Webber Skill Tree Ideas?

[chloraei]

Hi everyone,

Since we're finally moving on from the current beta, I thought I'd share some ideas I had for a Webber skill-tree. In general, I think that the Webber skill-tree will be a mix a spider themed skills and art-and-crafts themed skills, although considering how Klei has leaned into character lore in the past (ie Wigfrid's Beefalo skills) I can also see his background as a farmer coming into play.

 

These two objects have already been implemented in the past, so I think they would be the easiest and most obvious items to add to the game:

Shamlet Mask – Allows Webber to walk in range of pigmen and bunnymen without triggering their aggro

Webbed Flooring – Slows down ground mobs while giving Webber an extra speed buff

 

Egg Sack Upgrades

Infestation – Allows Webber to infest great trees, mushtrees, and stalagmites with spider eggs to create new spider dens.

Carrying Sack – Allows Webber to store spiders in spider eggs; can be thrown at enemies to release all spiders in sack for one-time use (think napsack); this skill would help with the lag issues that come with playing as Webber:

     Tier 1 – carries 5 spiders (equivalent to tier 1 spider den)

     Tier 2 – carries 10 spiders (equivalent to tier 2 spider den)

     Tier 3 – carries 15 spiders (equivalent to tier 3 spider den)

 

Shadow Affinity Skills

(Pre-FW defeat; a set amount of skills must be unlocked to get post-FW skill)

Spitter – Gives Webber a range attack similar to the spitter class; range can be upgraded

Dweller – Gives Webber a jump attack against enemies (Think Wigfrid’s charged elden spear attack, but with less damage); Damage can be upgraded

(Post-FW)

Corrupted Queen – Use pure horror to corrupt a spider queen, giving her special shadow abilities and defense against lunar aligned mobs

 

Lunar Affinity Skills

(Pre-CC defeat; a set amount of skills must be unlocked to get post-CC skill)

Strider – Allows Webber to walk on water for a few seconds; duration can be upgraded

Shatter – Gives Webber a range attack similar to the shatter class; damage can be upgraded

(Post-CC)

Mutant Queen – Use pure brilliance to mutate a spider queen, giving her special lunar abilities and defense against shadow aligned mobs

 

Let me know what you guys think, and what other skills you hope to see :)

[aidancode]

I don't think Webber has any reason to be able to walk near pigs. IMO Webber would do great with the ability to target his army to specific places.

Stink Bomb - 2 for a mosquito sack and 2 rot

Thrown like a water balloon. Spiders will aggro on anything within the small area.

Leaves a stink cloud behind for 10 seconds. Spiders in the cloud do 20% more damage and take 10% less.

Webber can use a switcherdoodle on a stink bomb to convert it into a spider-specific stink bomb that will only affect a specific type of spider.

something like this

[chenxx]

 

 

 

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free to use these tansparent background png or gif

 

[chenxx]

13 hours ago, chloraei said:

 

Egg Sack Upgrades

Infestation – Allows Webber to infest great trees, mushtrees, and stalagmites with spider eggs to create new spider dens.

 

 

 

I like this idea.

I pictured a infested boulder.

different infestion spawn different spider, 

[Dr.Webber]

Got some really interesting ideas I’d be honored if you help me fill out the empty spaces of my skill tree also feel free to let me know if there’s any changes to what’s currently there do you think should be made:

 

skill tree:

 

 

(befriended nurse spider to unlock)

• Unbreakable friendship: Make decorated dens  not break when attacked and spiders in the  Bedazzled range only attack attackers and nurses spawn from tier 3 + decorated dens ground webs no longer reduce

 

(Befriend all spider types)

• Beneficial bite : teach spiders how to “chop/mine” with each having the efficiency of a pig by demonstrating it done normally so they make the connection between that and them breaking down stuff + they eat yucuse snot now when you’re stuck 
     

 

• Silk harvester: razors can be used to remove webbing from tiles dropping two

• Rapid Growth: Webber can upgrade dens with 4 silk instead of 5 silk

 

 

 

• Regeneration sensitization:increase stats from nurse spiders for Webber(15 hp)

• Nocturnally adept: partial night vision  (sense spiders walk around at night) only silhouettes  not enough to not be attacked by Charlie but enough to  see where your going, reduced sanity lose from dusk or night              60-80% during dawn and 40-60% during night.

