wendy Did anyone actually try the Bigspooks? They're amazing!

[Dingle]

I've started playing Wendy, and am about to do a big playthrough thread like I did with Wortox. I'm doing my first run, and allowing myself rollbacks for this first one because I haven't played Wendy in at least a year.

My strategy was:

1. Rush Lune Flowers

2. Make base near Bee Queen

3. Move the Mosaic Graves near her

4. Summon bigspooks, and use the marble armor + nightshade + cure all method for killing her.

Result:

With 15 flowers, I got 5 bigspooks. Them and Abigail killed her so hard that I never had to heal Abby. I used one nightshade nostrum, total.

My hambat started the fight at around 50% spoilage. I was in a hurry because I thought the full moon ghosts could also fight bosses (they vanish instead).

This took me 3 tries, mostly because I forgot how to handle bee queen constantly running away. I used 7 butter muffins for healing. I think now that I know the mechanics, I could do this every time without rollbacks.

It makes me wonder, did anyone else even try the bigspook perk at all? I know it got complained about so much that the devs combined the perk line into 2 points, with the first point giving you bigspooks.

Seems great for an early bee queen kill, and I'm sure there's other good uses too. I wanted the bundling wrap right away to wrap up my lune blossoms for when I'm not fighting a boss.

I will try post a bunch of pictures tomorrow or Wednesday.

[Nikki Darks]

I love the Bigspooks, but haven't really tried them for bosses. Mostly for general mob farms.

Using them near frog ponds, spider dens, werepigs, etc, etc...

[thesooz9000]

Honestly love the graves and grave relocation, maybe cause i'm just a sucker for big and ludicrous werepig farms, but this makes it so I don't have to regen a world or use a mod for developer grave setpiece, and can make my own werepig farm with ghosts

[Mike23Ua]

34 minutes ago, Dingle said:

I've started playing Wendy, and am about to do a big playthrough thread like I did with Wortox. I'm doing my first run, and allowing myself rollbacks for this first one because I haven't played Wendy in at least a year.

My strategy was:

1. Rush Lune Flowers

2. Make base near Bee Queen

3. Move the Mosaic Graves near her

4. Summon bigspooks, and use the marble armor + nightshade + cure all method for killing her.

Result:

With 15 flowers, I got 5 bigspooks. Them and Abigail killed her so hard that I never had to heal Abby. I used one nightshade nostrum, total.

My hambat started the fight at around 50% spoilage. I was in a hurry because I thought the full moon ghosts could also fight bosses (they vanish instead).

This took me 3 tries, mostly because I forgot how to handle bee queen constantly running away. I used 7 butter muffins for healing. I think now that I know the mechanics, I could do this every time without rollbacks.

It makes me wonder, did anyone else even try the bigspook perk at all? I know it got complained about so much that the devs combined the perk line into 2 points, with the first point giving you bigspooks.

Seems great for an early bee queen kill, and I'm sure there's other good uses too. I wanted the bundling wrap right away to wrap up my lune blossoms for when I'm not fighting a boss.

I will try post a bunch of pictures tomorrow or Wednesday.

I just call them king boo (cause I’m a Mario fan obviously) and I recall a recent beta hotfix patch notes specifically mentioning tuning these things to be more useful for bosses.

ahem however… then we went and did the whole Blessed Sisturn 3 thing giving Abby a “Player” tag and all that..

Without going into a TLDR why are Klei designing fun new things and then canceling those things out with not so fun things?

[Dingle]

10 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

I just call them king boo (cause I’m a Mario fan obviously) and I recall a recent beta hotfix patch notes specifically mentioning tuning these things to be more useful for bosses.

ahem however… then we went and did the whole Blessed Sisturn 3 thing giving Abby a “Player” tag and all that..

Without going into a TLDR why are Klei designing fun new things and then canceling those things out with not so fun things?

I was combining both. You can get lune blossoms to give you the player tag right after you know where either Moon Island or Crabby Hermit Island is.

So I kept an eye out for a message in a bottle. Turns out the Hermit was past the shore near my base.

Abby didn't even get hit much at all so it was overkill, but thought I would mention.

[hyoton123]

I don't think I've seen people talk about them at all but that's exactly the kind of thing i'm looking for from wendy's tree. Search gives basically nothing. What kind of stats are they toting?

[Dingle]

34 minutes ago, hyoton123 said:

I don't think I've seen people talk about them at all but that's exactly the kind of thing i'm looking for from wendy's tree. Search gives basically nothing. What kind of stats are they toting?

I'll take a better look next time I play and get back to you. I want to say 200 health off top of head. Bee Queen really tries to target players hard, so they don't seem to die much. And if they do, it seems like there's a long timer on the graves that will respawn the ones that die.

Not sure on damage either, but seems to add up. All the hits also seem to interrupt BQs running away sometimes.

[yyyyyyyyyyyyyyy]

蜂后（无卡船）_哔哩哔哩_bilibili 

In this video, it costs 2.5 marble armor, 1.5 beekeeper hat, 1 Spectral Cure-All, 2 Nightshade Nostrum, 3~4 Pierogi for Wendy without skilltree to kill a Bee Queen in half a day. So So I'm curious about more details about your test, such as the cost of armor and time, the performance of Bigspooks, and so on. I haven't really seen many discussions about bigspooks before.

