Yifei_ Posted January 26, 2025 Share Posted January 26, 2025 In the last hotfix, the changes regarding Lunar Abigail were only mentioned by @Jason as follows: On 1/24/2025 at 8:27 AM, Jason said: Gestalt Abigail behaviour tweaks: Range to initiate an attack is longer than default. However, there were other changes that haven't been mentioned. Specifically: The 1-second stun was changed to a 2-second stun. The first 1s is the time it takes for Lunar Abigail to transform from a "sphere" into her gestalt form, and the second 1s is the previous 1s stun. ai.mp4 The Attack At command for Lunar Abigail in Team Spirits deals no damage. The previous AOE was removed, and there is also no single-target damage from this skill. aoe.mp4 Previous discussion on Lunar Abigail: Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163431-the-nerfs-to-lunar-abigail-that-were-not-mentioned-in-the-last-hotfix/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyjs Posted January 26, 2025 Share Posted January 26, 2025 Is this a surprise for players who like to research? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163431-the-nerfs-to-lunar-abigail-that-were-not-mentioned-in-the-last-hotfix/#findComment-1789565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yifei_ Posted January 26, 2025 Author Share Posted January 26, 2025 2 minutes ago, cyjs said: Is this a surprise for players who like to research? I feel that the impact of these two changes is much greater than the "attack range" changes that @Jason mentioned. I don't understand why these two changes were not communicated to the players. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163431-the-nerfs-to-lunar-abigail-that-were-not-mentioned-in-the-last-hotfix/#findComment-1789569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzzzzzzzzzz Posted January 26, 2025 Share Posted January 26, 2025 这个消息可真冷啊，我的心也是 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163431-the-nerfs-to-lunar-abigail-that-were-not-mentioned-in-the-last-hotfix/#findComment-1789571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lio516 Posted January 26, 2025 Share Posted January 26, 2025 I don't understand why they put so many restrictions on it, it makes me sick。There are so many characters with higher intensity than him, and the fact that he has to be targeted all the time makes me suspect that someone is trying to target and disgust roleplayers Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163431-the-nerfs-to-lunar-abigail-that-were-not-mentioned-in-the-last-hotfix/#findComment-1789591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steorra Posted January 26, 2025 Share Posted January 26, 2025 Oh great. So that means toward the issue of Lunar Abi, Klei was not only ignored the majority opinions, but even goes a completely opposite direction? Wow. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163431-the-nerfs-to-lunar-abigail-that-were-not-mentioned-in-the-last-hotfix/#findComment-1789624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSpoon Posted January 26, 2025 Share Posted January 26, 2025 Please don't be too hard on Klei as this may be a bug. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163431-the-nerfs-to-lunar-abigail-that-were-not-mentioned-in-the-last-hotfix/#findComment-1789627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaDa_waw Posted January 26, 2025 Share Posted January 26, 2025 This behavior is not the first time, deliberately imposing new restrictions, and even not daring to mention them in the update logs, which is already disgusting. Continuously provoking dissatisfaction will only make people more angry Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163431-the-nerfs-to-lunar-abigail-that-were-not-mentioned-in-the-last-hotfix/#findComment-1789737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingle Posted January 26, 2025 Share Posted January 26, 2025 5 hours ago, Yifei_ said: In the last hotfix, the changes regarding Lunar Abigail were only mentioned by @Jason as follows: However, there were other changes that haven't been mentioned. Specifically: The 1-second stun was changed to a 2-second stun. The first 1s is the time it takes for Lunar Abigail to transform from a "sphere" into her gestalt form, and the second 1s is the previous 1s stun. ai.mp4 36.7 MB · 0 downloads The Attack At command for Lunar Abigail in Team Spirits deals no damage. The previous AOE was removed, and there is also no single-target damage from this skill. aoe.mp4 45.56 MB · 0 downloads Previous discussion on Lunar Abigail: Second issue was submitted as a bug report, already. Kind of seems like both may just be bugs? But it's hard to tell with the first one. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163431-the-nerfs-to-lunar-abigail-that-were-not-mentioned-in-the-last-hotfix/#findComment-1789738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike23Ua Posted January 26, 2025 Share Posted January 26, 2025 I don’t really care about the nerfs, but I DO think something that’s aligned with Lunar and thus on par with a Brightshade Staff, should be able to quickly bounce between targets like using a Brightshade Staff… I mean Goo-Abby or whatever you want to call her should be able to dart and bounce between deadly Brightshade clusters just like using the actual staff against them. That is the one and only thing I definitely expected Moon Aligned Abigail would be able to do. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163431-the-nerfs-to-lunar-abigail-that-were-not-mentioned-in-the-last-hotfix/#findComment-1789751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WenericMember Posted January 26, 2025 Share Posted January 26, 2025 Yeah these changes should be reverted, there's really no reason for them. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163431-the-nerfs-to-lunar-abigail-that-were-not-mentioned-in-the-last-hotfix/#findComment-1789790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yifei_ Posted January 27, 2025 Author Share Posted January 27, 2025 10 hours ago, SilverSpoon said: Please don't be too hard on Klei as this may be a bug. 6 hours ago, Dingle said: Second issue was submitted as a bug report, already. Kind of seems like both may just be bugs? But it's hard to tell with the first one. This might indeed be a bug? I remember in the previous beta version, when using the Lunar Abigail with a potion and the "Attack at" option, it could cause 100 AOE planar damage as well as her inherent physical damage. Perhaps Klei will express their stance in the bug report, and I appreciate you pointing out this possibility. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163431-the-nerfs-to-lunar-abigail-that-were-not-mentioned-in-the-last-hotfix/#findComment-1789883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Giggio Posted January 27, 2025 Share Posted January 27, 2025 12 hours ago, lio516 said: I don't understand why they put so many restrictions on it, it makes me sick 7 hours ago, DaDa_waw said: which is already disgusting. Continuously provoking dissatisfaction will only make people more angry why u guys are mad in the first place tho it can indeed be a bug And even if its not Wendy as a fighter role got improved SO MUCH Like keep the chill Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163431-the-nerfs-to-lunar-abigail-that-were-not-mentioned-in-the-last-hotfix/#findComment-1789903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debruh Posted January 27, 2025 Share Posted January 27, 2025 3 minutes ago, Mr Giggio said: why u guys are mad in the first place tho it can indeed be a bug And even if its not Wendy as a fighter role got improved SO MUCH Like keep the chill The contrast between their comments here and elsewhere, and the profile pictures is astounding Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163431-the-nerfs-to-lunar-abigail-that-were-not-mentioned-in-the-last-hotfix/#findComment-1789906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yifei_ Posted January 27, 2025 Author Share Posted January 27, 2025 The pictures show the nerfs Klei gave to Lunar Abigail in terms of sprint commands. It can be seen that if Abigail has the gestalt tag, the dash_attack_onupdate in the first image will immediately exit, and the special effects in the second image will not be generated. Summary: This is not a bug. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163431-the-nerfs-to-lunar-abigail-that-were-not-mentioned-in-the-last-hotfix/#findComment-1789912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yifei_ Posted January 27, 2025 Author Share Posted January 27, 2025 This is the logic related to stun, and Klei has not made any changes here. However, in reality, the animation gestalt_attack_pst played on line 886 has been modified by Klei. Before Lunar Abigail transforms from a small ball back to her original form, Klei added a one-second animation of the small ball hovering, making Abigail's actual stun time longer. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163431-the-nerfs-to-lunar-abigail-that-were-not-mentioned-in-the-last-hotfix/#findComment-1789930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzzzzzzzzzz Posted January 27, 2025 Share Posted January 27, 2025 2小时前，Yifei_说： The pictures show the nerfs Klei gave to Lunar Abigail in terms of sprint commands. It can be seen that if Abigail has the gestalt tag, the dash_attack_onupdate in the first image will immediately exit, and the special effects in the second image will not be generated. Summary: This is not a bug. 2小时前，Yifei_说： 这是与stun相关的逻辑，Klei没有在这里做任何更改。然而，实际上，886行播放的动画格式塔_攻击_pst已被Klei修改。在Lunar Abigail从一个小球变回原来的形态之前，Klei添加了一个小球盘旋的一秒动画，使Abigail的实际击倒时间更长。 Designer do this on purpose? Is it because our suggestions on the skill tree make the designers unhappy that they made such a decision to answer us? 设计师是故意为之的吗？是因为我们对技能树的建议惹得设计师不开心了用这样的方式来回答我们吗？ Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163431-the-nerfs-to-lunar-abigail-that-were-not-mentioned-in-the-last-hotfix/#findComment-1789974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaDa_waw Posted January 27, 2025 Share Posted January 27, 2025 3 hours ago, Mr Giggio said: why u guys are mad in the first place tho it can indeed be a bug And even if its not Wendy as a fighter role got improved SO MUCH Wendy as a fighter role got improved SO MUCH Like keep the chill Please pay attention to the key point of 'not doing this kind of thing for the first time'. There is a limit to human tolerance. KLei always makes this unpleasant gesture, even if it is really a bug, is it not allowed for people to complain about the quality of their work? How many bugs can KLei discover by opening the game? Can the results be brought into the game every time, and are players just free testing staff? And, I don't understand what you mean by 'even if it's not Wendy as a fighter'. In my understanding, you want to indicate that Wendy's advantage is not in combat. Can you give me an example? Does Wendy have any outstanding qualities outside of combat? Even the battle itself is not particularly outstanding for Wendy, but she can't find any advantages outside of the battle, can she? Please don't let me interpret your words as such annoying thoughts as' being a character without outstanding strengths is Wendy's characteristic '. 