mima_ Posted January 28, 2025 Share Posted January 28, 2025 i mean by them reading your post HERE in forum they proceed didnt make change the way "your community" see fit. dont think they ignore, they just dont see the idea align to their vision to the game i encourage you to keep voicing your suggestion. but claiming things like " klei been abandoning", "klei didnt listen", "developer need to play game" is just big stretch. cus they never once HAVE TO applied every suggestion voiced no matter big support of that idea just because how big player base was. and to me this kind of behaviour is so entitled and snooby. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163473-%E6%89%80%E4%BB%A5%E5%AE%98%E6%96%B9%E6%98%AF%E9%BB%98%E8%AE%A4%E4%BA%86%E7%BA%AF%E4%B8%AD%E6%96%87%E8%B4%B4%E5%9C%A8%E8%AE%BA%E5%9D%9B%E5%B0%86%E6%97%A0%E6%B3%95%E5%BE%97%E5%88%B0%E5%90%8C%E8%8B%B1%E6%96%87%E8%B4%B4%E5%90%8C%E6%A0%B7%E7%9A%84%E5%85%B3%E6%B3%A8%E5%92%8C%E7%BB%B4%E6%8A%A4%E5%90%97/page/4/#findComment-1790583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
yyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Posted January 28, 2025 Share Posted January 28, 2025 Just now, Chewabacca said: Folks, while this is all very interesting, would you mind moving it to a section of the forums that isn't specifically for discussing the beta? General Discussion or Suggestions & Feedback are right there. This question is key to whether feedback and suggestions from the Chinese community can be effectively conveyed to the developers. Clearly, this is closely related to the current beta. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163473-%E6%89%80%E4%BB%A5%E5%AE%98%E6%96%B9%E6%98%AF%E9%BB%98%E8%AE%A4%E4%BA%86%E7%BA%AF%E4%B8%AD%E6%96%87%E8%B4%B4%E5%9C%A8%E8%AE%BA%E5%9D%9B%E5%B0%86%E6%97%A0%E6%B3%95%E5%BE%97%E5%88%B0%E5%90%8C%E8%8B%B1%E6%96%87%E8%B4%B4%E5%90%8C%E6%A0%B7%E7%9A%84%E5%85%B3%E6%B3%A8%E5%92%8C%E7%BB%B4%E6%8A%A4%E5%90%97/page/4/#findComment-1790584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Tangerine Posted January 28, 2025 Share Posted January 28, 2025 Just now, Jakepeng99 said: Yet i did not use it to harrass or mock chinese players. The whole post is written in chinese and he translator did not translate. Go get a useful translator then,that's not a reason for being rude like you,I will forgive you if you are just a immature teenager. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163473-%E6%89%80%E4%BB%A5%E5%AE%98%E6%96%B9%E6%98%AF%E9%BB%98%E8%AE%A4%E4%BA%86%E7%BA%AF%E4%B8%AD%E6%96%87%E8%B4%B4%E5%9C%A8%E8%AE%BA%E5%9D%9B%E5%B0%86%E6%97%A0%E6%B3%95%E5%BE%97%E5%88%B0%E5%90%8C%E8%8B%B1%E6%96%87%E8%B4%B4%E5%90%8C%E6%A0%B7%E7%9A%84%E5%85%B3%E6%B3%A8%E5%92%8C%E7%BB%B4%E6%8A%A4%E5%90%97/page/4/#findComment-1790585 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewabacca Posted January 28, 2025 Share Posted January 28, 2025 Just now, yyyyyyyyyyyyyyy said: This question is key to whether feedback and suggestions from the Chinese community can be effectively conveyed to the developers. Clearly, this is closely related to the current beta. It is related to every single post that will ever be in Chinese on this forum. And if you're asking whether it will be effectively relayed to the developers, clearly the answer is yes, as per the JoeW post. