A small post of apreciation to the devs

[Malfario]

First to say, Thanks klei.

Thanks for a game i ve loved so much, for so much time and that i still do to this day, adding update after update completly free. The labor of love behind this game its something i feel doesnt get acknowledge enough and i would like to bring attention to the amazing people behind it.

The reason behind this post is not other than the fact that, after certain recent events and posts happening on this forum, I feel bad you had to receive so many harsh words from a part of the comunity, I feel horrible as part of said comunity because i dont like seeing insults or straight up attacks directed to anyone, specially the people that works so hard to make the game we all know and love.

Personally,I also havent been satisfied with some of the latest updates, and i might have been a bit to bitter about it as i ve realised with time, But a line i ve never crossed that so many have as of late is to disrepect and insult the devs and their work directly, not only that but also doing it with an absolute lack empathy and education, like they had a right to do so.

The ambient has been extremly hostile, and eventho i hope this hostility didn´t got throu anyone at the team, I know words can damage and it pains me knowing someone got actually hurt by this.

I dont wanna sound paternalist, this is the internet and we all know hate waves are a thing that can happen, and at the end of the day the ones doing them are the ones  more miserable. But it just didnt felt right not speaking up among all of this situation to try to share some kind words.

I hope the team is doing well, I hope they finish this update thinking they did a good job (cause they have) and i hope none of this situation had disturbed the devs mind.

I say this words with absolute apreciation and admiration.

[CyberSkink]

Klei is truly the best. I will never understand why some people act so toxic towards them when all they do is listen to feedback.

[Walrusst]

Given at least 3-4 of my wishes made it directly in some form its honestly kind of a miracle given how incoherent and disorganized I was.
They have serious patience to deal with us, but man do they cook.

This update is going to be weird because the states of the characters in it couldn't really be more different across the board, given we had:

• The most popular character, one with powerful perks that have absurd minmaxing potential but who also a high input requirement to not have one of their biggest upsides become an annoying micromanagement aspect late game. People had a lot of expectations and most people I know are... Passively pretty happy with this even though the inclusion of cave resources will bother some.
• A neutral strength character which had some flavor, distinct global abilities, and a decent amount going for them, but who had some very clear QOL issues with how bug net heavy he got.
• A character who was divisive beyond belief. I honestly did feel he cooked on teams before but I also saw the rage at the low damage, and the two inherently inbuilt death spirals (Damage sanity and the woby buck) made him a character who was honestly the best at bucking unprepared players off him and making them disintrested in him.

I think what the characters got was generally appropriate, and while some of the choices worry me its still a pretty good update thats had me excited and spitballing ideas constantly.

[WANZUN]

Is there a trust, caused by the internal staff of klei? How come one of these posts a week?

Perfunctory players are going to be scolded, and the company that is the soul of darkness has published a new work, which is extremely reusable, similar to klei, and is being scolded.

Everyone praises klei for doing well, even if it does badly, the result is getting worse and worse, just like today's DST, the product of full of lies.

Wendy's failure at least put DST back on track for a while. Klei needs some criticism.

[SilverSpoon]

13 hours ago, CyberSkink said:

Klei is truly the best. I will never understand why some people act so toxic towards them when all they do is listen to feedback.

In the past, "a part of" Forum residents have made some very toxic insults towards them, like hate on their nationality or "Wendy Player are pedophile" (Klei deleted that and (hopefully) BANned them), and unfortunately, this furious has been even directed towards Klei, who the Forum residents claimed they were on their side.

However, that is in no way a justification for being toxic towards Klei. Klei also are on your side, and (personal not enough but) deal with those who behave toxically towards you.

[Dear Community Manager. I wrote this because they are wondering why they are attacking Klei. I have removed as much of the content from my previous post that may have violated the guidelines as possible, and have made it just write of the facts that happened. If you not intended to convince people that "those who attack Klei are doing so for no reason," at least point out why you can't approve this post before deleting it.]

