Wortox identity crisis

[Guille6785]

11 minutes ago, Mr Giggio said:

I think that the potential he got to kill Celestial Champion consistently before even winter starts does make Wortox different and unique from the others but you guys do you :V 

everyone can do this provided you play the game well enough but it is nice that he streamlines some of the most annoying parts of the questline

[Dingle]

7 minutes ago, Mr Giggio said:

I think that the potential he got to kill Celestial Champion consistently before even winter starts does make Wortox different and unique from the others but you guys do you 

It's all thanks to his perk that lets him catch heavy fish more often.

[Echsrick]

44 minutes ago, Mr Giggio said:

I think that the potential he got to kill Celestial Champion consistently before even winter starts does make Wortox different and unique from the others but you guys do you :V 

i have seen a group of like 2 or 3 people kill moon in first winter or just before first winter

[Mr Giggio]

1 hour ago, Guille6785 said:

everyone can do this provided you play the game well enough but it is nice that he streamlines some of the most annoying parts of the questline

you need to rely or on exploiting or on luck with RNG with other characters, u know? When I meant consistently I was serious about it being a order of events that u can achieve without relying much on both

1 hour ago, Dingle said:

It's all thanks to his perk that lets him catch heavy fish more often.

Its cuz map jumping acess islands without sailing much - as soon u got a bottle u can do pearl tasks and use rain day 5-8 to finish 1-4 tasks from the get go even before ruins to jump back to entrance and jump back to moon stone to do the star caller> moon caller event day 11. This needs so much RNG in the favor of the player otherwise that as Wortox gets being a matter of how many souls u can get between the chores

30 minutes ago, Echsrick said:

i have seen a group of like 2 or 3 people kill moon in first winter or just before first winter

My friend on Twitch have fun doing solo CC rushes and as soon Wortox arrived the skill tree on beta he managed to do a day 21 CC kill in the first try and it go better from that :V

[Guille6785]

55 minutes ago, Mr Giggio said:

you need to rely or on exploiting or on luck with RNG with other characters, u know? When I meant consistently I was serious about it being a order of events that u can achieve without relying much on both

you do not need exploits or heavy RNG to get a first autumn CC kill as any character

[Dingle]

4 hours ago, Mr Giggio said:

you need to rely or on exploiting or on luck with RNG with other characters, u know? When I meant consistently I was serious about it being a order of events that u can achieve without relying much on both

Its cuz map jumping acess islands without sailing much - as soon u got a bottle u can do pearl tasks and use rain day 5-8 to finish 1-4 tasks from the get go even before ruins to jump back to entrance and jump back to moon stone to do the star caller> moon caller event day 11. This needs so much RNG in the favor of the player otherwise that as Wortox gets being a matter of how many souls u can get between the chores

My friend on Twitch have fun doing solo CC rushes and as soon Wortox arrived the skill tree on beta he managed to do a day 21 CC kill in the first try and it go better from that :V

He's good at teleporting to Pearl. That means any issues with his skill tree shouldn't be discussed.

[Mr Giggio]

4 hours ago, Dingle said:

He's good at teleporting to Pearl. That means any issues with his skill tree shouldn't be discussed.

No no, that means the Soul Jar improvement not only for raise max cap but AoE to collect does affects it because it wasn't as effective as it is right now. That means cheaping down the costs of jumping already explored directions does affect it. It means echo linking points of interest for less cost does affect it. An overall polishment in how used to be intended to work that never was really "it" till now.

 

Let's not play dumb if you don't want to be treated like u dumb because u putting effort to not get the point. 

 

The whole shadow reaper and decoy scenario opens up some fights against bosses too. He reaps Beequen apart  does quite well with a lot matchups. But I focused in that one example and u decided to pretend instead.

 

The most frequent complain Tox got to be addressed before the skill tree was that soul farming was too time  costfull aka not worth and it got fixed in the skill tree. The second one was the lack of AoE and it got fixed in the skill tree.  The decoys and flute interaction with the Echo system are fun and even brilliant in some type of way. Soul pierce is fire and cheap damage in lots of situations. I would call his skill tree a win. Only critique I would have is the opportunity to make Knabsack to be a tool to pick bugs in AoE or a cool interaction. But that's pretty much.

