"Wendy is strong" is more like a lie based on selective facts.

[Steorra]

4 minutes ago, Yifei_ said:

You can also refer to the part of the video after 6 min (there is no Chinese commentary/text after this point, only demonstrations, so there should be no language issues). You can notice that Wortox's strategic DPS is quite impressive, capable of quickly killing many enemies, which far exceeds Wendy, Wanda, and even Wolfgang. It takes only about 7 seconds to kill Deerclop.

They would say this DPS is weaker than Wendy. They think to capture bees is far more hard than to keep Abi alive technically.

[Y0sH]

17 minutes ago, Steorra said:

Not like someone keeping say that "no, soul jar is not OP" but keep saying "everything of Wendy is OP".

I have literally not ever said Wendy was OP not even once I challenge you to find me ever saying that. Wendy is Strong, was before and even MORE now with her Skilltree period, it's painfully apparent that you and others like you want a Floating Wolfgang to kill everything on the screen for you and it's exhausting to keep constantly see it posted worded in different ways.

[Yifei_]

Just now, Y0sH said:

I have literally not ever said Wendy was OP not even once I challenge you to find me ever saying that. Wendy is Strong, was before and even MORE now with her Skilltree period, it's painfully apparent that you and others like you want a Floating Wolfgang to kill everything on the screen for you and it's exhausting to keep constantly see it posted worded in different ways.

tbl, we never want a floating wolfgang. making wendy like wolfgang is something I hate and need to be changed

 

[Steorra]

8 minutes ago, Y0sH said:

I have literally not ever said Wendy was OP not even once I challenge you to find me ever saying that. Wendy is Strong, was before and even MORE now with her Skilltree period, it's painfully apparent that you and others like you want a Floating Wolfgang to kill everything on the screen for you and it's exhausting to keep constantly see it posted worded in different ways.

I want to see a floating "whoever" who could become simply never die like "whoever" wearing BoneArmor or using Lunar Swindler. So it seems like you think that it's fair to see everyone could simply pressing F for their topper DPS but Wendy can't .

So it's fair that dumplings and ThuleCrown+BoneArmor spamming is ok for every others but Wendy should not have a same effect. (Others won't lost their DPS by using this dumplings bonearmor combo but Wendy would)

[Yifei_]

4 minutes ago, Y0sH said:

I have literally not ever said Wendy was OP not even once I challenge you to find me ever saying that. Wendy is Strong, was before and even MORE now with her Skilltree period, it's painfully apparent that you and others like you want a Floating Wolfgang to kill everything on the screen for you and it's exhausting to keep constantly see it posted worded in different ways.

I hope the issue with Wendy's skill tree design is not turned into internal conflicts among the player community. I hope you can carefully consider my feedback. No one wants Wendy to become a character with extremely poor gameplay, like Wolfgang.

 

[xhyom]

35 minutes ago, Steorra said:

Woodie and Wortox has the most welcomed tree than Wendy. That's the "much better".

How the hell does being more accepted by the community make a tree better in technical terms? This just says more about Wendy's insatiable players than anything else. No matter what attention she gets, you'll still think there's some injustice. Now, comparing the tree with abstract concepts like "acceptance" since it's impossible for you to say that she has less things or received less attention than ANY other character.

[Steorra]

43 minutes ago, xhyom said:

How the hell does being more accepted by the community make a tree better in technical terms? This just says more about Wendy's insatiable players than anything else. No matter what attention she gets, you'll still think there's some injustice. Now, comparing the tree with abstract concepts like "acceptance" since it's impossible for you to say that she has less things or received less attention than ANY other character.

You could simply to blame that "it's not unfair, some race already get more attention, but they still shouting for fair? They are insatiable".

[Y0sH]

Want a character that'll trivialize Bosses? Pick a character that's better suited for it. If I want a character that'll trivialize killing hordes I'll pick Wendy. If I want a character that trivializes resource gathering I'll pick Maxwell. If I want a character that trivializes healing I'll pick Wortox.

