Alternative way of getting grass tufts: Gecko Shavation.

[Walrusst]

I've seen a lot of groups declare they want to quit on seeing a grass gecko world in recent memory, so I just got a concept for trying to alleviate this by making geckos a clever source of plantable grass tufts.

• Sleeping geckos can be snuck up on with you being able to shave their grass mohawk to get a grass tuft.
• Geckos which have been shaved are slower and less motivated than geckos that haven't been shaved, they don't give grass when they run away for a while and are more vulnerable to predators due to their loss of speed.
• Unlike the fast regrowing gecko tails, the mohawk takes 15 days to regrow.

With this, in worlds which seem bad due to a lack of grass tufts people are at least able to get starter tufts by taking the pan flute from glommers statue down to a gecko herd to get a sizeable number of quick and easy grass tufts, allowing the player base to be started even in worlds where doing so would be slow.

While I can enjoy gecko worlds a lot personally, its difficult to play them when groups quit out due to personal taste/other gameplay issues this doesn't solve (Like not finding grass for a night one light source....)

[mima_]

well CMIIW, in the research paper wagstaff dropped with his machinery said that grass gecko have potential to mutate. maybe sometime later they will have a variant due to rift.

and maybe they will give something rarer like grass tuft

 

[Spunney]

This is such a non-issue. Grass tufts always still spawn in the caves

[Ginosaji]

it would be a non-issue if regrowth for basic resources would be on by default, but it isn't and thus the only bit that's left from the much disliked disease mechanic are geckos which over time take grass tufts out of the game as you get more geckos.

berry bushes and saplings no longer disease. probably because it didn't create a new source to acquire twigs because twiggy trees exist in every world and berry bushes aren't important enough to veterans in the mid to late game.

wasn't the idea to this disease that the world would continuously cycle through different sources of basic resources? like geckos could've planted themselves again to regular tufts after a while similarly to how a spider queen plants itself to create a new tier 1 nest.

as with a lot of things in dst klei just didn't implement a mechanic properly and then rolls it back years later. to this day we're stuck with gecko morphing which is hated by a lot of people because wickerbottom books don't work and the shadow reaper made grass faster to harvest.

and once the geckos are slowly killed off by the world over it's life span by tallbirds, hounds, killer bees etc, grass from tufts will disappear for good.

[Swiyss]

I like this idea somewhat, but I still don't think the solution is 100.

Geckos have a different sleep pattern, they sleep in the day, and only at some parts of the day, they also wouldn't be scared away if this mechanic needed to be implemented which is something needed to do to collect grass.

I think Klei just need to make grass gators drop grass. That would solve a whole bunch of issues.

And while you still can pen geckos and make a farm out of them, I understand that your frustration comes from not having the tuft itself. So if that's your actual concern, then I think it would be better if there was a way to attract grass gators, and then shave them for 5-7 tufts every 3 days, I think this would be more interesting.

[Walrusst]

14 minutes ago, astareus said:

I like this idea somewhat, but I still don't think the solution is 100.

Geckos have a different sleep pattern, they sleep in the day, and only at some parts of the day, they also wouldn't be scared away if this mechanic needed to be implemented which is something needed to do to collect grass.

I think Klei just need to make grass gators drop grass. That would solve a whole bunch of issues.

And while you still can pen geckos and make a farm out of them, I understand that your frustration comes from not having the tuft itself. So if that's your actual concern, then I think it would be better if there was a way to attract grass gators, and then shave them for 5-7 tufts every 3 days, I think this would be more interesting.

I had assumed it would only work for artificially induced sleep like darts/pan flute. Didn't communicate that well enough....

My ideas that were probably better for my frustrations with players being overly attached to certain world gen styles because certain resources can make being a late join more frustrating I legitimately overcomplicated in the past.

This was a stab at adding a method of manually regrowing a world in a way that was manual, fair, adds use to underutilized items (Like sleep darts,) and addresses like a third of my perceived pain points rather than  trying too cover everything with some all encompassing idea that turns into an essay.

Other things I like about this idea is just being able to ranch grass geckos, getting new tufts means you can reproduce them, the geckos dying is less of a long term world nerf.

[Swiyss]

1 minute ago, Walrusst said:

I had assumed it would only work for artificially induced sleep like darts/pan flute. Didn't communicate that well enough....

My ideas that were probably better for my frustrations with players being overly attached to certain world gen styles because certain resources can make being a late join more frustrating I legitimately overcomplicated in the past.

This was a stab at adding a method of manually regrowing a world in a way that was manual, fair, adds use to underutilized items (Like sleep darts,) and addresses like a third of my perceived pain points rather than  trying too cover everything with some all encompassing idea that turns into an essay.

oh okay..

So what if Klei just adds an item called the "blowpipe" and made you craft the darts separated instead, and each craft would grant 3 or 4 darts instead of 1?

Then shooting a grass gecko specifically with a sleep dart would put it into an animation where it automatically tries to run while asleep, then the tuft drops and then they sleep. One tuft per gecko every 15 days, and all geckos that were harvested like this would not produce grass for the 15 days.

[Walrusst]

Pretty much the same as my idea minus the razor.

I feel like a blowpipe rework would be inviting some astonishingly negative attitudes even if we have gone through this before in shipwrecked....
Remember when the speargun used to be blowdarts reskinned?
Its not intrinsically a bad idea, its just something that would cause a riot.

After we've  gone through an iteration of enemy refreshes it would be hype.

[AuRuS]

It would be cool however I feel like there is absolutely no way you are ever running out of grass tufts in a world (unless some tragedy happens like burning of 200 of them) as the grass geckos spawn rarely and at some point you stop collecting grass manually and start using autofarms so you are not wasting anymore grass tufts for the transformations.

Neat idea but it's not like we need it asap to solve a grass shortage on long-term worlds

[Cheggf]

If people are currently regenning worlds because they see that it's grass geckos they are going to regen just as hard if they see that they need to waste a bunch of pan flute uses shaving geckos so they can manually plant grass tufts. Going into the caves is a far easier, cheaper, and faster way to get grass tufts.

The real truth nuke is that grass gekko worlds, and twiggy tree worlds, and juicy berry worlds, are just boring and make the game less diverse for seemingly no reason. I have no idea why worlds are set up to generate basically exclusively with one resource or the other instead of just introducing the alternate resources as a rare variant, like 5-10% of saplings/berries are twiggy trees/juicy berries, and there's a herd of grass geckos somewhere in the world.

[Walrusst]

I do feel like there should be more 40-65% presets between the resources for sure.
Something where you are hurt in the normal resource but there is a slightly over-compensating amount of the alternative version of the resource as well.