Reviving a Butterfly should cost 1 mourning glory instead of 2

[Wendyskill]

19 minutes ago, Reiko24 said:

I disagree. Abigail is already a Shadow magic related entity. And the murdering part is a nice memento to the original Don't Starve.

Mouring glory1 has no effect on lunar power, Does mouring glory1 belong to shadow power？So why pay for one mistake to pay for another?Just for memento？Why not just try playing the don't starve？

[aidankocherhans]

4 hours ago, Anis5240 said:

Man, idek why y'all being so mad about the exchange rate of 2 mourning glories for 1 butterfly revival when Wilson players been using 3 morsels -> 1 meat for ages already.

You mean the best skill in his tree? The exchange rate is fine, it fully refreshes the meat, can be turned back into 2 fresh morsels, and lets you use recipes that require large meat. The butterfly thing requires a much more valuable resource for a pretty small benefit per mourning glory

4 hours ago, Anis5240 said:

And you still lost 1 morsel in the process of turning those meats back to morsels.

Way better than 3 more rot

4 hours ago, Anis5240 said:

Meanwhile the other gem transmutes:

Gem transmute is great, many gems are useless after a certain point but green gems always have value.

His ore transmutes are the ones with a rough conversion rate, 3 rocks to a flint is a net loss overall

[Anis5240]

3 hours ago, aidankocherhans said:

The butterfly thing requires a much more valuable resource for a pretty small benefit per mourning glory

so y'all just want free damage boost at this point. Ok, I will frame this and post this in every Wendy threads.

[Steorra]

9 minutes ago, Anis5240 said:

so y'all just want free damage boost at this point. Ok, I will frame this and post this in every Wendy threads.

I was supporting for the rework of Wilson tree. I'm not sure if I would or not in future if the hatred would be spreading by this way.

[Anis5240]

1 minute ago, Steorra said:

I'm not sure if I would or not in future if the hatred would be spreading by this way.

Y'all Wendy players already get much much better things compared to Wilson. I'm just giving my two cents here. After all, what's a few visits to spider nests for silks for catching those butterflies huh? It's just the same thing as catching moongleams for CC quest/trading resources at the unnatural portal. It's tedious, it's boring and you can't even bundle those because they will fly out the bundle when you unwrap it making it 2x the work to recatch them. Would you rather have skills where Wendy can catch butterflies with her bare hands?

[Steorra]

4 minutes ago, Anis5240 said:

Would you rather have skills where Wendy can catch butterflies with her bare hands?

I rather completely stop the mess we trapped here and push the Wilson tree reworking and controller improving now. Just NOW.

They would be far meaningful than these endless argument here.

Jealous and hatred would only makes your potential voters away from you. Please stop.

 

[aidankocherhans]

1 hour ago, Anis5240 said:

so y'all just want free damage boost at this point. Ok, I will frame this and post this in every Wendy threads.

Chill tf out, nobody thinks this is a worthwhile trade, and I don't even want Wendy to get stronger. Get mad at someone who's actually being unreasonable

[Anis5240]

5 hours ago, aidankocherhans said:

You mean the best skill in his tree? The exchange rate is fine

and that's what I'm talking about. you Wendy players can just use spoiling butterfly wings to achieve new living butterflies. or are you lot just so lazy to do pipspook quests when you can literally move graves to be nearer to your base/preferred location?

[CremeLover]

20 minutes ago, Anis5240 said:

and that's what I'm talking about. you Wendy players can just use spoiling butterfly wings to achieve new living butterflies. or are you lot just so lazy to do pipspook quests when you can literally move graves to be nearer to your base/preferred location?

Silk is basically free for Wendy, just go to your local bee/killer bee biome/bee farm and catch yourself a stack on a fraction of the time.

Also, I don't think Wilson's skill tree should be taking as a standart when balancing current/future skill trees. Is like making a new character and deciding Wes is the standart you should balance around.