Different characters excel at different aspects of the game and are strong in their specific niches but Wendy for some reason needs to one-shot all bosses, have insane healing for Abigail and night vision with potion use and kill hordes with ease. Take the name off of Wendy and apply her same abilities to whatever other survivor and you'd immediately think to yourself "Wow, this is an overall strong character." But since it IS Wendy, your beloved favorite character that represents so much about life, depression or whatever, you struggle to realize that Wendy is a strong character.

[Yifei_]

6 minutes ago, Y0sH said:

Wendy for some reason needs to one-shot all bosses, have insane healing for Abigail and night vision with potion use and kill hordes with ease.

I don't know where you got such impractical opinions about the game. I suggest you go to the beta server and experience killing bosses like the Celestial Champion and Armored Bearger with Wendy yourself. I also recommend that you experience clearing the Ruins entirely with Wendy. Don't just assume Wendy is strong based on other people's videos. Please go and experience the learning curve and the room for error yourself. Exaggerating the strength of a character is an irrational behavior.

[Y0sH]

2 minutes ago, Steorra said:

You are off topic. Give evidence to prove that we have said "Wendy need to one shot all bosses" or I would treat this message as an off topic argument or simple slander.

Ok, racist confirmed.

You should treat it as sarcasm because that's what it is and I'm sure you knew that. However if you wanna see Wendy players demanding more damage on top of already doing great damage look no further than this entire thread and the many in this Beta.

[Mike23Ua]

My point was that unless Klei suddenly decides to massively buff Wilson or Wes we shouldn’t expect them to do it for Wendy just because she’s the most popular character.

[Steorra]

5 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

My point was that unless Klei suddenly decides to massively buff Wilson or Wes we shouldn’t expect them to do it for Wendy just because she’s the most popular character.

My point was that unless Klei suddenly decides to massively buff Wilson or Wes we shouldn’t expect them to do it for Wendy just because she’s the most popular character.

This is logical enough for an argument.

But we all know that the problem is lies behind "Wendy is the most popular character".

[Y0sH]

2 minutes ago, Yifei_ said:

I don't know where you got such impractical opinions about the game. I suggest you go to the beta server and experience killing bosses like the Celestial Champion and Armored Bearger with Wendy yourself. I also recommend that you experience clearing the Ruins entirely with Wendy. Don't just assume Wendy is strong based on other people's videos. Please go and experience the learning curve and the room for error yourself. Exaggerating the strength of a character is an irrational behavior.

Your favorite character that has never been strong against bosses remains still not the strongest against bosses. GET OVER IT or pick a character that is stronger against bosses.... It's insanely simple. 

Your character's downside is that Wendy isn't strong against bosses as some other characters. A child could understand this.

[Yifei_]

2 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

My point was that unless Klei suddenly decides to massively buff Wilson or Wes we shouldn’t expect them to do it for Wendy just because she’s the most popular character.

My point was that unless Klei suddenly decides to massively buff Wilson or Wes we shouldn’t expect them to do it for Wendy just because she’s the most popular character.

Wendy's skill tree should be changed not because she is popular but because there are many design problems in her skilltree. If you are curious about what they are you can refer to my post.

 

[Steorra]

5 minutes ago, Y0sH said:

Your character's downside is that Wendy isn't strong against bosses as some other characters. A child could understand this.

Wendy's downside is that she isn't strong against bosses.

Wendy's downside is that she isn't strong against Shadows.

Wendy's downside is that she isn't strong on QoL aspects.

Ok, we have more reason to nerf everything about Wendy since they are all "isn't attended to be a strong aspect for Wendy."

Similarly, Wortox's downside is they were never intended to be strong on single boss fightings. Let us remove all DPS power creeping skills from Wortox tree!

10 minutes ago, Y0sH said:

Your favorite character that has never been strong against bosses remains still not the strongest against bosses. GET OVER IT or pick a character that is stronger against bosses.... It's insanely simple. 

Your character's downside is that Wendy isn't strong against bosses as some other characters. A child could understand this.

 

[Yifei_]

1 minute ago, Y0sH said:

Your favorite character that has never been strong against bosses remains still not the strongest against bosses. GET OVER IT or pick a character that is stronger against bosses.... It's insanely simple. 

Your character's downside is that Wendy isn't strong against bosses as some other characters. A child could understand this.