[DVGMedia]

1 hour ago, WANZUN said:

Is there a trust, caused by the internal staff of klei? How come one of these posts a week?

Perfunctory players are going to be scolded, and the company that is the soul of darkness has published a new work, which is extremely reusable, similar to klei, and is being scolded.

Everyone praises klei for doing well, even if it does badly, the result is getting worse and worse, just like today's DST, the product of full of lies.

Wendy's failure at least put DST back on track for a while. Klei needs some criticism.

This is really the thing i feel thats important.

There is a saying while working in creative spaces.
"You should never judge your self worth based off of how well you succeed in a corporate world." That is true for any creative type. Be it movie game arts dance sports. Trying to sell a product and people not wanting it can feel soul crushing Because we tend to relate what we make with something that is important to us. We put in our heart and soul and it ends up being rejected.

Critisism is always a part of a business. Especially when you* are trying to sell a product. Which DST is a product.
you* kind of push for the general masses because thats the biggest audience.  The only ones that come to argue are the fridge cases on the edges. 
And most regular people are fine with the average. And so eventually  a company only ends up making the average Because that is what will please the majority of people.
Que the multiple remakes of games that add basically a few new features and slight graphical updates every few years.

Klei was always unique in their approach to things over the years but now They have really just been average. And if being average is qualifications of appreciation  Then congratulations you met the bare minimum.

I say this because ive been playing ds and dst for over a decade now. And if this update is what passes for quality then its really worrying.

you*
is a general term not refering to anyone


This is also to keep in mind that I don't condone the hate and agression that some people have done towards the devs I feel that no one should ever recieve such when they are just trying to create what they love. Its just the unfortunate nature of being in a corporate world and trying to sell a product.

I understand why people get aggressive its because they are in an emotionally charged state. Which is natural and sometimes people don't have their senses with them because this is a thing they care about and is under attack in their eyes. And the general population just dismisses them because they believe what they are angry at they shouldn't be angry at. And you know that would piss anyone off really.

[SilverSpoon]

1 hour ago, WANZUN said:

Wendy's failure at least put DST back on track for a while. Klei needs some criticism.

14 minutes ago, DVGMedia said:

Critisism is always a part of a business. Especially when you* are trying to sell a product. Which DST is a product.

"Criticism" is never about using "Violence" against something.

I don't want to name anyone and blame them, so I won't go into detail on what exactly falls into the category of "criticism" and what falls into the category of "violence." However, I believe that all of you have enough conscience to hesitate to use violence against Klei.

[Reiko24]

2 hours ago, WANZUN said:

Is there a trust, caused by the internal staff of klei? How come one of these posts a week? 
 

just like today's DST, the product of full of lies.

Wendy's failure

xd

[Yaorin yon]

3 hours ago, SilverSpoon said:

In the past, "a part of" Forum residents have made some very toxic insults towards them, like hate on their nationality or "Wendy Player are pedophile" (Klei deleted that and (hopefully) BANned them), and unfortunately, this furious has been even directed towards Klei, who the Forum residents claimed they were on their side.

However, that is in no way a justification for being toxic towards Klei. Klei also are on your side, and (personal not enough but) deal with those who behave toxically towards you.

[Dear Community Manager. I wrote this because they are wondering why they are attacking Klei. I have removed as much of the content from my previous post that may have violated the guidelines as possible, and have made it just write of the facts that happened. If you not intended to convince people that "those who attack Klei are doing so for no reason," at least point out why you can't approve this post before deleting it.]

Thank you for your thoughtful comment, and I would also like to add some observations that I have seen.

 

When it comes to users who insult others based on nationality or character usage, there are quite a few who have only received minor punishments (and after a short period, they become active on the forums again). In contrast, users who oppose such behavior have, in my circle of acquaintances, faced permanent bans. Meanwhile, Klei's official response to feedback emails has been non-existent; since December last year, they have been using automated replies to brush off concerns. This is widely known among the forums I frequent and is one of the reasons why some people become extremely angry as soon as they enter the forums.

