[Game Update] - 655375

[ALCRD]

23 hours ago, Echsrick said:

that would be cringe, and a little bit sad

 

22 hours ago, CyberSkink said:

I agree. Klei wouldn’t do that.

Are you sure about that?

On 2/5/2025 at 7:53 PM, JesseB_Klei said:

We are happy with the current Wortox tree layout and choices players are making with it for the different ways to play the game and the character. A mid to late game Bug Net was needed to be created before the Knabsack can be a Bug Net alternative and will be going out with the Walter changes. Some visuals for the Knabsack need polished to give it its hefty weight and we will see what we can do with that.

^Cause Klei themselves said they are happy with how Wortox skill tree turned out 

Edited February 16, 2025 by ALCRD

[Master_NiX]

Still waiting for a feature to decorate stoneless graves.

[CyberSkink]

17 hours ago, ALCRD said:

 

Are you sure about that?

yes. I am. Even if this update stays the same, people will complain and they will change it because they listen to feedback.

[MorePlease1]

On 2/16/2025 at 8:21 AM, Y0sH said:

...I can't tell if this is actual bait or you haven't played Wortox past the first day of the Beta back in November. The "Insta-Kill" bosses with Souls is literally the Worst way to kill any boss and most mobs in the game. The explosion damage was nerfed into the ground making it so that attempting to kill a Boss this way will almost quadruple the time it takes a Wilson with a hambat to kill ANY boss. Don't believe me? Try it yourself and you'll realize why this take is hilariously wrong.

His soul Decoy doesn't aggro all enemies in the area so at times you can make a decoy that literally is ignored. Making it last longer doesn't do anything. It shares the same properties of Maxwell's shadow duelist in that some enemies are aggrod to the Decoy but worse because it's gone in one hit.

The flute skills that let's you use it for free like twice a day is niche by design and so does the one that gives souls. Calling this useful while also noting that you can "fill 5 jars in a day" with a bee farm tells you exactly how niche it is. The Carmen flute skill is almost completely useless.

Who would use the decoy only for damage what lol its name is decoy for a reason I'm not saying to take out bosses with it it's a great skill that can take out smaller enemy's and the Instakill is one of the best ways to take out bosses or mobs it doesn't mean it should be the only damage you do???? And I don't understand what you want with wortox hes a support character that you would like to be a damage character. Even with him being a support character he's still able to sweep through any boss even without his skilltree and flute skills are great idk what your talking about are you just using it to get the 6 souls without killing anything or what lol plus 2 twice a day for 12 souls without even putting anything to sleep to get even more souls so pretty great to me. I don't understand why you guys want him to do even more damage when he's already doing dark sword damage with a weapon that's so easy to make.

On 2/16/2025 at 8:50 AM, Echsrick said:

the bee field wich is not allways there, and you still fill up your inventory with jars that could be better used differendly

decoy 2 is bad its the worst, not only that, technicaly for what you need a decoy for? you are wortox, just teleport away from danger if you need to

panflute....a niche for me exchept cloudycarme...that one just bad

gun powder, thats how truly you do the boss, yes i dit use gun powder to kill fuelweaver and some other bosse, nothing personal

The bee field is legit always there you will never have a map that doesn't have it decoy is good if you want to actually kill the enemy rather then for running and I understand what you mean about the gunpowder method but I'm saying it's just a way to kill the bosses you don't have to cheese a boss if you don't want to 

[Echsrick]

7 minutes ago, MorePlease1 said:

The bee field is legit always there you will never have a map that doesn't have it decoy is good if you want to actually kill the enemy rather then for running and I understand what you mean about the gunpowder method but I'm saying it's just a way to kill the bosses you don't have to cheese a boss if you don't want to 

it seems we dont think of the same bee field, i speak of the killer bee biome wich does not spawn every time, just like triple walrus biome

[Y0sH]

18 minutes ago, MorePlease1 said:

Who would use the decoy only for damage what lol its name is decoy for a reason I'm not saying to take out bosses with it it's a great skill that can take out smaller enemy's and the Instakill is one of the best ways to take out bosses or mobs it doesn't mean it should be the only damage you do???? And I don't understand what you want with wortox hes a support character that you would like to be a damage character. Even with him being a support character he's still able to sweep through any boss even without his skilltree and flute skills are great idk what your talking about are you just using it to get the 6 souls without killing anything or what lol plus 2 twice a day for 12 souls without even putting anything to sleep to get even more souls so pretty great to me. I don't understand why you guys want him to do even more damage when he's already doing dark sword damage with a weapon that's so easy to make.

How did you quote me and didn't read really anything I said? let me name it off for you so you can understand better:

1. A Decoy lasting longer does nothing, especially if it doesn't aggro ALL hostile enemies for the time it's activated.

2. You cannot insta-kill any boss in this game with Souls , again this hasn't been a thing since November. You could kill a boss in the same time with a hambat twice.

3. The Carman flute skill is useless and has been complained about since the tree was released. Also, getting 6 souls a day is effectively useless compared to killing 1 beehive spawn.

