]

1 minute ago, Sikers said:

The problem with glass cannons in dst is that the armors and healing are simply too powerful. Maxwell's 75hp doesn't really matter, because with 90/95% damage reduction, there's still a planty of room for error. Also the fact that two so-called "glass cannons" can use Night Armor without penalty doesn't help either. To make a real glass cannon we need character/skill that rewards you for playing armor-less or maybe something similar to Woodies transformation, but with high dps instead of dmg reduction

Klei shouldn't make a new rift armor that gives 90% armor and more planar defense neither give cheap raw planar stats on skill trees

[Wawchik]

20 minutes ago, Sikers said:

something similar to Woodies transformation, but with high dps instead of dmg reduction

Wilba 

[Valase]

huh, Maxwell "the mage glass cannon" has access to both the same kind of armors that wanda has (shadow, dreadstone, thul), as well as being able to tame a beef without any major downside (since most of his power comes from his spells, that get stronger with shadow clothing).

While Wanda needs to be on lower health to achieve her max potential, but most of the time she achieves that low health by either taking itentional damage from low threat mobs or by chugging red caps/monster meat.

 

7 hours ago, Szczuku said:

This is a dst discussion forum. People are allowed to talk about stuff that you may not necessary be interested in. Just ignore threads you're not interested in instead of trying to gatekeep conversation

Yeah but if it those threads were any kind of productive, people would comment on the latest one instead of making a new one.

All in all, they should just make a "Wanda is X" megathread, and we would see it shrivel up and die because there is no new arguments.

Edited May 11, 2025 by Valase
sent it before I had finished

[WilsonHiggs]

2 hours ago, Valase said:

huh, Maxwell "the mage glass cannon" has access to both the same kind of armors that wanda has (shadow, dreadstone, thul), as well as being able to tame a beef without any major downside (since most of his power comes from his spells, that get stronger with shadow clothing).

While Wanda needs to be on lower health to achieve her max potential, but most of the time she achieves that low health by either taking itentional damage from low threat mobs or by chugging red caps/monster meat.

 

Yeah but if it those threads were any kind of productive, people would comment on the latest one instead of making a new one.

All in all, they should just make a "Wanda is X" megathread, and we would see it shrivel up and die because there is no new arguments.

I get that is very repetitive to always see the same post over and over but saying they aren't productive... I see less productive the comments that only critics the topic but doesn't give any good argument against it

[Mike23Ua]

6 hours ago, Gashzer said:

Define glass cannon for us all.

I’m pretty sure that a lot of people already know what a glass canon is, but for those that do not: it’s a character that is “squishy” at all times,  squishy means that they are intentionally easy to kill & never at any point of gameplay can they be more resilient then normal or other more stronger characters.

A glass canon can be stronger then even the strong playstyle characters, but they’re usually balanced out with things like not being able to wear any armor, can’t drink on the go health potions so they can only heal at designated stationary healing stations, etc…

These characters are defined by how easy it is to kill them, and also how hard it can be to kill them if the player is good at avoiding taking damage.

Wanda has several things that immediately remove her from this role, she can heal on cooldown but overall still has more Hp then Wes or Maxwell & can even be played in “normal” form, she can wear head & body armors to protect herself from being too “squishy” and perhaps most importantly: she can trivialize many areas of the game by never actually being at any risk by with things like never needing a booster shot to restore hp, never needing to make sure she has enough hp to craft telltale hearts to revive other players, etc.

With all this said: Wanda is still a fun and interesting character, but she’s no Glass Canon.

[Gashzer]

5 hours ago, WilsonHiggs said:

•Fragile•. A character can't be fragile if can't be hit or if can evade being fragile by, for example, wearing an armor that reduces 95% of damage or, in the case of Maxwell, not only can wear that armor but ride a beefalo rising his 75hp into 1000hp. We also have the case of Walter which sanity is punished by getting hit but not only he can resist many hits, he can kill shadows by holding F or how now his atack speed is fast enough to hit without much delay

 

Videogames with good glass canon characters which are well implemented into the content either have ways to deal damage from distance or gap closers, ways to block projectiles or the character has slow atack animation to counter the ranged characters,  don't allow the characters that are supposed to deal a lot of damage but be fragile to reach high defenses 

They added perks for 13 years old content and call it the day

With some luck Klei won't rise the planar defense with perks added with shoe horn to make them more resistance and will start to revisit old content to adapt it into the new era

Old wanda has 4 times less max hp than Wilson, this is fragile.