[asdsaax]

13 hours ago, Mr Giggio said:

I think that the potential he got to kill Celestial Champion consistently before even winter starts does make Wortox different and unique from the others but you guys do you :V

 

3 hours ago, Mr Giggio said:

Let's not play dumb if you don't want to be treated like u dumb because u putting effort to not get the point. 

I'm not sure about playing dumb when others (and specifically a speedrunner from all things) explain to you that rushing CC is nothing special so you start to bring up an anecdotal friend and mentioning the good points that Wortox's skilltree does well to cover your point

Like ok? OG complain with Walter was that his slingshot was unremarkable, but despite of the first version of skilltree improving on that, no one told Walter players to shut up when his Woby skills weren't up to par

And honestly? This is how your attitude feels like when Wortox is in similiar position

His fundamentals got fixed indeed but there are still nothing-burgers like Lunar Swindler and Covetous Collector

One of them literally recycles bone armor and another wants you to reinvest your good perks for something that has performance close to a hambat, is at mercy of RNG and gets wasted if you happen to bump into Lunar Island when searching for jars

and why should anyone be settling down for abilities that barely glide over base game content when the point of the skilltree is to bring some fresh experience, not to mention there's literally comparable competition hence issue with uniqueness

Also rude much?

[Dingle]

4 hours ago, Mr Giggio said:

No no, that means the Soul Jar improvement not only for raise max cap but AoE to collect does affects it because it wasn't as effective as it is right now. That means cheaping down the costs of jumping already explored directions does affect it. It means echo linking points of interest for less cost does affect it. An overall polishment in how used to be intended to work that never was really "it" till now.

 

Let's not play dumb if you don't want to be treated like u dumb because u putting effort to not get the point. 

 

The whole shadow reaper and decoy scenario opens up some fights against bosses too. He reaps Beequen apart  does quite well with a lot matchups. But I focused in that one example and u decided to pretend instead.

 

The most frequent complain Tox got to be addressed before the skill tree was that soul farming was too time  costfull aka not worth and it got fixed in the skill tree. The second one was the lack of AoE and it got fixed in the skill tree.  The decoys and flute interaction with the Echo system are fun and even brilliant in some type of way. Soul pierce is fire and cheap damage in lots of situations. I would call his skill tree a win. Only critique I would have is the opportunity to make Knabsack to be a tool to pick bugs in AoE or a cool interaction. But that's pretty much.

Look at you, discussing the Wortox skill tree!

I wasn't playing dumb, I just didn't want to expend much effort. With your posts before this one, it looked like you didn't want to put much effort in, either, so I thought I'd match you.

I have some remaining issues with the tree, but already posted them twice. I could have linked it or copy and pasted. Maybe I will later.

[linabagel]

On 2/9/2025 at 11:52 PM, Hollow soul 3 said:

Maybe if we're giving everyone Wortox's kit, let him use others character specific items at a cost

I guess you mean "he's a naughty guy, so he secretly tries on other characters' items, but is rather clumsy in using them "? Well, if that's the case, it fits his character design. Sounds interesting.

But which skill should that be? I don't want to disrupt the design of the skill tree" Libra".

[Y0sH]

@Guille6785 @Mr Giggio Oh yeah? Well as esteemed Speedrunners I bet you guys can't explain in detail how to rush CC in first Autumn if it's so easy!!

 

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*Pulls out notepad and pen because I legitimately never killed CC in first Autumn and don't have a clue how to* lmao.

 

 

 

[Mr Giggio]

1 hour ago, Y0sH said:

@Guille6785 @Mr Giggio Oh yeah? Well as esteemed Speedrunners I bet you guys can't explain in detail how to rush CC in first Autumn if it's so easy!!

 

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*Pulls out notepad and pen because I legitimately never killed CC in first Autumn and don't have a clue how to* lmao.