4. When did I say Wortox needs to do more damage? Like literally show me when I even mentioned damage in the post you quoted?

5. My entire point and almost every single point that has been made about Wortox has been an issue with his FILLER skills not asking him to do more damage overall. skills like "souls travel to you faster" and "Decoy Lasts a little longer" are the issues, never has it ever been "Wortox doesn't do enough damage."

Edited February 17, 2025 by Y0sH

[ALCRD]

1 hour ago, CyberSkink said:

yes. I am. Even if this update stays the same, people will complain and they will change it because they listen to feedback.

You obvioisly didn't read the post i quoted where Klei dev said they are happy with how Wortox skill tree turned out and how players use it.

And this was posted by them despite feedback and complaints about Wortox skill tree.

So.. fat chance.

Edited February 17, 2025 by ALCRD

[Hollow soul 3]

1 hour ago, CyberSkink said:

yes. I am. Even if this update stays the same, people will complain and they will change it because they listen to feedback.

They've been doing so great listening to all the wortox feedback during the beta, I'm sure you're right. 

[CyberSkink]

3 hours ago, Hollow soul 3 said:

They've been doing so great listening to all the wortox feedback during the beta, I'm sure you're right. 

Ok, I understand where you are coming from. It feels like they have been ignoring you. Nobody likes that feeling. I’m sorry I got into an argument with you. That said, I think it’s best that we remain optimistic. This is because negative emotions only bring down other people and ourselves, which has been proven due to the argument I had with you. I also want to stress that I am a Wortox main as well, and I purchased him on the day of release. I know that doesn’t mean much on the grand scheme of things, but please know there are some people who like some aspects of the skill tree. Have a great day.

[Hollow soul 3]

15 hours ago, CyberSkink said:

Ok, I understand where you are coming from. It feels like they have been ignoring you. Nobody likes that feeling. I’m sorry I got into an argument with you. That said, I think it’s best that we remain optimistic. This is because negative emotions only bring down other people and ourselves, which has been proven due to the argument I had with you. I also want to stress that I am a Wortox main as well, and I purchased him on the day of release. I know that doesn’t mean much on the grand scheme of things, but please know there are some people who like some aspects of the skill tree. Have a great day.

Eh, I don't feel like I'm personally being ignored. The control changes for consoles was mentioned, so that's a disaster averted. I also advocated for a net on the bag. When your damage is low, it can still give you a way to quickly gather souls. You get to store some damage, but the explosive resistance helps keep it under control with the bosses. It fit in with his lore and originally in my head it was gaining the abilities of a relatively cheap craft. Something every wortox player will be holding a stack of with it's ease of access and the parallel soul/web gathering. Even if I don't love the item, it's added value really softens the landing. I think every change they've made on the skill tree so far has been pretty great even.

I feel that some of the more pressing issues with wortox are being ignored. 

[CyberSkink]

2 hours ago, Hollow soul 3 said:

Eh, I don't feel like I'm personally being ignored. The control changes for consoles was mentioned, so that's a disaster averted. I also advocated for a net on the bag. When your damage is low, it can still give you a way to quickly gather souls. You get to store some damage, but the explosive resistance helps keep it under control with the bosses. It fit in with his lore and originally in my head it was gaining the abilities of a relatively cheap craft. Something every wortox player will be holding a stack of with it's ease of access and the parallel soul/web gathering. Even if I don't love the item, it's added value really softens the landing. I think every change they've made on the skill tree so far has been pretty great even.

I feel that some of the more pressing issues with wortox are being ignored. 

Thanks for being so upfront with this. I tend to get defensive with Klei because they are my favoite game makers and if I may be honest with you, I want to work for them one day. That said, part of being professional is maintaining civility. This is something I still need to work on. I'm glad we could come to an understanding. I hope your suggestions get heeded, I genuingley agree with all of your points, I guess I'm a bit sensitive, so thank you for being so open minded. Have a great day.

21 hours ago, ALCRD said:

You obvioisly didn't read the post i quoted where Klei dev said they are happy with how Wortox skill tree turned out and how players use it.

And this was posted by them despite feedback and complaints about Wortox skill tree.

So.. fat chance.

I'm sorry you feel this way. I hope that what you said gets proven wrong and that due to that, wortox gets improved for you. I apologize for my outburst. I should know better than to get angry on the internet, lmao. All our opinions hold validity, regardless of whether they conflict or not. I tend to get a bit defensive when it comes to Klei, since they hold the key to my dream job. That said, I am glad that this happened because it gives me the oppouttunity to grow as a person and listen to feedback, which is what any good game company should do. I hope you have a great day.

[MorePlease1]

22 hours ago, Y0sH said:

How did you quote me and didn't read really anything I said? let me name it off for you so you can understand better:

1. A Decoy lasting longer does nothing, especially if it doesn't aggro ALL hostile enemies for the time it's activated.

2. You cannot insta-kill any boss in this game with Souls , again this hasn't been a thing since November. You could kill a boss in the same time with a hambat twice.

