Stop shifting the responsibility to players.

[Steorra]

Whatever the changes happened, and whatever if the "working in parallel" was truth or not, all decisions were made by Klei. We are here for as free QA to give free feedback. There's no reason to shift the responsibility to us more. Whether the character you play, remember that all the changes to your characters was be made of Klei but not other players. 

You can't blame others who were obsessed with nerfing, since the nerfing is a decision of Klei.

You can't blame others who were dissatisfied with current beta, since it's Klei to decide delay the beta, not players decided.

 

[SpiderSister]

We can blame people for breaking the rules of the forum, including but not limited to personal attacks against developers and forum members, and off-topic posts such as this one.

We're not blaming you for your opinions on the game. We blame you for how you communicate on the forums.

Also, there's no responsibility on Klei's part to listen to any specific opinions on the game, regardless of how many times you say there is.

[Yifei_]

I really don't want some issues to be transformed into internal conflicts within the player community. For example, language issues. Or the problem with the skill tree.

[Steorra]

1 hour ago, SpiderSister said:

We can blame people for breaking the rules of the forum, including but not limited to personal attacks against developers and forum members, and off-topic posts such as this one.

We're not blaming you for your opinions on the game. We blame you for how you communicate on the forums.

Where's the "we" in your words? I have seen many accusations towards "Wendy players" here. Hoping you are honest and fair enough to report those threads which were only make the chaos more worse.

[Uedo]

2 hours ago, SpiderSister said:

We can blame people for breaking the rules of the forum, including but not limited to personal attacks against developers and forum members, and off-topic posts such as this one.

We're not blaming you for your opinions on the game. We blame you for how you communicate on the forums.

Also, there's no responsibility on Klei's part to listen to any specific opinions on the game, regardless of how many times you say there is.

This post isn't off topic, the OP has created the topic in regards to the beta and the feedback around it. Stop.

[Gashzer]

Klei does 100% cave to player outrage.

So yes we can blame the players/forums users for creating outrage.

Chinese players tho come across as extremely snobby with statements like "90% of dst playerbase is Chinese that means Klei needs to pay extra attention to our ideas" could be a translation issue but the continued outrage over the last 2 months proves this isn't the case.

Which of course is a load of bull. Alot of ideas for Wendy are down right unreasonable and the fact Wendy's skilltree has got so much special treatment over Wortox/Walter is due to the pressure Chinese players have put on Klei.

Wendy is already an extremely powerful character because if you just play the game without doing the optional boss fight, abigail completely destroys hound waves and spiders, making general survival extremely easy for new players. This is Wendy's big strength.

And Chinese players complain that Wendy is weak for boss fights? Wendy should be weak for boss fights!!! Wendy can't get it all. But she already can get more damage using an ornery beefalo so default Wendy isn't weaker at boss fights at all.

[SpiderSister]

11 minutes ago, Steorra said:

Where's the "we" in your words? I have seen many accusations towards "Wendy players" here. Hoping you are honest and fair enough to report those threads which were only make the chaos more worse.

There are at least 24 people agreeing with this post.

Edit:

You can also see at least 7 people agreeing with the post on this topic, specifically.

[Steorra]

2 hours ago, SpiderSister said:

We can blame people for breaking the rules of the forum, including but not limited to personal attacks against developers and forum members, and off-topic posts such as this one.

We're not blaming you for your opinions on the game. We blame you for how you communicate on the forums.

Also, there's no responsibility on Klei's part to listen to any specific opinions on the game, regardless of how many times you say there is.

And here is an example about how hatred breeding hatred, about why we reap the fruit like these now.

Many users here would give a strange "friendly" response towards those who have different opinions, or towards those who were judged as an outsider or a member of Chinese group. They simply look down at those who they dislike, ignoring most the evidence from the OP, and give a randomly "friendly" accusations.

I have almost never seen anyone had trying to stop such behaviours, including those who seems were seeking the justice like you. All of you would simply ignore those behaviours and pretend that those behaviours never happened. Then all of you turn to your attention to victim of the behaviours. Your actions like this would only diminish your credibility and make your words become seems like victim blaming.

Here's the original post relative with the screenshot.

https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163288-its-late-but-my-thoughts-experience-on-wendy-beta-tree/?do=findComment&comment=1787735

[SpiderSister]

48 minutes ago, Uedo said:

This post isn't off topic, the OP has created the topic in regards to the beta and the feedback around it. Stop.

Talking about responsibilities, of which there are none other than for people to abide the community guidelines if they want to participate in the forums, and saying that Klei is responsible for everything is a clear off-topic discussion.

Edit:

It's also spam, as there was a post less than a week ago, to which OP reacted (thus confirming that they saw it) named "Do not shift responsibilty onto the player".

