A feeling of emotion towards the current situation

[DaDa_waw]

Everyone is arguing over Wendy's core content, which is the 50% non full boss damage reduction in Abigail. Wendy's most important recovery ability needs to be weakened by half. For Woodie next door, an AOE with 90% full attribute damage reduction, 15 point surface defense, 136+80 point surface damage correction for the third attack, a group AOE skill without cooldown, and the ability to attack Shadow creatures are only 1/5 of his functions, requiring only 3 monster meat and 2 grass, which makes people feel dizzy.

[Dingle]

3 minutes ago, DaDa_waw said:

Everyone is arguing over Wendy's core content, which is the 50% non full boss damage reduction in Abigail. Wendy's most important recovery ability needs to be weakened by half. For Woodie next door, an AOE with 90% full attribute damage reduction, 15 point surface defense, 136+80 point surface damage correction for the third attack, a group AOE skill without cooldown, and the ability to attack Shadow creatures are only 1/5 of his functions, requiring only 3 monster meat and 2 grass, which makes people feel dizzy.

Woodie can't even heal in moose form. That's like getting weakened by twice times half.

I think whats even more messed up:

Wendy doesn't even get an infinite axe or a beard. Woodie gets an infinite axe AND a beard. It really doesn't seem fair to Wendy that she doesn't get an axe or a beard.

[DaDa_waw]

2 minutes ago, Dingle said:

Woodie can't even heal in moose form. That's like getting weakened by twice times half.

I think whats even more messed up:

Wendy doesn't even get an infinite axe or a beard. Woodie gets an infinite axe AND a beard. It really doesn't seem fair to Wendy that she doesn't get an axe or a beard.

The great Vortex and Vegeford will bestow great healing upon the moose, but what about Abigail? Most people just hope she can be weaker, like Wes's balloon, right

[Dingle]

3 minutes ago, DaDa_waw said:

The great Vortex and Vegeford will bestow great healing upon the moose, but what about Abigail? Most people just hope she can be weaker, like Wes's balloon, right

Letting wortox heal and wigford health song work on Abigail sounds good.

[salty_cookie]

I don’t think Wortox heal should be limited to Abigail only. Maybe allow soul bastion 2 to heal player allies too.

[Mysterious box]

1 hour ago, DaDa_waw said:

Everyone is arguing over Wendy's core content, which is the 50% non full boss damage reduction in Abigail. Wendy's most important recovery ability needs to be weakened by half. For Woodie next door, an AOE with 90% full attribute damage reduction, 15 point surface defense, 136+80 point surface damage correction for the third attack, a group AOE skill without cooldown, and the ability to attack Shadow creatures are only 1/5 of his functions, requiring only 3 monster meat and 2 grass, which makes people feel dizzy.

Yes Woodie has so much it only requires him to be... locked out of his other were mastery options, unable to use items, and be forced into a unskippable animation to turn back in which he has absolutely zero armor which is tied to a timer he has absolutely no control over truly a balanced comparsion. But half healing on Abigial whom you can heal, have a escape, and respawn option while also being able to immediately undo Abigial's death is truly comparable.

[DaDa_waw]

9 hours ago, Mysterious box said:

Yes Woodie has so much it only requires him to be... locked out of his other were mastery options, unable to use items, and be forced into a unskippable animation to turn back in which he has absolutely zero armor which is tied to a timer he has absolutely no control over truly a balanced comparsion. But half healing on Abigial whom you can heal, have a escape, and respawn option while also being able to immediately undo Abigial's death is truly comparable.

I hope you know that withdrawing Abigail and summoning Abigail both have animations that cannot be skipped, and if this animation is interrupted, the action needs to be repeated. Hopefully Woody won't need to transform again because of this, after all, 90% damage reduction doesn't matter if he suffers these few times.
And the great moose will use its CD free impact and night vision to find a solution, while Wendy has more to consider
Do you remember what I said at the beginning, three monsters and two grasses, to give you these things? What you actually care about is the lack of a field? Hahaha, do you want to prove that Abigail has an advantage with the ability to swim by the shadow lamp of underground riots?Not to mention that all transformations come with 240 thermal insulation, 240 cold insulation, and 70 waterproof. I can't believe anyone cares so much about using grids to compare with them temporarily Even this is only 1/5 of Woodie's, not all of it

[Mysterious box]

11 hours ago, DaDa_waw said:

Hopefully Woody won't need to transform again because of this, after all, 90% damage reduction doesn't matter if he suffers these few times.

Actually he has 0% damage reduction during the transformation and detransformation animation so no he doesn't get the slap on the wrist that is being interrupted he's just dead at that point because taking damage does not cancel his animation and he doesn't have a super cheap potion that nullifies that either. But I mean if you actually played Woodie you'd probably know that. 