 

 

 

Just told ya my friend on Twitch does CC rushes really often and he got those results as soon the beta arrived - its @lord_lee_125 on that plataform
Also did said the key is to get advantage from the natural rain that starts day 5-8 to give umbrella so u dont have to rely on shadow manipulator or day 21 to trigger rain

.: Pearl :.

Task 1 - butterflies

Task 2 - dry racks with kelp

TAsk 3 - berry bushes

Task 4 - cleaning debris

Task 5 - delivering a pretty parasol while is raining

 

You do those tasks, explore enough to get livin logs and moon stone location, get set to do ruins, go to pearl start the quests and then when it rains u go imediatly to do the ruins rush.

What you NEED from ruins is gems to kill CK, yellow staff, green staff. If u got enough greem gems to spare is good to bring green magic so you can skip cookie cutters deconstructin lures and double dumping it throught the cookie cutter helmet.

Back day 11, change staff, back to caves heading to archieves. Astral detector to reveal all the lunar idols and finish the other chores for Pearl. Dont forget Relic chair blueprint from Ruins, so:

.: Pearl again :.

Task 6 - Relic Chair > Wooden Chair

Task 7/8/9 - House upgrade

Task 10 - 5 Heavy Fish or a heavy fallounder. You can get both and skip one of the tasks mentioned before if you lucky.

 

Got da pearl, assemble the pieces, time for CK fight that will be the last toten and we can trigger the eye of storm even after that.

Pay a visit to junk yard, 8 scrap and a potato. Pay a visit to meteor fields to get the orb. Do the event and head to CC to do the fight.

Task management is key and Wortox makes moving around not as much of a time loss. There you go.

2 hours ago, asdsaax said:

I'm not sure about playing dumb when others (and specifically a speedrunner from all things) explain to you

I was talking with that ONE VERY SPECIFIC PERSON I QUOTED about this. I was not talking with Guille. I was not talking with you. AS a matter of the fact I still didnt even saw you in the thread and I just wanted to add that the potential of shorting exploration can make a difference in situations like mentioned, but here we are.

 

2 hours ago, asdsaax said:

for something that has performance close to a hambat

 

lmao

Not much to add this speaks for itself
Shadow reaper interaction by the way thats suposed to be your main weapon

2 hours ago, asdsaax said:

anecdotal friend

yep pretty much done with you lets both move on we have nothing to discuss 

[Y0sH]

11 minutes ago, Mr Giggio said:

If u got enough greem gems to spare is good to bring green magic so you can skip cookie cutters deconstructin lures and double dumping it throught the cookie cutter helmet.

Definitely copying and pasting this in the group chat lol one question for my small non speedrunner bain, what do you mean by double dumping it through the cookie cutter helmet?

[Mr Giggio]

2 minutes ago, Y0sH said:

Definitely copying and pasting this in the group chat lol one question for my small non speedrunner bain, what do you mean by double dumping it through the cookie cutter helmet?

I mean this bud
https://dontstarve.fandom.com/wiki/Cookie_Cutter_Cap
This item needs 4 uses of a construction amulet and 6 uses of a decon staff to generate 10 cookie cutters without going outta island to look for it

You do some tasks, pearl gives you a bundle of thanks. You unwrap and get two lures. If its the heavy one you save it to do the last chore. The other two you use to decon

 

Decon twice.

Got 2.

Construction amy. Cutter Cap is now 2.

Craft

Decon

4 in total

Craft

Decon.

6 in total

Craft

Decon

10 

 

'-'

4 minutes ago, Y0sH said:

small non speedrunner bain

its not small its just that u dont go explore this area of the game and its fine

What Im not fine with is when people start pretending the point is not there oh boy it makes me loose it xD 

[Y0sH]

1 minute ago, Mr Giggio said:

I mean this bud
https://dontstarve.fandom.com/wiki/Cookie_Cutter_Cap
This item needs 4 uses of a construction amulet and 6 uses of a decon staff to generate 10 cookie cutters without going outta island to look for it

You do some tasks, pearl gives you a bundle of thanks. You unwrap and get two lures. If its the heavy one you save it to do the last chore. The other two you use to decon

 

Decon twice.

Got 2.

Construction amy. Cutter Cap is now 2.