[Gashzer]

1 minute ago, Steorra said:

And here is an example about how hatred breeding hatred, about why we reap the fruit like these now.

Many users here would give a strange "friendly" response towards those who have different opinions, or towards those who were judged as an outsider or a member of Chinese group. They simply look down at those who they dislike, ignoring most the evidence from the OP, and give a randomly "friendly" accusations.

I have almost never seen anyone had trying to stop such behaviours, including those who seems were seeking the justice like you. All of you would simply ignore those behaviours and pretend that those behaviours never happened. Then all of you turn to your attention to victim of the behaviours. Your actions like this would only diminish your credibility and make your words become seems like victim blaming.

Dst forums isnt a court of law where you need to use such professional language.

Using a broad stroke here, Chinese DST players as a group have came across as extremely snobby. Demanding changes and being overall offensive. Ofc regular forum users are going to be hostile towards that.

Simple as that.

[Yifei_]

11 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Klei does 100% cave to player outrage.

So yes we can blame the players/forums users for creating outrage.

Chinese players tho come across as extremely snobby with statements like "90% of dst playerbase is Chinese that means Klei needs to pay extra attention to our ideas" could be a translation issue but the continued outrage over the last 2 months proves this isn't the case.

Which of course is a load of bull. Alot of ideas for Wendy are down right unreasonable and the fact Wendy's skilltree has got so much special treatment over Wortox/Walter is due to the pressure Chinese players have put on Klei.

Wendy is already an extremely powerful character because if you just play the game without doing the optional boss fight, abigail completely destroys hound waves and spiders, making general survival extremely easy for new players. This is Wendy's big strength.

And Chinese players complain that Wendy is weak for boss fights? Wendy should be weak for boss fights!!! Wendy can't get it all. But she already can get more damage using an ornery beefalo so default Wendy isn't weaker at boss fights at all.

It's really interesting to see you deliberately slander the Chinese player community and create conflicts within the player group. Please continue your performance.

[Steorra]

12 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Dst forums isnt a court of law where you need to use such professional language.

Using a broad stroke here, Chinese DST players as a group have came across as extremely snobby. Demanding changes and being overall offensive. Ofc regular forum users are going to be hostile towards that.

Simple as that.

Then don't blame who suffered bias give same "friendly" response back. That's what we deserved.

Dingle was said "we all reap what we sow." And these were the "what we sow".

Simple as that.

22 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Alot of ideas for Wendy are down right unreasonable

 

12 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Dst forums isnt a court of law

Oh, this forum isn't a court of law, so then you could judge other freely right?

Simply disrespect to others opinions and judge them, give them "friendly" replies, later they give same thing back to you, then you shout as "see? These people were bad guys I've told you!"

Kek.

[Gashzer]

4 minutes ago, Yifei_ said:

It's really interesting to see you deliberately slander the Chinese player community and create conflicts within the player group. Please continue your performance.

Not slander, everything is archived on the forums, just go back through the beta forums and look for yourselves.

Bluntly pointing out the truth is better than all this fake moral high grounding everyone is trying to do.

[Yifei_]

Just now, Gashzer said:

Not slander, everything is archived on the forums, just go back through the beta forums and look for yourselves.

Bluntly pointing out the truth is better than all this fake moral high grounding everyone is trying to do.

It’s really interesting to see you go further with your slander and rumor-mongering.

[SilverSpoon]

2 hours ago, SpiderSister said:

We can blame people for breaking the rules of the forum, including but not limited to personal attacks against developers and forum members, and off-topic posts such as this one.

We're not blaming you for your opinions on the game. We blame you for how you communicate on the forums.

Also, there's no responsibility on Klei's part to listen to any specific opinions on the game, regardless of how many times you say there is.

You are already labeling and blaming "People", "Chinese" and "Wendy players" instead of "how you communicate". This is not good.

[Steorra]

5 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Not slander,

Yes, of course not slander, it's a simple strategy which need complex explanation.

Once we hate someone "A" by their opinions, bloodline, race or whatever "X", we just define that "A" was included by "X".

Laterly we found "B" is another one who we dislike by no reason, but "B" was included by "X". Then we have a reason to disrespect "B" by "X".

Then all "X" could be disrespected by same reason, whatever every single people did right or wrong. As long as those people was included by "X", then they have same sin as the original "A".

And that's called as bias, or something more. Of course you knew what this behaviour called as by people.

[Steorra]

34 minutes ago, SpiderSister said:

It's also spam

This post is focused on the atmosphere of our community.

That post you mentioned was focused on Wendy's skill tree.

And also, these two were obviously different to some of you. Because:

This post was posted by an outsider.

That post you mentioned was posted by a user who suffered no bias from you.

 

It seems you are trying to "report to delete" this post for erase the argument I gave which is not good for your opinions. And I guess that's a side evidence for the reason why you give no response to what I replied you above.