You do realise needing to put in extra work to get around the fragility of Wanda proves her glass cannon nature. Most other characters can happy dandy start fighting bosses with football helmets, if you want to maximize damage by being old wanda from the start of the boss fight, most sensible people that don't want to die make sure to get night armour, isn't this true?

Ah yes let me tame a beefalo, which is the most tedious mechanic in the entire franchise, to get over maxwells downside.... this proves how bad lower hp actually is when you need to tame a beefalo to get around it.

Forum users have been conditioned over 1000s of hours to think beefalo taming isn't tedious... beefalos have made you guys their prisoners lol

 

[Valase]

50 minutes ago, WilsonHiggs said:

I see less productive the comments that only critics the topic but doesn't give any good argument against it

Okay, I'll be very frank.

Glass cannon deals a lot of damage and takes a lot of damage due low defense.

his arguments about how Maxwell is a glass tank is flawed at best, since he does not need to sacrifice anything to deal extra damage, while his argument on wanda "beserk" ignores the point of the post and ignore that Wanda already works that way, the older she is the more damage she deals. He wants that when she gets ~1hp left she can explode or something.

Just adding an armor or headpiece that has -30% defense and makes the character/mechanic deals extra damage would go further away than giving them another weapon, since even if you give wanda a word that deals max clock damage, she still has both a shadow armor and a thulecite crown to soak any damage.

in fact, the CC crown is almost like that, you sacrifice your helmet slot for the extra damage, but usually the sanity dishes that you need ass well also pack some healing too.

 

[Gashzer]

1 minute ago, Mike23Ua said:

I’m pretty sure that a lot of people already know what a glass canon is, but for those that do not: it’s a character that is “squishy” at all times,  squishy means that they are intentionally easy to kill & never at any point of gameplay can they be more resilient then normal or other more stronger characters.

Why do they need to be squishy at all times? You declared that the rule? 

In elden ring, I can equip talismans that increase my damage output at <20% Hp but still have 1600 max hp. I can choose to seppuku myself down to that before starting a boss fight as a glass cannon or I can take a hit or 2 to become glass cannon during the fight. Exactly the same as Wanda in DST.

Even if I run 10 vigor, I can equip talismans to boost max hp and ritual shield talisman so I'm not a glass cannon anymore....

This rigid idea about glass cannons is wrong and even if you are technically right, Klei and fromsoft shouldn't make a true glass cannon because it's terrible gameplay design.

 

[Wawchik]

23 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Old wanda has 4 times less max hp than Wilson, this is fragile.

You do realise needing to put in extra work to get around the fragility of Wanda proves her glass cannon nature. Most other characters can happy dandy start fighting bosses with football helmets, if you want to maximize damage by being old wanda from the start of the boss fight, most sensible people that don't want to die make sure to get night armour, isn't this true?

1. Wanda player HAS to make a shadow manipulator to make the alarming clock, so you always have the option to craft the night armour, while other characters aren't forced to make one (except Maxwell) 

2. Night armour doesn't drain sanity for Wanda, so she can take full advantage of it without having to deal with nightmare creatures mid fight

3. 750 hp is still a lot, Walter with 95% armour can tank a hit from almost every boss before getting bucked off by Woby, I think it shows how protective the armour is

23 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Ah yes let me tame a beefalo, which is the most tedious mechanic in the entire franchise, to get over maxwells downside.... this proves how bad lower hp actually is when you need to tame a beefalo to get around it.

Forum users have been conditioned over 1000s of hours to think beefalo taming isn't tedious... beefalos have made you guys their prisoners lol

 

Just because you hate beefalos doesn't make the fact that if Maxwell tames a beefalo he becomes both a tank and a cannon wrong. This is just your opinion now, not even a valid argument

16 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Why do they need to be squishy at all times? You declared that the rule? 

You literally asked people to define glass cannon, fragile but strong. 

16 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

In elden ring, I can equip talismans that increase my damage output at <20% Hp but still have 1600 max hp. I can choose to seppuku myself down to that before starting a boss fight as a glass cannon or I can take a hit or 2 to become glass cannon during the fight. Exactly the same as Wanda in DST.

Ima be real with y'all, I didn't play Elden, but if I understand correctly that's not a glass cannon, if a tank gets a damage boost at 20% health would you call him a glass cannon? This is just funny, you can't BECOME a glass cannon mid fight and this is very different to Wanda, because your example just sounds like a simple damage boost, not intentionally staying at low health to deal high damage. 

16 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

This rigid idea about glass cannons is wrong and even if you are technically right, Klei and fromsoft shouldn't make a true glass cannon because it's terrible gameplay design.

Wow what an argument

"It's bad gameplay design guys" just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's bad design

Edited May 11, 2025 by Wawchik