[Anis5240]

2 minutes ago, CremeLover said:

Also, I don't think Wilson's skill tree should be taking as a standart when balancing current/future skill trees.

did I ever say this? No? 

[CremeLover]

2 minutes ago, Anis5240 said:

did I ever say this? No? 

 

11 hours ago, Anis5240 said:

Man, idek why y'all being so mad about the exchange rate of 2 mourning glories for 1 butterfly revival when Wilson players been using 3 morsels -> 1 meat for ages already.

9 hours ago, Anis5240 said:

and? so what? Wilson has those material grindings too, literally over half of his character skill tree points was about it. Also this is a survival game for god's sake, not boss fight simulator #5797489. You should work hard to make the efforts worthwhile.

You used Wilson as a frame of reference when comparing it to Wendy skill tree.

 

 

[Anis5240]

1 minute ago, CremeLover said:

You used Wilson as a frame of reference when comparing it to Wendy skill tree.

And it's just about those amounts of conversion. So what? You lot got the better deal compared to Wilson anyway. Or does having the skill to increase mourning glories from each pipspook quest not worth for you?

[CremeLover]

1 minute ago, Anis5240 said:

And it's just about those amounts of conversion. So what? You lot got the better deal compared to Wilson anyway. Or does having the skill to increase mourning glories from each pipspook quest not worth for you?

I was just expressing my opinion. Comparing to Wilson skill tree is liking comparing to Wes regarding combat output, and I doubt anybody would use Wilson's tree as a frame of reference for how to balance other character's trees.

The topic was more about using mourning glory to revive butterflies in a way that is wasteful, as mourning glories are more valuable than 1 butterfly.

And yes I would pick that skill, I hate pipspook quests, whatever makes me spend less time doing them the better.

[Anis5240]

1 minute ago, CremeLover said:

The topic was more about using mourning glory to revive butterflies in a way that is wasteful, as mourning glories are more valuable than 1 butterfly.

And? It's optional anyway. As I said, you lot just getting so lazy on working to get what you want. You lot got too dependant on Abigail to even bother actually fighting as Wendy herself. And no, having beefalo doesn't count. So Wes players fight melee just fine. Why shouldn't you lot do the same for once? Not the game you want? Play something else.

[DVGMedia]

2 minutes ago, Anis5240 said:

And? It's optional anyway. As I said, you lot just getting so lazy on working to get what you want. You lot got too dependant on Abigail to even bother actually fighting as Wendy herself. And no, having beefalo doesn't count. So Wes players fight melee just fine. Why shouldn't you lot do the same for once? Not the game you want? Play something else.

Because thats the character? thats like being mad at wolfgang for doing double damage

 

[Anis5240]

1 minute ago, DVGMedia said:

Because thats the character? thats like being mad at wolfgang for doing double damage

At least with Wolfgang you still gotta work on getting mightiness. Wendy? "Oh no let me just sic my ghost sister while I just watch everything goes down, how fun!"

[DVGMedia]

2 minutes ago, Anis5240 said:

At least with Wolfgang you still gotta work on getting mightiness. Wendy? "Oh no let me just sic my ghost sister while I just watch everything goes down, how fun!"

and? abby will die without preparedness anyway so what is your point?

 

[CremeLover]

10 minutes ago, Anis5240 said:

And? It's optional anyway. As I said, you lot just getting so lazy on working to get what you want. You lot got too dependant on Abigail to even bother actually fighting as Wendy herself. And no, having beefalo doesn't count. So Wes players fight melee just fine. Why shouldn't you lot do the same for once? Not the game you want? Play something else.

Not sure why, but you seem really are mad about this for some reason.

I make an effort not to use potions and keep Abigail alive during fights, as I hate the pipspook quest. I use a beefalo that I tame during the course of an entire season, sorry if it offends you. And no, I'm not planning on fighting using only Wendy with no Abigail, not sure what the point would be.