 

 

• Deep den sleeper:Stats for sleeping in dens to 2 health and 3 health per second 

• No picky eater: Webber has the ability to eat pig skin, bunny puffs, or any non human edible meats that pigs and spiders eat for 50-60 hunger

 

 

 

 

• Den Relocation: Tier 1 dens can be picked up by Webber and relocated (affects Decorated Dens + can remove and relocate the stickers)(pulled from @JJ0264)

 

• Unnatural brood: You are now able to craft the itsy bitsy nest reusing the baby spiders from the forge and they fill up a Polar Bearger Bin like item called the itsy bitsy nest and they would act as distractions somewhat like the parasitic shading  but the victim wouldn’t be immune to damage they each could only be outside the itsy bitsy nest for a total of 8 minutes after that they return to the itsy bitsy nest and nap and they’ll need to charge back up before using them again so they hunger durability that can be refilled using meat, honey, or electric milk/monster milk similar to the eye mask, but you decide if,when,and how many you takeout at a time so you can have them out over the course of multiple days without needing to recharge them. If you’re smart about it, also depending on what beard skin you have on will determine what they look like  they would look like tiny versions of what spiders from a den that has a queen that looks like that beards respective Webber skin as well as the egg sack having the same color,you get 6 slots with 12-20 second cool down until you can spawn the next one and they would do 9 damage,have 7 hp, upon death one will respond every 90 seconds 

(You need this to craft other 3 crafts and after the first 4 uses you need to replace the den decorating set for five more uses each time you run out)

8 silk, 3 paper, and 1 spider egg, 1 den decorating set,24 health

 

Concept examples:

 

 

 

 

 

 

(like this except they smile like befriended spiders)

 

 

 

 

 

 

• Carecrafts :  (unnatural brood required)

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homemade den: You can make a homemade den if you place a cookie in the homemade den it will turn 2 spiders into that type, every time the den has a spider added it lose 1% durability, you can find out how much durability there is by inspecting, and you can repair it using silk but maybe by 2-5%. it has 12 spiders with the inventory of a scaled chest but for spiders only it’ll take 90 seconds for each spider to respawn

it will spawn that Webbing Wickerbottom spawns with Overcoming Arachnophobia around it

 craft of the homemade den  with some number of bone shards and silk to make a sort of kit when you add a purple gem, a lightning conductor and one use of the den decorating set, you could also call the spiders out of the den by interacting with it

And it can be broken using a hammer

 

 

• Silkcrafts:

Silk shooter: 

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Silk spindle:@blacknight7890 came up with an idea I re named it and changed its look but other then that it’s all there’s Learn to craft a 'Silk spindle', [like a giant spindle with spider hair and  a finial on it (with white string when silk is on it)] a structure that can be placed near decorated spider dens. Spiders will spin webs onto it over time, can be harvested for silk." [passive silk farming]

 

finial looks like this:

 

 

• Sharing is caring: Webber can give players the shoebox and they could only use it for its calling off aggressive spider function

 

 

 

 

  

 

• Garden spider :farm like Webber does in the gorge and learn more from the gardeneer hat

 

(Icon borrowed from @BiddoBams’ Warly skill tree)

• Spider Goatherder: learn to milk volt goats that won’t be disturbed by Webber anymore and calm charged volt goats by feeding them any number of Wobsters, bananas,meat,Burch nuts, pomegranates,eggs, Asparagus, pumpkin seeds (doing this while not charged will make them follow you for a short period time to allow for easier relocation)

 

 

 

 

• Silk stitch: You can now repair things with silk like Winona’s trusty tape

 

• acidophilic arachnid: when in acid rain Webber gets: 

 

Attack Damage	Physical DamageTaken	Move Speed
+5%	-2.5%	+1.5%

 

• Queen decorator: you can now decorate spider queen that will give her all the same effects of a decorated den(if you have unbreakable friendship, decorations won’t fall off when hit and will only attack attackers), when fighting nearby, spider queen will send over befriended nurse spiders to your aid

 

• Animalistic arachnid: Webber has the same all fours running ability as Wilbur and wonkey, when you fight bare handed you use your claws doing double the normal amount of damage

 

• In the spirit of friendship: When dying with Webber will drop 2 spider glands, spiders will disperse when Webber dies then meet back up with him when he revives staying loyal the whole time

 

• Garden spiders:

Flame touched spiders:  has built in scale mail as well as can cook

Switcherdoodle: 2 monster meat, 2 silk, 2 fire nettle fronds

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 Alignments:

 

     

shadow spider care:

 

The Queen will reward your loyalty with  the recipe to help your spider friends evade dangers

 

 2 monster meat, 3 silk, and 4 dark pedals

The shadow spider is a spider that will teleport like shadow creatures after attacking. They also have faster walking and attack speed then normal spiders, have 450 health, and deal 30 damage.