11 hours ago, DaDa_waw said:

I hope you know that withdrawing Abigail and summoning Abigail both have animations that cannot be skipped, and if this animation is interrupted, the action needs to be repeated. Hopefully Woody won't need to transform again because of this, after all, 90% damage reduction doesn't matter if he suffers these few times.
And the great moose will use its CD free impact and night vision to find a solution, while Wendy has more to consider
Do you remember what I said at the beginning, three monsters and two grasses, to give you these things? What you actually care about is the lack of a field? Hahaha, do you want to prove that Abigail has an advantage with the ability to swim by the shadow lamp of underground riots?Not to mention that all transformations come with 240 thermal insulation, 240 cold insulation, and 70 waterproof. I can't believe anyone cares so much about using grids to compare with them temporarily Even this is only 1/5 of Woodie's, not all of it

The cheap cost is because it's temporary the weather protection is because he can't use items to manage his state during extreme weather. His high damage reduction is because he can't use healing foods or items each of his benefits are to deal with a downside placed on him during his transformations but hey since we're talking about resource balance where are the downsides for all those potions?

[gaymime]

11 hours ago, DaDa_waw said:

I hope you know that withdrawing Abigail and summoning Abigail both have animations that cannot be skipped, and if this animation is interrupted, the action needs to be repeated. Hopefully Woody won't need to transform again because of this, after all, 90% damage reduction doesn't matter if he suffers these few times.
And the great moose will use its CD free impact and night vision to find a solution, while Wendy has more to consider
Do you remember what I said at the beginning, three monsters and two grasses, to give you these things? What you actually care about is the lack of a field? Hahaha, do you want to prove that Abigail has an advantage with the ability to swim by the shadow lamp of underground riots?Not to mention that all transformations come with 240 thermal insulation, 240 cold insulation, and 70 waterproof. I can't believe anyone cares so much about using grids to compare with them temporarily Even this is only 1/5 of Woodie's, not all of it

i did not know abigail died if she got too cold/hot and that she suffered from being wet. i also did not know wendy can no longer wear hats while abigail is in use. this is interesting information you are sharing

[Steorra]

22 hours ago, Dingle said:

Woodie can't even heal in moose form

Not true tbh. Jelly beans works well for him. And Bee Queen is not a big deal once you know how to kill it by using the twins in first winter. No need to say we already have a method of to using weremoose to kill the BQ.

1 hour ago, gaymime said:

i did not know abigail died if she got too cold/hot and that she suffered from being wet. i also did not know wendy can no longer wear hats while abigail is in use. this is interesting information you are sharing

You really need no to judge others by your own level. We already know you're a casual who admitted that you're "lacking of experiences of rift content". It's more funny to see a casual looking down others than a veteran did same thing.

[DaDa_waw]

2 hours ago, Mysterious box said:

Actually he has 0% damage reduction during the transformation and detransformation animation so no he doesn't get the slap on the wrist that is being interrupted he's just dead at that point because taking damage does not cancel his animation and he doesn't have a super cheap potion that nullifies that either. But I mean if you actually played Woodie you'd probably know that. 

If you have really played Woodie, you wouldn't try to prove that Wendy has even a 10% advantage over Woody

2 hours ago, Mysterious box said:

The cheap cost is because it's temporary the weather protection is because he can't use items to manage his state during extreme weather. His high damage reduction is because he can't use healing foods or items each of his benefits are to deal with a downside placed on him during his transformations but hey since we're talking about resource balance where are the downsides for all those potions?

Exchanging 3 monster meats and 2 grasses for the ability to almost crush 90% of extreme environments for 7.2 minutes seems so weak to you, even though it's only 1/5 of Woodie's total ability, and Abigail only bullies spiders, it makes you feel incredibly powerful, it's really making your whole body tremble. Wendy's strength scares me!

[Mysterious box]

5 minutes ago, DaDa_waw said:

If you have really played Woodie, you wouldn't try to prove that Wendy has even a 10% advantage over Woody

Exchanging 3 monster meats and 2 grasses for the ability to almost crush 90% of extreme environments for 7.2 minutes seems so weak to you, even though it's only 1/5 of Woodie's total ability, and Abigail only bullies spiders, it makes you feel incredibly powerful, it's really making your whole body tremble. Wendy's strength scares me!

Okay so in other words your just going to lie because you want Wendy to be the strongest character in the game with absolutely no downsides correct? Got it.