Craft

Decon

4 in total

Craft

Decon.

6 in total

Craft

Decon

10 

 

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THANKS!! Get ready to see "Y0sH, Beta Wortox CC Day 12 rush any% Unseeded" on Youtube lmao jk, im terrible.

[asdsaax]

10 minutes ago, Mr Giggio said:

lmao

Not much to add this speaks for itself

indeed it does

the time I would waste on getting maxed out knabsack could be used for progressing the game with hambat
because you don't spawn with 3 red gems and jars right away that are RNG dependent

and as you have established earlier Wortox is a fast paced character that aims to enable rifts asap
so on top of being a waste of time it also becomes useless very quickly + it demands to sacrifice pleasant pastorale or affinity skill if your build is naughty oriented
which are actually really good skills
 

 

27 minutes ago, Mr Giggio said:

yep pretty much done with you lets both move on we have nothing to discuss 

I don't think you are here as much to discuss as to downplay people being unsatisfied with character they care for in my opinion

[Steorra]

4 minutes ago, Y0sH said:

THANKS!! Get ready to see "Y0sH, Beta Wortox CC Day 12 rush any% Unseeded" on Youtube lmao jk, im terrible.

I'm ready to see a rebalance patch of Wortox later.

Personally I suggested that to keep the powerful privilege of your favourite character as a secret, if you can't accept a potential nerf.

[Y0sH]

22 minutes ago, Steorra said:

I'm ready to see a rebalance patch of Wortox later.

Personally I suggested that to keep the powerful privilege of your favourite character as a secret, if you can't accept a potential nerf.

Stop judging how overall "powerful" a character is off of their speedrunning capabilities. If this mattered as much as you think it does then everyone would be playing Wolfgang doing day 1 shadow pieces. Speedrunners probably only represent the top .5% of players of this game. Again, you're just upset because Wendy can't do everything and you want every other character nerfed that's not her and it's obvious at this point. Futhermore, take away every single skill from Wortox's tree and he'd still be able to teleport with heavy objects in his base kit and that is what allows him to be better at doing pearl's questline, Winona can do the same and Wanda (you can in fact get tusks before winter and I have). 

So please, if nerfing all other characters because you're unhappy with Wendy's Skilltree makes you feel better then continue to comment under every single beta forum post recommending nerfs calling Wortox too powerful, calling Walter the new Maxwell and crying about how Wendy is worse than Wes. I and most other people in the Beta forums simply ignore you for the most part. If you had any shred of self-awareness you'd realize that your constant posting of arbitrary buffs and BAIT for Wendy that doesn't make sense are overshadowing the real suggestions other players are posting hence limiting visibility on Wendy's real issues and ultimately contributing to her wave of nerfs.

 

oh and PS: My favorite character is Wanda because Wortox literally had no identity shortly after release hence the Title of the thread.

[Guille6785]

1 hour ago, Y0sH said:

@Guille6785 @Mr Giggio Oh yeah? Well as esteemed Speedrunners I bet you guys can't explain in detail how to rush CC in first Autumn if it's so easy!!

 

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*Pulls out notepad and pen because I legitimately never killed CC in first Autumn and don't have a clue how to* lmao.

 

 

 

tl;dr all you need is to saddle a beefalo asap, have the pearl before day 11, and do the moon caller's event on day 11

The safest strategy to avoid bottle RNG is to take advantage of the timer that naturally spawns a bottle around you every 1-2 days as long as you're on a boat (this timer resets when you go the caves so basically just avoid that). There are two safe routes you can take at the start, either go to the wilds biome, repair a broken chair and relog (which spawns the resting horror without having to go to sacred) then dip out of the caves asap and head to Pearl or just delay the caves until after you've done all other Pearl tasks and then return with the chair. If you're fast enough you can absolutely just get the 2 staves from the ruins at the same time that you get the pearl; all you need is 2 living logs, which the safest method to get is to just head to blue mushtree, which also lets you get the 10 moonrock for Pearl (you need to be experienced with cave generation to avoid wasting time). In the mudworld and mudlights biome you can also find the nightmare werepig which drops 9 marble when you mine the pillars so that's also a guaranteed way to get the marble for Pearl (you can also get 2 stacks of light bulbs for your beefalo here).