I choose how to play the game the game I want, and if you really think is really braindead afk easy, try keeping Abigail alive through most bosses in the game without using potions.

[Debruh]

I think it's fine how it is tbh. It's not you paying for the cost of a bugnet, but more of you paying to be able to get something to murder. Like if you're going to the ruins, in the caves, etc. You're basically using two mourning glory instead of wasting inventory slots, food to keep an animal alive, or time needed to get to somewhere where you can capture something else. I probably didn't explain this well tbh

[Anis5240]

Just now, DVGMedia said:

what is your point

the point is as in this post, even with perks of getting more MGs you lot still yapping bout how the conversion of butterfly revival is too much. Then what's even the point of a game if you don't wanna work for it? Getting free damage boost at the cost of some quests are not enough for you lot? And mind you, the fact people already said they want from 4 MGs to 2, and Klei took that to consideration right away already said enough as a middle ground. And you lot still want cheaper??? Wow. You lot are just extra greedy at this point I rather want Klei to just throw everything to release and ignore everything.

[Dingle]

1 minute ago, Debruh said:

I think it's fine how it is tbh. It's not you paying for the cost of a bugnet, but more of you paying to be able to get something to murder. Like if you're going to the ruins, in the caves, etc. You're basically using two mourning glory instead of wasting inventory slots, food to keep an animal alive, or time needed to get to somewhere where you can capture something else. I probably didn't explain this well tbh

I got the perk in my last playthrough, just to make fun of it haha.

But I ended up actually liking it! It's useful, but in niche situations.

Mostly, it's easier to do a pipspook quest than it is to catch 10 butterflies normally. Bees are better to catch of course, but not always available if you're in a rush or havent built bee boxes. Butterflies are everywhere on the surface, and you can carry a lot of mourning glory.

[DVGMedia]

23 minutes ago, Anis5240 said:

the point is as in this post, even with perks of getting more MGs you lot still yapping bout how the conversion of butterfly revival is too much. Then what's even the point of a game if you don't wanna work for it? Getting free damage boost at the cost of some quests are not enough for you lot? And mind you, the fact people already said they want from 4 MGs to 2, and Klei took that to consideration right away already said enough as a middle ground. And you lot still want cheaper??? Wow. You lot are just extra greedy at this point I rather want Klei to just throw everything to release and ignore everything.

well lets look at it based on how say an unoptimal player would do this.
Lets say If they don't take any pipspook stuff and instead go a different route. You will get 3 butterflys per pipspook. 
Is that really worth it?
lowring this to 1 would at least make it viable as a perk on its own since one quest could give 6-7 revives. 

[Anis5240]

6 minutes ago, DVGMedia said:

an unoptimal player

a player that plays SUBOPTIMALLY still wouldn't even bother with such details cuz they just wanna have fun. stop minmaxxing for once and let your mind be free

[DVGMedia]

1 minute ago, Anis5240 said:

a player that plays SUBOPTIMALLY still wouldn't even bother with such details cuz they just wanna have fun. stop minmaxxing for once and let your mind be free

I mean its going to happen. thats the power of choice the thing the skill trees are supposed to give.
 I can see value in the perks people seem to hate because they are not as efficent as some would say. 

for some reaoson people hate woodies quick pick  perks

or they hate bernie regen.  for other dumb reasons. But they are still good. 
it would be unfortunate just to make it so you get the butterfly and wreath perks cause you want them  but are saddled to the needing of other perks to make them even viable?

Thats like the elden spear for wigfrid.  its such a usless item on its own. and its only carried because of the other skills in the tree.

[mima_]

why not making potion that have recipe that  use more mourning glory per bottle. but u can revive a stack of butterfly wing to butterfly with one click.

so its more like efficiency use if u only want to revive a stack of butterfly wing or just couple u used  (whether u use on 3 butterfly wing or 20 it doesn't change that u need to use one bottle of potion)