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163473-%E6%89%80%E4%BB%A5%E5%AE%98%E6%96%B9%E6%98%AF%E9%BB%98%E8%AE%A4%E4%BA%86%E7%BA%AF%E4%B8%AD%E6%96%87%E8%B4%B4%E5%9C%A8%E8%AE%BA%E5%9D%9B%E5%B0%86%E6%97%A0%E6%B3%95%E5%BE%97%E5%88%B0%E5%90%8C%E8%8B%B1%E6%96%87%E8%B4%B4%E5%90%8C%E6%A0%B7%E7%9A%84%E5%85%B3%E6%B3%A8%E5%92%8C%E7%BB%B4%E6%8A%A4%E5%90%97/page/4/#findComment-1790587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouKnowWho142 Posted January 28, 2025 Share Posted January 28, 2025 2 hours ago, Lee Sy said: Only few people use русский язык, it's not same with both 中文 and English. The fact that you cannot even hold other languages to the same standard is baffling, this statement is tailored to get a response Saying other languages are invalid because they're in the minority is just as prejudice as you claim us to be, I really hope you get a chance to step away from everything and really consider what you are saying Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163473-%E6%89%80%E4%BB%A5%E5%AE%98%E6%96%B9%E6%98%AF%E9%BB%98%E8%AE%A4%E4%BA%86%E7%BA%AF%E4%B8%AD%E6%96%87%E8%B4%B4%E5%9C%A8%E8%AE%BA%E5%9D%9B%E5%B0%86%E6%97%A0%E6%B3%95%E5%BE%97%E5%88%B0%E5%90%8C%E8%8B%B1%E6%96%87%E8%B4%B4%E5%90%8C%E6%A0%B7%E7%9A%84%E5%85%B3%E6%B3%A8%E5%92%8C%E7%BB%B4%E6%8A%A4%E5%90%97/page/4/#findComment-1790588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quadratordo Posted January 28, 2025 Share Posted January 28, 2025 1 minute ago, Lee Sy said: I promise I have read all the article by JoeW, there's still difference with Klei's statement on bilibili. They can't use two standard. Yes, I'm aware of the communication discrepancies between the two platforms, and I'm with you in that a definitive answer from up high is needed. However I will also point out that your answers prove my original post's point, keeping in mind this isn't in order to hold it against you or anyone else. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163473-%E6%89%80%E4%BB%A5%E5%AE%98%E6%96%B9%E6%98%AF%E9%BB%98%E8%AE%A4%E4%BA%86%E7%BA%AF%E4%B8%AD%E6%96%87%E8%B4%B4%E5%9C%A8%E8%AE%BA%E5%9D%9B%E5%B0%86%E6%97%A0%E6%B3%95%E5%BE%97%E5%88%B0%E5%90%8C%E8%8B%B1%E6%96%87%E8%B4%B4%E5%90%8C%E6%A0%B7%E7%9A%84%E5%85%B3%E6%B3%A8%E5%92%8C%E7%BB%B4%E6%8A%A4%E5%90%97/page/4/#findComment-1790589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Tangerine Posted January 28, 2025 Share Posted January 28, 2025 11 minutes ago, mima_ said: i mean by them reading your post HERE in forum they proceed didnt make change the way "your community" see fit. dont think they ignore, they just dont see the idea align to their vision to the game i encourage you to keep voicing your suggestion. but claiming things like " klei been abandoning", "klei didnt listen", "developer need to play game" is just big stretch. cus they never once HAVE TO applied every suggestion voiced no matter big support of that idea just because how big player base was. and to me this kind of behaviour is so entitled and snooby. I think I'very got your points though I disagree with you,I will keep my opinion until there are enough facts and evidence to convince me.Thank you for your replies anyway. Good night. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163473-%E6%89%80%E4%BB%A5%E5%AE%98%E6%96%B9%E6%98%AF%E9%BB%98%E8%AE%A4%E4%BA%86%E7%BA%AF%E4%B8%AD%E6%96%87%E8%B4%B4%E5%9C%A8%E8%AE%BA%E5%9D%9B%E5%B0%86%E6%97%A0%E6%B3%95%E5%BE%97%E5%88%B0%E5%90%8C%E8%8B%B1%E6%96%87%E8%B4%B4%E5%90%8C%E6%A0%B7%E7%9A%84%E5%85%B3%E6%B3%A8%E5%92%8C%E7%BB%B4%E6%8A%A4%E5%90%97/page/4/#findComment-1790591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
yyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Posted January 28, 2025 Share Posted January 28, 2025 51 minutes ago, Quadratordo said: Ecco qui, un bell'esempio sul perché è necessario che venga previsto l'uso di una singola lingua in un sito come questo. Vi ricordo che stiamo parlando di un forum; un luogo dove una comunità può discutere collettivamente. Introdurre una seconda lingua, specialmente se questa non ha nulla in comune con quella originale (il che rende anche i traduttori automatici qualcosa di non affidabile), pone un divario invalicabile tra chiunque sia nativo/competente in una lingua e chi lo è per l'altra. Per quanto