3 hours ago, Mr Giggio said: it can indeed be a bug Moreover, it has been proven that this approach is not a bug, but rather a deliberate effort by KLei. This is not interesting at all. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163431-the-nerfs-to-lunar-abigail-that-were-not-mentioned-in-the-last-hotfix/#findComment-1789978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul7k Posted January 27, 2025 Share Posted January 27, 2025 this needs to be fixed Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163431-the-nerfs-to-lunar-abigail-that-were-not-mentioned-in-the-last-hotfix/#findComment-1789989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_b00mer Posted January 27, 2025 Share Posted January 27, 2025 2 hours ago, DaDa_waw said: Does Wendy have any outstanding qualities outside of combat? Even the battle itself is not particularly outstanding for Wendy, but she can't find any advantages outside of the battle, can she? Please don't let me interpret your words as such annoying thoughts as' being a character without outstanding strengths is Wendy's characteristic ' The thing is wendy is already great fighter, her crowd control is just insane. There is no need to make her overpowered in both cc and single target combat. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163431-the-nerfs-to-lunar-abigail-that-were-not-mentioned-in-the-last-hotfix/#findComment-1789997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edible Coal Posted January 27, 2025 Share Posted January 27, 2025 6 minutes ago, Black_b00mer said: The thing is wendy is already great fighter, her crowd control is just insane. There is no need to make her overpowered in both cc and single target combat. i mean everyone just pick shadow side which shows lunar bad Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163431-the-nerfs-to-lunar-abigail-that-were-not-mentioned-in-the-last-hotfix/#findComment-1790000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaDa_waw Posted January 27, 2025 Share Posted January 27, 2025 13 minutes ago, Black_b00mer said: The thing is wendy is already great fighter, her crowd control is just insane. There is no need to make her overpowered in both cc and single target combat. Would you be willing to provide detailed examples for it? Because as far as I know, the most dangerous group environment in the game is the Ruins during riots. And Wendy is useless here. contrary, woodie、Willow、 Wolfgang can face Ruins directly, they are clearly more powerful combat characters, and their functions are far more than just combat. I hope you can tell me something that can serve as evidence of Wendy's strengths to convince me. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163431-the-nerfs-to-lunar-abigail-that-were-not-mentioned-in-the-last-hotfix/#findComment-1790001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steorra Posted January 27, 2025 Share Posted January 27, 2025 6 hours ago, Mr Giggio said: why u guys are mad in the first place tho it can indeed be a bug And even if its not Wendy as a fighter role got improved SO MUCH Like keep the chill You need not to be a fly monkey for gaslighting here, according to the code it was definitely intended but not a bug. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163431-the-nerfs-to-lunar-abigail-that-were-not-mentioned-in-the-last-hotfix/#findComment-1790003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lio516 Posted January 27, 2025 Share Posted January 27, 2025 30 minutes ago, Black_b00mer said: The thing is wendy is already great fighter, her crowd control is just insane. There is no need to make her overpowered in both cc and single target combat. His characteristic is that he is very good against bees and spiders, but the other characters' skill trees are pure enhancement, I don't understand why there are so many restrictions to make players sick Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163431-the-nerfs-to-lunar-abigail-that-were-not-mentioned-in-the-last-hotfix/#findComment-1790005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koomin Posted January 27, 2025 Share Posted January 27, 2025 Hmm before the patch: Shadow Abigail way too powerful with 30 planar defense, and shadow vex doing tons of damage pre rift and insignificant damage post rift. Normal suggestions are made to reduce planar defense and adjust vex to deal reduced damage but planar. Gestalt Abigail in a great final state. After the patch: Shadow Abigail still a menace with none of the problematic things changed Gestalt Abigail is weakened instead I have no clue what the idea here was. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163431-the-nerfs-to-lunar-abigail-that-were-not-mentioned-in-the-last-hotfix/#findComment-1790017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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