Asvin Posted March 21, 2025 Share Posted March 21, 2025 Resently I started a playing as a wortox. After I played for a while and activated shadow rifts I found ickers. I already had brightshade sword so I killed it but I was surprised to see what it dropped soul. Aren’t ickers arr just piles of trash merget with nightmare fuel goo. If they are, I thubk it would be more logical for them not to drop souls just as others soulless nightmare creatures. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164988-ickers-shouldn%E2%80%99t-have-souls/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waywarbler Posted March 21, 2025 Share Posted March 21, 2025 Maybe Icker is just THAT sticky, it traps souls inside? :P Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164988-ickers-shouldn%E2%80%99t-have-souls/#findComment-1808522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larael Posted March 21, 2025 Share Posted March 21, 2025 Wanna know something funny ickers should give 4 souls cus they are 4 different entities merged :3 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164988-ickers-shouldn%E2%80%99t-have-souls/#findComment-1808532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranoze Posted March 22, 2025 Share Posted March 22, 2025 10 hours ago, Larael said: entities merged :3 i think you should read this post more clearly. He say it 18 hours ago, Asvin said: others soulless nightmare creatures. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164988-ickers-shouldn%E2%80%99t-have-souls/#findComment-1808572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larael Posted March 22, 2025 Share Posted March 22, 2025 5 hours ago, Tranoze said: 16 hours ago, Larael said: entities merged :3 i think you should read this post more clearly True true mb sorry xD. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164988-ickers-shouldn%E2%80%99t-have-souls/#findComment-1808601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echsrick Posted March 22, 2025 Share Posted March 22, 2025 would not realy change alot, bytheway, dit you know that killing ghost drops there souls? implies that ghost can infact die twice Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164988-ickers-shouldn%E2%80%99t-have-souls/#findComment-1808605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asvin Posted March 25, 2025 Author Share Posted March 25, 2025 The gosts drop souls because after they died, wheir soul became trapped in the constant, and got a new form from lunar side (As we know at full moon from all graves gost spawns. Defenetly power of the moon). So even though they lost their bodies body, they still have a soul. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164988-ickers-shouldn%E2%80%99t-have-souls/#findComment-1809165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollow soul 3 Posted March 25, 2025 Share Posted March 25, 2025 Some nightmare creatures have souls. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164988-ickers-shouldn%E2%80%99t-have-souls/#findComment-1809167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asvin Posted March 25, 2025 Author Share Posted March 25, 2025 2 minutes ago, Hollow soul 3 said: Some nightmare creatures have souls. We can say what all shadow alliened creatures consist or from something like hive-mind of Them, or shadows mixed with souls of living things. Regular nightmare enemies like crawling horror or terrorbeak don't drop souls because they consist only from Them. Right now where is a little mess between nightmare creatures which have a soul absorbed or contained in them and which don't. 9 minutes ago, Hollow soul 3 said: Some nightmare creatures have souls. Ancient fuelweaver and lil shadow creatures which he spawns drop souls because it's not only shadow hive-mid creature but also a mind trapped inside, indicating presence of the soul. Right now I thing it's espesiallly strange what something like ickers or shadow mimics chest drop souls, but Shriek, Rasp and Jitters,(three nightmare creatures which apppear when the nighmare rift is actie don't. Shadow Maul (Axe) and Shadow Reaper (braid) can talk and Shadow Reaper has a quote, that it used to be a farmer, showing that at some point it was a regular creature, therefore with a soul, therefore it's trapped/captured inside the dark tatters which only whese three guys drop and Fused Shadeling (explosive shadows from the main Shadow Rift) don't. That's why I think where should be a clear difference between soulless nightmare creatures and ones with someones soul inside. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164988-ickers-shouldn%E2%80%99t-have-souls/#findComment-1809169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimplyGoose Posted March 25, 2025 Share Posted March 25, 2025 Kind of off topic, but a survivor can die, Wortox can then collect their soul, eat it, then revive them. Seems that the survivors souls grow back. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164988-ickers-shouldn%E2%80%99t-have-souls/#findComment-1809181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilsonHiggs Posted March 25, 2025 Share Posted March 25, 2025 What about random number of souls from 0 to 3 or 4? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164988-ickers-shouldn%E2%80%99t-have-souls/#findComment-1809183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castiliano Posted March 26, 2025 Share Posted March 26, 2025 totally yes when I first saw it I was like WAIT, DOES THIS DROPS SOUL? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164988-ickers-shouldn%E2%80%99t-have-souls/#findComment-1809290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asvin Posted March 26, 2025 Author Share Posted March 26, 2025 17 hours ago, GimplyGoose said: Kind of off topic, but a survivor can die, Wortox can then collect their soul, eat it, then revive them. Seems that the survivors souls grow back. 17 hours ago, WilsonHiggs said: What about random number of souls from 0 to 3 or 4? I think souls might be something like a power of usual living creatures, but maybe not the mind of the creature, so players "soul power" can be retured by resuracting a player I belive. And giants have multiple souls becouse their as I "soul power" is higher than other living things. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164988-ickers-shouldn%E2%80%99t-have-souls/#findComment-1809292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollow soul 3 Posted March 26, 2025 Share Posted March 26, 2025 5 minutes ago, Asvin said: I think souls might be something like a power of usual living creatures, but maybe not the mind of the creature, so players "soul power" can be returned by resurrecting a player I believe. And giants have multiple souls because their as I "soul power" is higher than other living things. I think I heard someone mention the devs talking about this a little on a stream. I think you have the lore accurate reason. I don't have any way to verify though. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164988-ickers-shouldn%E2%80%99t-have-souls/#findComment-1809294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asvin Posted March 26, 2025 Author Share Posted March 26, 2025 I think may be right to say what soulds are not like essensial part of a living thing, it's consciousness but living power, just like nightmare fuel and lunar power it can be used defferently by wortox to teleport and sustain his stats and by willow to create flames. It's would also explain why lunar and shadow powers often posses living creature, to mix their power and soul power to get stronger Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164988-ickers-shouldn%E2%80%99t-have-souls/#findComment-1809295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radicaljoe Posted March 27, 2025 Share Posted March 27, 2025 Souls is a weird metric, sometimes it works as "life essence" sometimes it works as "energy in a creature" Like, shadow pieces don't drop souls, but using their heart on a pile of old bones it suddenly drops souls. And on top of that it drops several souls so its a measure of energy. So for some reason, shadow pieces are measured using life essence, and fuel weaver is measured using energy. Webber drops 2 because spider and boy, but WX drops none so Webber is twice as alive as WX. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164988-ickers-shouldn%E2%80%99t-have-souls/#findComment-1809417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollow soul 3 Posted March 27, 2025 Share Posted March 27, 2025 On 3/25/2025 at 5:53 PM, Asvin said: Shadow Reaper has a quote, that it used to be a farmer Wouldn't it be kind of funny if the shadow reaper dropped a soul when it broke Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164988-ickers-shouldn%E2%80%99t-have-souls/#findComment-1809461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asvin Posted March 30, 2025 Author Share Posted March 30, 2025 On 3/27/2025 at 5:18 PM, Hollow soul 3 said: Wouldn't it be kind of funny if the shadow reaper dropped a soul when it broke would be funny, but it doesn't die but only loses it's durability, so this can't happen Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164988-ickers-shouldn%E2%80%99t-have-souls/#findComment-1809969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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