[DaDa_waw]

2 hours ago, Mysterious box said:

The cheap cost is because it's temporary the weather protection is because he can't use items to manage his state during extreme weather. His high damage reduction is because he can't use healing foods or items each of his benefits are to deal with a downside placed on him during his transformations but hey since we're talking about resource balance where are the downsides for all those potions?

Yeah, I never thought that all the potions combined would not be as effective as Woodie's 1/5 ability, and where exactly did the potions go? Excuse me, has anyone noticed? Moreover, they can only be used one at a time, and on this basis, they have to be weakened by half, making people laugh uncontrollably

1 minute ago, Mysterious box said:

Okay so in other words your just going to lie because you want Wendy to be the strongest character in the game with absolutely no downsides correct? Got it.

Directly using slander is the best proof of a person's timidity, as they may not even dare to respond to your viewpoint

4 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Okay so in other words your just going to lie because you want Wendy to be the strongest character in the game with absolutely no downsides correct? Got it.

I have written at least tens of thousands of words of advice. At that time, you hid in a corner like a blind person and pretended not to see anything. Now that I am learning from your spirit to speak freely, you start shouting, 'You just want Wendy to be unbeatable!'. How ridiculous.

[Mysterious box]

1 minute ago, DaDa_waw said:

Yeah, I never thought that all the potions combined would not be as effective as Woodie's 1/5 ability, and where exactly did the potions go? Excuse me, has anyone noticed? Moreover, they can only be used one at a time, and on this basis, they have to be weakened by half, making people laugh uncontrollably

Directly using slander is the best proof of a person's timidity, as they may not even dare to respond to your viewpoint

 It's not slander when you say this

9 minutes ago, DaDa_waw said:

Abigail only bullies spiders, it makes you feel incredibly powerful, it's really making your whole body tremble. Wendy's strength scares me!

And 

 

10 minutes ago, DaDa_waw said:

If you have really played Woodie, you wouldn't try to prove that Wendy has even a 10% advantage over Woody

While expecting to be taken seriously. All credibility is out the window.

[DaDa_waw]

1 minute ago, Mysterious box said:

While expecting to be taken seriously. All credibility is out the window.

That only proves that your level is too poor, to the point where your credibility has disappeared. It makes me feel a bit sorry for you. Go learn more, my friend

[Mysterious box]

4 minutes ago, DaDa_waw said:

That only proves that your level is too poor, to the point where your credibility has disappeared. It makes me feel a bit sorry for you. Go learn more, my friend

The only answers are that you lied or you don't know how to play Wendy so which is it?

[DaDa_waw]

6 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

The only answers are that you lied or you don't know how to play Wendy so which is it?

The answer is just that you are slandering, and only those without confidence would adopt such despicable practices. Your behavior has already begun to sound like a pitiful groan

[Mysterious box]

57 minutes ago, DaDa_waw said:

The answer is just that you are slandering, and only those without confidence would adopt such despicable practices. Your behavior has already begun to sound like a pitiful groan

So everything above spiders is too strong for abigial? Is it true because you say it is so and slander because I know it's false? I could say the sun is purple but it won't suddenly become so because of my belief in it nor would that make it slander because you said it wasn't.

[DaDa_waw]

5 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

So everything above spiders is too strong for abigial? Is it true because you say it is so and slander because I know it's false? I could say the sun is purple but it won't suddenly become so because of my belief in it nor would that make it slander because you said it wasn't.

It's already boring enough for me to communicate using this low-quality machine translation, and it's even more boring to explain more content.
From the moment you denied Woodie's abilities, there was nothing left to talk about. Simply calculate how much material you needed to exchange for the transformed attributes. Any comparison between these and 3 monster meats, 2 pieces of wood/seeds/grass would reveal the ridiculous weakness of "not being able to use tools", especially since he has tree spirits and carpenters.

[Mysterious box]

35 minutes ago, DaDa_waw said:

It's already boring enough for me to communicate using this low-quality machine translation, and it's even more boring to explain more content.
From the moment you denied Woodie's abilities, there was nothing left to talk about. Simply calculate how much material you needed to exchange for the transformed attributes. Any comparison between these and 3 monster meats, 2 pieces of wood/seeds/grass would reveal the ridiculous weakness of "not being able to use tools", especially since he has tree spirits and carpenters.

Because you made a bad faith comparsion you sold his strengths ignoring the attached downsides clearly intentionally due to abigial not possessing those downsides you try to push costs while ignoring the limitations in duration and range of activity using your logic someone could try to sell Wolfgang as the weakest character but much like with the Abigial comparsion anyone who has played them for more than a few minutes knows how false that is.