mi riguarda, l'Inglese dovrebbe rimanere l'unica lingua ammessa in questo forum, essendo di fatto la lingua franca mondiale, certamente non per la quantità di anglofoni nativi. Sembrerebbe che il problema qui sia perlopiù la mancante presenza della Klei nei forum Cinesi, il che ha causato in quella community un senso di abbandono, che dunque si è riversata su questo forum, non avendo altri modi per comunicare direttamente con la Klei. La soluzione a ciò sarebbe nell'aumento della presenza della Klei nella community Cinese, non il riversarsi di essa qui, dato il problema esplicato sopra. Non mi aspetto che ogni persona al mondo sia in grado di parlare una lingua comune, ma l'unità linguistica è essenziale per fare uso di questo sito; altrimenti si farebbe prima a ridurre le comunicazioni con la Klei a meri feedback diretti e lasciare a loro l'utilizzo del traduttore. Inutile dire, non sarebbe una buona idea. And here goes a nice example as to why it's necessary for sites like this one to only accept the use of a single language, whichever one it might be. You're free to translate the message above and risk misunderstanding my point due to translating inaccuracies (and remember, it's much worse going from Chinese to English than it is with Italian!) , or you could not do that and wrongly perceive this paragraph as inflammatory. Either way, my point will be made, and the only thing left to do is for Klei to take a stand in the matter. There is one point that needs to be emphasized: Klei's double standard regarding whether the forum supports Chinese is the main reason for dissatisfaction among Chinese players. I agree with most of your points, especially that Klei needs to pay more attention to the Chinese community and clarify the language to be used by forum users. Requiring the use of English only is indeed a possible effective solution, and I will respect and understand the compromises Klei may make to overcome language barriers. However, this cannot be based on ambiguous double standards. Wish you a happy new year. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163473-%E6%89%80%E4%BB%A5%E5%AE%98%E6%96%B9%E6%98%AF%E9%BB%98%E8%AE%A4%E4%BA%86%E7%BA%AF%E4%B8%AD%E6%96%87%E8%B4%B4%E5%9C%A8%E8%AE%BA%E5%9D%9B%E5%B0%86%E6%97%A0%E6%B3%95%E5%BE%97%E5%88%B0%E5%90%8C%E8%8B%B1%E6%96%87%E8%B4%B4%E5%90%8C%E6%A0%B7%E7%9A%84%E5%85%B3%E6%B3%A8%E5%92%8C%E7%BB%B4%E6%8A%A4%E5%90%97/page/4/#findComment-1790592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaDa_waw Posted January 28, 2025 Share Posted January 28, 2025 23 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said: Still Chinese. You guys will need to translate to English if it wont work. This may be the last time I use translation below this post, because I think you may indeed have some conceptual deficiencies. Because the forum allows the use of Chinese, and this is a Chinese themed post, if you cannot understand what others are saying, you should find a translator yourself and translate your own words to respond. This is not difficult, every player can abide by it, and even many Chinese users take the initiative to do it because of their high quality, unless you pursue an disharmonious and equal community environment, requiring everyone to communicate according to your language habits, which is obviously arrogant and unacceptable. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163473-%E6%89%80%E4%BB%A5%E5%AE%98%E6%96%B9%E6%98%AF%E9%BB%98%E8%AE%A4%E4%BA%86%E7%BA%AF%E4%B8%AD%E6%96%87%E8%B4%B4%E5%9C%A8%E8%AE%BA%E5%9D%9B%E5%B0%86%E6%97%A0%E6%B3%95%E5%BE%97%E5%88%B0%E5%90%8C%E8%8B%B1%E6%96%87%E8%B4%B4%E5%90%8C%E6%A0%B7%E7%9A%84%E5%85%B3%E6%B3%A8%E5%92%8C%E7%BB%B4%E6%8A%A4%E5%90%97/page/4/#findComment-1790595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
yyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Posted January 28, 2025 Share Posted January 28, 2025 19 minutes ago, Chewabacca said: It is related to every single post that will ever be in Chinese on this forum. And if you're asking whether it will be effectively relayed to the developers, clearly the answer is yes, as per the JoeW post. I'm afraid the actual effect depends on the content of the hotfix updates. In other words, it reflects on the game content itself rather than in the developers' posts. It’s important to note that the dissatisfaction from the Chinese community fundamentally stems from the game content itself. Please refrain from subconsciously asking me further into what exactly the dissatisfaction is about. If the forum's feedback mechanism is truly effective, you should be able to find the answers in other topics. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163473-%E6%89%80%E4%BB%A5%E5%AE%98%E6%96%B9%E6%98%AF%E9%BB%98%E8%AE%A4%E4%BA%86%E7%BA%AF%E4%B8%AD%E6%96%87%E8%B4%B4%E5%9C%A8%E8%AE%BA%E5%9D%9B%E5%B0%86%E6%97%A0%E6%B3%95%E5%BE%97%E5%88%B0%E5%90%8C%E8%8B%B1%E6%96%87%E8%B4%B4%E5%90%8C%E6%A0%B7%E7%9A%84%E5%85%B3%E6%B3%A8%E5%92%8C%E7%BB%B4%E6%8A%A4%E5%90%97/page/4/#findComment-1790600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sy Posted January 28, 2025 Share Posted January 28, 2025 32 minutes ago, YouKnowWho142 said: The fact that you cannot even hold other languages to the same standard is baffling, this statement is tailored to get a response Question about cost, if all users could take charge of any languages in a moment, no such problem. The truth is that there're more Chinese playing this game, to meet the majority's experience, the minority will be sacrificed, that's fair. 总要有代价，我们不可能一下子掌握地球上的所有语言，而这个游戏更多地是由中国玩家在玩，满足大多数的利益，没什么问题。 Each of us are equal, that's no doubt, but it make chaos if all of us used our own languages, so English came out. But it still not convenient for half users, then Klei said "support Chinese", that's not weird for a language which was spoken by more than 14,0000,0000. How about others? Only few country and few people use, I respect it for wasn't invaded by English, and each of languages are equal as well. But it still can't be compared with Chinese and English in both influence and population, that's truth, and I just tell it. 我们是平等的，但如果所有人都使用各自的语言会造成混乱，所以英语来咯。但仍有半数玩家不够方便，然后科雷告诉我们「支持中文」，对于一门有着14亿以上人口的语言来说，也没什么奇怪的。但其他的，如俄语，印尼语呢？只有少数国家和少数人在使用，我尊重所有的语言也是平等的，而且所幸没有被英语入侵，但其他语言仍无法就影响力和使用人数上与中文和英语相提并论，这无关其他，这是事实，我只是说出来而已。 Above all, we have our own lively Chinese community, much more active and creative than this forum, none of us will be willing to come here. It's common that a foreign game company register an account on Chinese Internet, and communicate with its fans. I have to say Klei is an exception, but it could be forgiven before due to the brilliant and timely updates. And it changes in recent years, too much terrible designs since the second skill tree and less update compared with before. 总而言之，我们有自己活跃的中文社区，比论坛好得多，没有人想来这里。一家外国游戏公司在中文互联网注册账号并与中国粉丝交流是很常见的，而克雷是个例外，如果他能保持稳定的高质量更新，这都可以被原谅。但自从「来自域外」版本后，更新质量降低，更新频次也在下降。 Klei need to respond to the voice from China, if not, just believe the words like "Wendy is strong", disaster. 克雷需要回应中国玩家的声音，否则，如果只是听信所谓的「温蒂太强辣」的评论，真的是灾难。 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163473-%E6%89%80%E4%BB%A5%E5%AE%98%E6%96%B9%E6%98%AF%E9%BB%98%E8%AE%A4%E4%BA%86%E7%BA%AF%E4%B8%AD%E6%96%87%E8%B4%B4%E5%9C%A8%E8%AE%BA%E5%9D%9B%E5%B0%86%E6%97%A0%E6%B3%95%E5%BE%97%E5%88%B0%E5%90%8C%E8%8B%B1%E6%96%87%E8%B4%B4%E5%90%8C%E6%A0%B7%E7%9A%84%E5%85%B3%E6%B3%A8%E5%92%8C%E7%BB%B4%E6%8A%A4%E5%90%97/page/4/#findComment-1790602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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