 

 

You can power spiders by using a new item called _____

After biting a mob That mob will receive 25 planar and normal damage for the next four minutes with mobs of the opposing alignment receiving an extra 10 planar damage per minute and the spider will lose they’re power until next time you power the spiders

 

 

 

 

 

Lunar spider care: 

 

 

The cryptic founder will reward your curiosity, with  the recipe to help your spider friends blitz dangers

 

 2 monster meat, 3 silk, and 4 lune tree blossoms 

The lunar spider is a spider that will move like greater gestalts when attacking (Wigfrid’s elding spear ability, but with a larger range). They also have faster walking and attack speed then normal spiders, have 450 health, and deal 30 damage.

 

You can power spiders by using a new item called _____

After biting a mob That mob will receive 25 planar and normal damage for the next four minutes with mobs of the opposing alignment receiving an extra 10 planar damage per minute and the spider will lose they’re power until next time you power the spiders

 

[chenxx]

 

2 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

 

 

• Garden spiders:

Flame touched spiders:  has built in scale mail as well as can cook

Switcherdoodle: 2 monster meat, 2 silk, 2 fire nettle fronds

 

 

I have to say, my favorite idea here is the Flame-Touched Spiders! It’s such a cool concept, and I love how it would make Webber’s cave exploration warmer and safer. It feels like a perfect fit for his character. so I draw a concept art of this.

Unfortunately, I’m all out of ideas for now, but I’m really excited to see what other people come up with. Great job on these suggestions!

[chloraei]

4 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Queen decorator: you can now decorate spider queen that will give her all the same effects of a decorated den(if you have unbreakable friendship, decorations won’t fall off when hit and will only attack attackers), when fighting nearby, spider queen will send over befriended nurse spiders to your aid

Perhaps this could be something like 'Friendship Bracelet'? Like Webber crafts a bracelet item then places it on the queen he's 'decorating'.

[chloraei]

19 hours ago, chloraei said:

Infestation – Allows Webber to infest great trees, mushtrees, and stalagmites with spider eggs to create new spider dens.

Also I’ve just realized for shattered dens, Webber could infest meteor boulders.

[Dr.Webber]

8 hours ago, chenxx said:

 

I have to say, my favorite idea here is the Flame-Touched Spiders! It’s such a cool concept, and I love how it would make Webber’s cave exploration warmer and safer. It feels like a perfect fit for his character. so I draw a concept art of this.

Unfortunately, I’m all out of ideas for now, but I’m really excited to see what other people come up with. Great job on these suggestions!

Could you add a third pair of legs that have either pinchers or hands

[YouKnowWho142]

This is really goofy but I’d love if Webber got whistle commands like pikmin. Something like a dodge roll for self and spiders, spider charge, commands to separate by spider type, return spiders to webber, that sort of thing

also just better ways to store and manage spiders. There is a similar comparison i can make here but I think I’ve made my point

[chenxx]

3 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Could you add a third pair of legs that have either pinchers or hands

[Dr.Webber]

1 hour ago, YouKnowWho142 said:

This is really goofy but I’d love if Webber got whistle commands like pikmin. Something like a dodge roll for self and spiders, spider charge, commands to separate by spider type, return spiders to webber, that sort of thing

also just better ways to store and manage spiders. There is a similar comparison i can make here but I think I’ve made my point

Good idea any more details?

[YouKnowWho142]

3 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

Good idea any more details?

I guess to be specific maybe a sort of artificial spider den that is designed to store friendly spiders so you can bring out the types of spiders you need. My least favorite part of playing Webber is working so hard to amass an army and then when I disperse them if you don’t cheese them with fenced off pigskin they’re kind of just gone. I’d rather work hard to gather a horde of a specific type of spider and then obtain some method of storing all of them, probably with an upkeep or something 

[Dr.Webber]

13 minutes ago, YouKnowWho142 said:

I guess to be specific maybe a sort of artificial spider den that is designed to store friendly spiders so you can bring out the types of spiders you need. My least favorite part of playing Webber is working so hard to amass an army and then when I disperse them if you don’t cheese them with fenced off pigskin they’re kind of just gone. I’d rather work hard to gather a horde of a specific type of spider and then obtain some method of storing all of them, probably with an upkeep or something 