[Steorra]

9 hours ago, Mysterious box said:

Because you made a bad faith comparsion you sold his strengths

So now, if the comparison was good for someone's veiw, it would be honest. But if not, it's dishonest.

That's why the argument become endless and meaningless.

[DaDa_waw]

13 hours ago, Mysterious box said:

Because you made a bad faith comparsion you sold his strengths ignoring the attached downsides clearly intentionally due to abigial not possessing those downsides you try to push costs while ignoring the limitations in duration and range of activity using your logic someone could try to sell Wolfgang as the weakest character but much like with the Abigial comparsion anyone who has played them for more than a few minutes knows how false that is.

Your slander can only prove one thing, which is that your belief that it doesn't fit your ideas is wrong.

The more explanations you give, the more I feel that your level is insufficient. Yeah, yeah, ignoring 'scope and time', a statue can provide 7.2 minutes and easily earn materials for making ten or more statues and 129 health points. I don't want to waste time on this easy way to expose your ignorance. When I use moose to ignore Ruins, you may still be using grass armor and axes.

[Mysterious box]

5 hours ago, DaDa_waw said:

Your slander can only prove one thing, which is that your belief that it doesn't fit your ideas is wrong.

The more explanations you give, the more I feel that your level is insufficient. Yeah, yeah, ignoring 'scope and time', a statue can provide 7.2 minutes and easily earn materials for making ten or more statues and 129 health points. I don't want to waste time on this easy way to expose your ignorance. When I use moose to ignore Ruins, you may still be using grass armor and axes.

Fine then lets apply all the penalties of the transformations to Wendy and Abigail since it's so minor you shouldn't have a problem no?

• Abigial shall now have a duration limit that requires investing resources into resummoning her.
• When summoning and when the duration runs out Wendy will drop all her equipped items except backpacks and be locked into an animation where she takes full damage
• Wendy's hunger stat will drop to afew points above starvation when her summon ends
• Wendy will take sanity and hp damage when she summons Abigail
• Wendy shall have a constant sanity drain while Abigail is out
• Wendy will not be able to use items or foods while Abigail is out
• Wendy will not be able to interact with things while Abigail is out

I mean it's all so minor so this should be a fine change in your eyes no?

10 hours ago, Steorra said:

So now, if the comparison was good for someone's veiw, it would be honest. But if not, it's dishonest.

That's why the argument become endless and meaningless.

That's not how it works making a dishonest claim then misrepresenting the situation between characters in order to make one appear to be much weaker than they are while making it seem like there are no issues with the other makes the person who makes such a claim lose credibility.

[Steorra]

13 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

in order to make one appear to be much weaker than they are

No. I hope you could accept different opinions and possibilities of misunderstanding.

The situation is more like that someone keep claiming that "Wendy is strong" for preventing most potential improvement of Wendy's tree. Then I come with arguments for proving that both "Wendy is strong" and "everyone is strong with skill trees" are facts. Which means the balance topic which always talked as "strong or not strong" shouldn't does such matters to current beta. The function and fun is far more important before a balance issue has truly went in live.

 

4 minutes ago, Steorra said:

Then I come with arguments for proving that both "Wendy is strong" and "everyone is strong with skill trees" are facts.

And I don't think is purpose should be blamed as "in order to make one appear to be much weaker than they are"

The accusation you gave here would only caused further more meaningless arguments and hated and misunderstanding. 

I would leave the argument here whatever you could understand me or not. It's a bit enough for me.

[DaDa_waw]

21 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Fine then lets apply all the penalties of the transformations to Wendy and Abigail since it's so minor you shouldn't have a problem no?

• Abigial shall now have a duration limit that requires investing resources into resummoning her.
• When summoning and when the duration runs out Wendy will drop all her equipped items except backpacks and be locked into an animation where she takes full damage
• Wendy's hunger stat will drop to afew points above starvation when her summon ends
• Wendy will take sanity and hp damage when she summons Abigail
• Wendy shall have a constant sanity drain while Abigail is out
• Wendy will not be able to use items or foods while Abigail is out
• Wendy will not be able to interact with things while Abigail is out

I mean it's all so minor so this should be a fine change in your eyes no?

That's not how it works making a dishonest claim then misrepresenting the situation between characters in order to make one appear to be much weaker than they are while making it seem like there are no issues with the other makes the person who makes such a claim lose credibility.

If Abigail allows Wendy to have 90% defense, 15 face defense, 59.5 attack, 136 group attacks, 80 face correction, 129 health recovery points, and 240 warmth and cold protection at the same time. 70 waterproof, CD free can attack Shadow Creatures AOE, night vision,
Far exceeding the speed and work efficiency of ordinary people.
I would agree, hahaha.