When doing the fishing quest, you don't need the heavyweight lure; the heavyweight lure only catches fish above 80% of their weight class, but Pearl actually accepts fish above 70% of their weight class, so if you use the stupefying lure instead (another reward from Pearl's bundles) there's actually 50% more potential fish you can catch that Pearl will accept, although this will require catching every fish in a shoal. The majority of Pearl's tasks are pretty self-explanatory; the only rough ones are rain (you have to be at her island by the morning of day 5; that said, using a rainometer you can actually predict when the rain will happen, although you'll have to make a chart for that since I personally just yolo it in my runs) and the cookie cutter shells; for the latter I'd recommend rowing in opposite areas of the map when rowing for bottles because due to the way salt formations spawn they tend to bunch up together in specific areas of the map.

You should have a lot of leeway here to get both the Pearl and opal gem by day 11; at this point, all you have to do is rush to the archives with your now significantly domesticated beefalo (the speed difference is night and day vs not taming one despite the initial upfront cost), get the sanctum pieces (there are ways to predict where they will spawn but that's outside the scope of this post), take them to the lunar island, assemble the celestial altar, beat up crab king, and once you've activated the moonstorms the rest of the process should be self-explanatory. No character except Wes should take more than 2 days for the actual celestial champion fight so as long as you've obtained all the materials by the beginning of day 19 you're good to go

If you want an example run, here I killed CC as Wilson in the first autumn with 33 minutes to spare and that was while also assembling the shadow pieces, killing AG and gathering stuff for the fuelweaver fight like the fossils: 

 

37 minutes ago, Steorra said:

I'm ready to see a rebalance patch of Wortox later.

Personally I suggested that to keep the powerful privilege of your favourite character as a secret, if you can't accept a potential nerf.

can you not

[Y0sH]

11 minutes ago, Guille6785 said:

tl;dr all you need is to saddle a beefalo asap, have the pearl before day 11, and do the moon caller's event on day 11

The safest strategy to avoid bottle RNG is to take advantage of the timer that naturally spawns a bottle around you every 1-2 days as long as you're on a boat (this timer resets when you go the caves so basically just avoid that). There are two safe routes you can take at the start, either go to the wilds biome, repair a broken chair and relog (which spawns the resting horror without having to go to sacred) then dip out of the caves asap and head to Pearl or just delay the caves until after you've done all other Pearl tasks and then return with the chair. If you're fast enough you can absolutely just get the 2 staves from the ruins at the same time that you get the pearl; all you need is 2 living logs, which the safest method to get is to just head to blue mushtree, which also lets you get the 10 moonrock for Pearl (you need to be experienced with cave generation to avoid wasting time). In the mudworld and mudlights biome you can also find the nightmare werepig which drops 9 marble when you mine the pillars so that's also a guaranteed way to get the marble for Pearl (you can also get 2 stacks of light bulbs for your beefalo here).

When doing the fishing quest, you don't need the heavyweight lure; the heavyweight lure only catches fish above 80% of their weight class, but Pearl actually accepts fish above 70% of their weight class, so if you use the stupefying lure instead (another reward from Pearl's bundles) there's actually 50% more potential fish you can catch that Pearl will accept, although this will require catching every fish in a shoal. The majority of Pearl's tasks are pretty self-explanatory; the only rough ones are rain (you have to be at her island by the morning of day 5; that said, using a rainometer you can actually predict when the rain will happen, although you'll have to make a chart for that since I personally just yolo it in my runs) and the cookie cutter shells; for the latter I'd recommend rowing in opposite areas of the map when rowing for bottles because due to the way salt formations spawn they tend to bunch up together in specific areas of the map.