 

I sincerely hope that all of this can receive an official and satisfactory response. However, as far as I know, Some official staff have already insinuated in certain replies that they are attributing all the problems to the opponents who are angry about the unfair treatment. If the events of the past few months are to end like this, it will be an incalculable loss for everyone.

[PunkShark]

In times where things are rough It is also important to know when you're appreciated for the work and effort.

[DVGMedia]

2 hours ago, SilverSpoon said:

"Criticism" is never about using "Violence" against something.

I don't want to name anyone and blame them, so I won't go into detail on what exactly falls into the category of "criticism" and what falls into the category of "violence." However, I believe that all of you have enough conscience to hesitate to use violence against Klei.

I mean i undestand that When i first streamed the skilltrees in novemeber and i got to wendy with some of the changes they made originally.
One of the first things i said was "Do these people even understand how wendy works" I went like this because the way things were done changed completely how it felt playing the character and it deeply affect my muscle memory of playing.  Something i was used to doing had changed And thats usally an easy way to make people feel frustration.

We were told to not get our hopes up because wendy was a strong character. Wendy players were already restricted on what even could exist because there was this invisible bar of balance And that really made restrictions of what could happen. Plus just the fact that there are so many players with so many ideas of how the character should go
The way this wendy situation is could have been handled much better

And If that invisible bar of "she is strong" wasn't established I don't think any of this would have happened

I still feel like what klei has in mind with the tree currently can still work. But it needs a different approach on some of the skill than what we have now.
 

 

[SilverSpoon]

30 minutes ago, Yaorin yon said:

When it comes to users who insult others based on nationality or character usage, there are quite a few who have only received minor punishments (and after a short period, they become active on the forums again). In contrast, users who oppose such behavior have, in my circle of acquaintances, faced permanent bans. Meanwhile, Klei's official response to feedback emails has been non-existent; since December last year, they have been using automated replies to brush off concerns. This is widely known among the forums I frequent and is one of the reasons why some people become extremely angry as soon as they enter the forums.

Alas, the fairness of the Community Manager...

I'm currently on an indefinite restrictions what my posts require moderator approval. I know that How I've been a troublemaker rude stupid, so I consent about this. I've also confirmed that the people who have repeatedly posted the worst kind of insults against "Wendy Player" are probably being BANned. That's also good.

But it seems people who are objectively worse than me, like repeatedly trolling Wendy Player, and each time posts were deleted by the community manager, or who just make threads to mock Wendy Player, don't seem to be receiving any punishment, so I'm feeling to distrust to community managers.

About your "acquaintances faced permanent bans.", I'm sorry but I don't know what those people said, so I can't judge. But I have to agree that unfairness and opaqueness of Community Manager's judge are causing more backfire.

53 minutes ago, DVGMedia said:

I mean i undestand that When i first streamed the skilltrees in novemeber and i got to wendy with some of the changes they made originally.
One of the first things i said was "Do these people even understand how wendy works" I went like this because the way things were done changed completely how it felt playing the character and it deeply affect my muscle memory of playing.  Something i was used to doing had changed And thats usally an easy way to make people feel frustration.

We were told to not get our hopes up because wendy was a strong character. Wendy players were already restricted on what even could exist because there was this invisible bar of balance And that really made restrictions of what could happen. Plus just the fact that there are so many players with so many ideas of how the character should go
The way this wendy situation is could have been handled much better

And If that invisible bar of "she is strong" wasn't established I don't think any of this would have happened

I still feel like what klei has in mind with the tree currently can still work. But it needs a different approach on some of the skill than what we have now.

I think That doesn't have much to do with what I said. Unless the other person is attacking you with any malicious intent, you should not resort to violence in the name of criticism, no matter what the premise.

However, I clarify that I have never seen DVGMedia use violence against Klei (but "Dumbness" might have toe-stepped over the line by a millimeter...) He has almost always kept calmly and politely.