I am doing my best to remain polite, but your response feels overtly aggressive. Are you attacking me by saying I am not as smart as a “child”? Or are you calling me “insane”?

Let me tell you why I like playing as Wendy. I am very familiar with the bosses and the Ruins in DST, and Wendy has weaknesses that need to be overcome in these scenarios, which is where the fun of the game lies. Moreover, I have conducted detailed tests for clearing the Ruins and fighting bosses. The claims that Wendy can easily defeat all bosses and navigate the Ruins without any issues are simply rumors.

The boss tests are in this thread. I still need a high level of proficiency to ensure Abigail's positioning and survival.

The Ruins tests are in this thread. Wendy still needs to face the shadow creatures on her own.

I'm sorry, but I have to report your aggressive response. I hope we can maintain a friendly and constructive exchange.

[Y0sH]

I'm not reading all that tbh, but I'll leave this here:

Evidently "DOESN'T HIT VERY HARD" doesn't translate well to Wendy players. Doing less damage is literally apart of the character. If showing you facts is aggressive then please report me.

 

[Steorra]

5 minutes ago, Y0sH said:

I'm not reading all that tbh, but I'll leave this here:

Evidently "DOESN'T HIT VERY HARD" doesn't translate well to Wendy players. Doing less damage is literally apart of the character. If showing you facts is aggressive then please report me.

 

Then go start a post to ask Klei to completely removing the Vex mechanic of Wendy. I would go rise a flag for supporting you.

[Y0sH]

4 minutes ago, Steorra said:

Then go start a post to ask Klei to completely removing the Vex mechanic of Wendy. I would go rise a flag for supporting you.

Just accept that you don't like your character's downside and leave it alone.

[Koomin]

1 hour ago, Yifei_ said:

At the 4min 48s, the author provides a quick method to obtain bees (Ice Flingomatic + Bee Box), and I believe that the practical effect is worth the time spent on capturing bees.

You can also refer to the part of the video after 6 min (there is no Chinese commentary/text after this point, only demonstrations, so there should be no language issues). You can notice that Wortox's strategic DPS is quite impressive, capable of quickly killing many enemies, which far exceeds Wendy, Wanda, and even Wolfgang. It takes only about 7 seconds to kill Deerclop.

I don't know what players in other regions think, but in the Chinese community, Wortox is already quite popular without the skill tree. This time, the skill tree update is not only well-suited to the character's image but also has an excellent design in terms of practicality (with many videos showcasing the advantages in practicality).

They are actually dying pretty fast.  It's hard for me to tell what's going on much since the website is horrible and the author edited everything relevant out of the videos, but I'll definitely try it out when I get the chance and let you know what my thoughts are.  Thanks for the link.

[Steorra]

12 minutes ago, Y0sH said:

Just accept that you don't like your character's downside and leave it alone.

When you can't argue with me by logic, yoy just start to rise a randomly accusation to me. Nice strategy.

[Dingle]

3 hours ago, Yifei_ said:

新版恶魔人一秒千伤？！恶魔人的上限还在提升！『饥荒联机版』_饥荒

2min56s

Pretty interesting! Is there something about this that gets through the explosion resistance? I couldn't understand that part of the video where he brings up the explosion resistance.

I don't think I'd use it on most of the examples he uses it on (likely better to just, you know, do the fight normally instead of gathering bees for every single fight), but I could see it being a useful strategy on Crab King at minimum.

[Steorra]

5 minutes ago, Dingle said:

likely better to just, you know, do the fight normally instead of gathering bees for every single fight

The bees for Wortox has bcome a similar thing like the ashes for Willow spell. But with an extremely higher DPS result. 

But you are right. It's of course that not everyone like to cast fire spell of Wiilow. That's why there are some people who prefer to play BERNIE! build.

[Edible Coal]

i have read this thread like 3 time and still dont understand what wendy player want

[Steorra]

24 minutes ago, Y0sH said:

You ignore logic and facts, you're more interested in arguing for the sport of it and it's no use in even attempting to engage with you at this point. You'll be added to the ignore list. 

I don't know who continuously ignoring the fact of "the fact is not same for different people, and the selective facsts are simply lies."