You should have a lot of leeway here to get both the Pearl and opal gem by day 11; at this point, all you have to do is rush to the archives with your now significantly domesticated beefalo (the speed difference is night and day vs not taming one despite the initial upfront cost), get the sanctum pieces (there are ways to predict where they will spawn but that's outside the scope of this post), take them to the lunar island, assemble the celestial altar, beat up crab king, and once you've activated the moonstorms the rest of the process should be self-explanatory. No character except Wes should take more than 2 days for the actual celestial champion fight so as long as you've obtained all the materials by the beginning of day 19 you're good to go

can you not

Jesus, you people aren't human lol. I had no clue bottles had a boat specific timer. I hate Pearl's stuff so much that in pubs I usually beg someone else to do it lol. I wish I could reset hours played on Steam because 3k hours and not knowing a great deal of this stuff hurts my feelings lol. I have almost 0 knowledge on fishing and farming but I know how to get Wanda's alarming clock in 2 days. (that's all I got lol) Again, thanks guys sorry if I kinda took yall off topic a bit but all this info was very well appreciated. 

[erick was right]

this topic is doomed, everyone can go home cause Klei 99% won't do any big changes (small 1-2 things to shut our mouths max), official update is probably this week or next

[Hollow soul 3]

1 hour ago, Y0sH said:

Stop judging how overall "powerful" a character is off of their speedrunning capabilities.

oh and PS: My favorite character is Wanda because Wortox literally had no identity shortly after release hence the Title of the thread.

Really wanted to highlight these two points. The majority of players aren't speedruners. I think if your argument depends on something your friend was able to do, you should get him to comment instead. Sounds like giggio was not able to reproduce this on his own, so it makes me wonder what his point really is. Like if wortox is that broken, what's your excuse for not using your own run as an example.

 

Second point is what I would prefer to talk about here. The mechanics of souls was copied for embers, almost half the survivors have teleporting baked in their kit, healing was always available with food. Wanda's group teleport is better, we can look at Wendy and woodie for great aeo options. Wanda and Wendy revive better. The map teleport can be replaced with a boot and a boat. Bonus if you put some chests on the boat.

I've just been reading through waiting for someone to give me an example of something unique to wortox. They've stripped it away the various things that made him stand out, after taking additional money for the ability to play as him. 

[Hollow soul 3]

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[DinsdaleP]

On 2/17/2025 at 5:29 PM, Guille6785 said:

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When doing the fishing quest, you don't need the heavyweight lure; the heavyweight lure only catches fish above 80% of their weight class, but Pearl actually accepts fish above 70% of their weight class, so if you use the stupefying lure instead (another reward from Pearl's bundles) there's actually 50% more potential fish you can catch that Pearl will accept, although this will require catching every fish in a shoal.

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Holy ****, this is cool as hell. The bottle trick always has been great, but I didn't even know that you could repair the ruins chairs, that'll help a lot.

Question: what about using Ocean Trawlers? Pearl now gives you 3 fish food for each bottle when 8 friendship points are reached, I kinda feel like those could be easily used to get heavy fish with the trawlers, and if one's lucky enough, you could even spawn a heavy fallounder in the swell ocean next to her island. (I really, really despise fishing from the bottom of my heart, that seems like a usable workaround.)

[Guille6785]

7 minutes ago, DinsdaleP said:

Holy ****, this is cool as hell. The bottle trick always has been great, but I didn't even know that you could repair the ruins chairs, that'll help a lot.

Question: what about using Ocean Trawlers? Pearl now gives you 3 fish food for each bottle when 8 friendship points are reached, I kinda feel like those could be easily used to get heavy fish with the trawlers, and if one's lucky enough, you could even spawn a heavy fallounder in the swell ocean next to her island. (I really, really despise fishing from the bottom of my heart, that seems like a usable workaround.)

good thing about ocean trawlers: if you drop a non-heavy fish back into the water and catch it with a trawler, its weight gets reset because the developers didn't think about it so you get another chance to get heavy fish

bad thing about ocean trawlers: they only check for fish in their radius every 5 seconds or so, which is insanely low for anything to do any sort of check in this game, so a lot of the time the fish just disappear before the trawler catches them

I don't bother, I just use the fishing rod and reel in to bypass the minigame

that said, you can spawn in fish shoals faster by unloading them or catching all the fish in the shoal because existing shoals prevent new ones from spawning