3. The Carman flute skill is useless and has been complained about since the tree was released. Also, getting 6 souls a day is effectively useless compared to killing 1 beehive spawn.

4. When did I say Wortox needs to do more damage? Like literally show me when I even mentioned damage in the post you quoted?

5. My entire point and almost every single point that has been made about Wortox has been an issue with his FILLER skills not asking him to do more damage overall. skills like "souls travel to you faster" and "Decoy Lasts a little longer" are the issues, never has it ever been "Wortox doesn't do enough damage."

So you wouldn't want souls to do damage on the back to you but rather be faster to get to you I guarantee if they added but you want people would hate that even more lol and the decoy would be way to op if he has more health to tank even more damage I think the developers already said that they are happy with his tree which means I don't think they will be working on it 

[Hollow soul 3]

1 hour ago, CyberSkink said:

Thanks for being so upfront with this. I tend to get defensive with Klei because they are my favoite game makers and if I may be honest with you, I want to work for them one day. That said, part of being professional is maintaining civility. This is something I still need to work on. I'm glad we could come to an understanding. I hope your suggestions get heeded, I genuingley agree with all of your points, I guess I'm a bit sensitive, so thank you for being so open minded. Have a great day.

Sure man, everyone here is at least a huge fan of the game. Klei's also great to the players, but it's pretty off topic to get into.

There's positives too, but the things they're doing right don't need additional work. We might get an update to his skill tree, but that would probably be years away. If they don't get it right the first time, it really hurts the viability of the character. While wortox's tree is viewed as good enough by a lot of the community, I would be shocked if it wasn't overshadowed by upcoming trees. No ones expecting Wanda to get weaker, Webber will go hard for area damage in his own way. Wickerbotom's books and Maxwells shadow powers. Wortox's tree doesn't put him in a place that will stay competitive to that balance. 

[Y0sH]

1 hour ago, MorePlease1 said:

So you wouldn't want souls to do damage on the back to you but rather be faster to get to you I guarantee if they added but you want people would hate that even more lol and the decoy would be way to op if he has more health to tank even more damage I think the developers already said that they are happy with his tree which means I don't think they will be working on it 

What? When did I say I want souls to do no damage and rather have souls be faster? What are you reading? I literally said that souls coming to you faster is filler as in not needed in his skilltree. No one said decoys should take more damage, the issue is that decoys don't aggro all enemies in the area and with it only taking one hit exacerbates this issue. If it "tanked" hits wouldn't matter because it fails at what it's supposed to do from the start and that's draw all aggro to it. 

Think of a Ninja throwing down a smokeball to make a great escape except you can see right through the smoke. Wouldn't matter how many smokeballs you threw it doesn't change the fact that it's ineffective, same as a Decoy that doesn't draw all aggro. 

Edited February 18, 2025 by Y0sH

[Dingle]

Just now, Y0sH said:

What? When did I say I want souls to do no damage and rather have souls be faster? What are you reading? I literally said that souls coming to you faster is filler as in not needed in his skilltree. No one said decoys should take more damage, the issue is that decoys don't aggro all enemies in the area and with it only taking one hit exacerbates this issue. If it "tanked" hits wouldn't matter because it fails at what it's supposed to do from the start and that's draw all aggro to it. 

Decoy 2 should really just make decoys taunt better.

[Hollow soul 3]

It would be handy if the decoy could pull away enemies by teleporting away after a hit to somewhere close or exploding on a timer, but both of those options could get in the way if there wasn't a toggle.

[Y0sH]

3 minutes ago, Dingle said:

Decoy 2 should really just make decoys taunt better.

Absolutely, considering it takes 3 points to get the capstone skill. Lasting longer with lackluster aggro does nothing for this skill. Either take out Decoy 2 or make it draw all aggro.

[Dingle]

8 minutes ago, Hollow soul 3 said:

Sure man, everyone here is at least a huge fan of the game. Klei's also great to the players, but it's pretty off topic to get into.

There's positives too, but the things they're doing right don't need additional work. We might get an update to his skill tree, but that would probably be years away. If they don't get it right the first time, it really hurts the viability of the character. While wortox's tree is viewed as good enough by a lot of the community, I would be shocked if it wasn't overshadowed by upcoming trees. No ones expecting Wanda to get weaker, Webber will go hard for area damage in his own way. Wickerbotom's books and Maxwells shadow powers. Wortox's tree doesn't put him in a place that will stay competitive to that balance. 

I didn't think of this.

For me it's mostly just:

There's some remaining issues with Wortox's tree. It's by no means bad, overall. But why not discuss changes for the small parts that are flawed?

No big overhauls. No giant requests. "These are some perks that are weak enough to want to avoid, or perks that are awful, but you're forced to take them to get something else".

This includes stuff like Soul Bastion 2 when solo. You have to get it for a solo 8 6 1 Nice Build. But soul bastion 2 doesn't make sense solo, and reaching souls 2 is a prereq that actively hurts you.