I was talking about the Whistler idea, but I actually have a similar idea in this craft:

 

homemade den: You can make a homemade den if you place a cookie in the homemade den it will turn 2 spiders into that type, every time the den has a spider added it lose 1% durability, you can find out how much durability there is by inspecting, and you can repair it using silk but maybe by 2-5%. it has 12 spiders with the inventory of a scaled chest but for spiders only, it’ll take 90 seconds for each spider to respawn it (and how it will respawn a spider after the 90 seconds is the lightning conductor purple gem combination will cause lightning to strike around up in the respawned to spider crawl out of the ground like rapid king as a reference to how you unlock Webber in solo Don’t Starve)

it will spawn that Webbing Wickerbottom spawns with Overcoming Arachnophobia around it, craft the homemade den  with some number of bone shards and silk to make a sort of kit when you add a purple gem, a lightning conductor and one use of the den decorating set, you could also call the spiders out of the den by interacting with it

And it can be broken using a hammer

[YouKnowWho142]

48 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

I was talking about the Whistler idea

Ah, gotcha. As far as that goes I’d just like a way for Webber to feel like he’s commanding his horde. Being able to control which spiders engage, rolls to help keep them alive or wrap around a mob, or having better control over long distance aggroing without doing a boomerangs cancel would all be some ways to make Webber far more unique especially compared to Wurt, who not only has stronger followers with better utility but are arguably spammier and easier to obtain

[Dr.Webber]

 

47 minutes ago, YouKnowWho142 said:

Ah, gotcha. As far as that goes I’d just like a way for Webber to feel like he’s commanding his horde. Being able to control which spiders engage, rolls to help keep them alive or wrap around a mob, or having better control over long distance aggroing without doing a boomerangs cancel would all be some ways to make Webber far more unique especially compared to Wurt, who not only has stronger followers with better utility but are arguably spammier and easier to obtain

What would be all the different commands you could give them

also, what do you mean they roll?

[YouKnowWho142]

15 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

 

What would be all the different commands you could give them

also, what do you mean they roll?

Bit confusing, my bad, I mean more like a dash in a chosen direction kind of like wheeler for instance, except maybe without the invincibility

As far as different commands go I suppose it would be something like that, an attack command, and some command to let you reposition spiders of the chosen type, just as some quick ideas

[Vek-606]

It may sound crazy, but it would be great if Webber could tame a queen spider to use as a mount like a beefalo. Obviously, they would have to balance it well so that it wasn't too disproportionate. It would be very interesting and fun.

[Prinha]

Webber should be able to interact ie. move, destroy, pacify or similar with the nests of Dangling Depth Dwellers. 

Other than that I'd like them to move away from his follower focused playstyle. Spiders are the weakest followers overall and spider loot is easy to come by. I would really like to play Webber but end up frustrated and annoyed whenever he turns out to be Wilson with less Sanity.

[Dr.Webber]

11 minutes ago, Prinha said:

Other than that I'd like them to move away from his follower focused playstyle. Spiders are the weakest followers overall and spider loot is easy to come by. I would really like to play Webber but end up frustrated and annoyed whenever he turns out to be Wilson with less Sanity.

How do you suggest that be done?

[YouKnowWho142]

3 hours ago, Prinha said:

Other than that I'd like them to move away from his follower focused playstyle. Spiders are the weakest followers overall and spider loot is easy to come by. I would really like to play Webber but end up frustrated and annoyed whenever he turns out to be Wilson with less Sanity.

I don't think there's anything wrong with that though, every part of his design is supposed to work around spiders. He should definitely get some perks not directly related to spider followers but he is inherently a faction character

[PandoPon]

Likely an awful idea, but few months back I joked about Webber having a perk allowing him to put a saddle on a Spider Queen.

It's such a dumb idea, but part of me wishes it'd be a thing.

Other less-dumb Idea I've had was ability to eat switcherdoodles for temporary buffs and skills. I don't see it as a bad concept, but Klei will likely come up with something better and unique.  

[Dr.Webber]

18 minutes ago, PandoPon said:

Likely an awful idea, but few months back I joked about Webber having a perk allowing him to put a saddle on a Spider Queen.

It's such a dumb idea, but part of me wishes it'd be a thing.

Other less-dumb Idea I've had was ability to eat switcherdoodles for temporary buffs and skills. I don't see it as a bad concept, but Klei will likely come up with something better and unique.  

It would cause issues with skins 

also what is he holding it looks like something interesting