Sorry, I mistakenly post the translation while checking my reply in English using web translation. And Thanks for your further reply.

[Dingle]

19 minutes ago, yyyyyyyyyyyyyyy said:

蜂后（无卡船）_哔哩哔哩_bilibili 

在这个视频中，温蒂需要 2.5 个大理石盔甲、1.5 个养蜂帽、2 个夜影鼻子、1 个全能灵能、3~4 个 Pierogi，没有技能树来杀死一个蜂女王，它要花半天时间。所以我很好奇关于你的测试的更多细节，比如装甲和时间的成本，Bigspooks 的性能等等。我以前真的没见过很多关于 bigspooks 的讨论。

Cant read.

I used a lot less resources than in the video, including less marble armor. I need to try again with a fresh hambat too, mine was stale.

[Mike23Ua]

I guess the people who were meant to be in charge of updating the games Wiki information have either all quit the game, or people just aren’t actually playing the Beta for Wendy to give us the detailed stats for things like BigSpook.

I swear I recall reading patch notes where they buffed them to be more viable for boss fights, but that info seems to be buried in all the Blessed Sisturn 3 is OP Plz Nerf, or Wendy is too weak please Buff posts.

I would like to know details such as: How much health they have, does it regenerate?, How many can you recruit at once? How long is the cooldown timer before they can Respawn? Do they get buffs like Abby based on what you place in Sisturn?

[Bumber64]

1 hour ago, Mike23Ua said:

I guess the people who were meant to be in charge of updating the games Wiki information have either all quit the game, or people just aren’t actually playing the Beta for Wendy to give us the detailed stats for things like BigSpook.

Has the wiki ever kept up with beta content? Never saw much on rifts or Moon Quay until the updates left beta. There's some basic stuff (characters featured, item names) on the Skill Spotlight Update page, but not even a list of the skill names. I assume stuff changes so much that nobody bothers.

[Dingle]

5 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

I guess the people who were meant to be in charge of updating the games Wiki information have either all quit the game, or people just aren’t actually playing the Beta for Wendy to give us the detailed stats for things like BigSpook.

I swear I recall reading patch notes where they buffed them to be more viable for boss fights, but that info seems to be buried in all the Blessed Sisturn 3 is OP Plz Nerf, or Wendy is too weak please Buff posts.

I would like to know details such as: How much health they have, does it regenerate?, How many can you recruit at once? How long is the cooldown timer before they can Respawn? Do they get buffs like Abby based on what you place in Sisturn?

The patch notes were about fixing them so they could hit bosses at all. Their hurtboxes were too small before.

Didn't notice regeneration, as they resurrect anyway.

You can recruit as many as you have graves and flowers. I think I had 7 graves, but only 15 flowers. It takes 3 flowers to decorate a grave, so I had 5 of them plus Abby.

They dont seem to get Lune blossom buffs. Not sure on cooldown timer, but it seems very fast.

[Arthurian Titan]

9 hours ago, hyoton123 said:

I don't think I've seen people talk about them at all but that's exactly the kind of thing i'm looking for from wendy's tree. Search gives basically nothing. What kind of stats are they toting?

The Bigspook has the same HP as regular ghosts (200), and the same damage (15 per 1.2 seconds), but has an increased range of 2.5 instead of 1.5, and keeps the target instead of de-aggroing. You only can have 4 of them, however.

[Dingle]

1 minute ago, Arthurian Titan said:

The Bigspook has the same HP as regular ghosts (200), and the same damage (15 per 1.2 seconds), but has an increased range of 2.5 instead of 1.5, and keeps the target instead of de-aggroing. You only can have 4 of them, however.

I thought I had 5 out, I'll have to check my screenshots.

[cyjs]

You can fight faster without a big ghost, my friend.

[Dingle]

1 minute ago, cyjs said:

You can fight faster without a big ghost, my friend.

?

[hyoton123]

41 minutes ago, Dingle said:

?

How dare you do things safer and apparently cheaper!

[Dingle]

2 hours ago, hyoton123 said:

How dare you do things safer and apparently cheaper!

4 of them cost 12 picked flowers per boss, and increase your AOE/extra damage per second from 40 (at best) to near 100.

I dunno. Seems pretty good for all these "casual Wendies" they keep basing their arguments on.

[hyoton123]

Just now, Dingle said:

 

 

I dunno. Seems pretty good for all these "casual Wendies" they keep basing their arguments on.

Yeah, thats perfect. Honestly I vibe with most of the skilltree, the only hard part seems to be abigail (which is the hard part).

[Nikki Darks]

17 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

I just call them king boo (cause I’m a Mario fan obviously) and I recall a recent beta hotfix patch notes specifically mentioning tuning these things to be more useful for bosses.

ahem however… then we went and did the whole Blessed Sisturn 3 thing giving Abby a “Player” tag and all that..

Without going into a TLDR why are Klei designing fun new things and then canceling those things out with not so fun things?

I will be referring to them as boos from now on.


On another note, I've noticed that they only attack players when Wendy isn't on the server. Also, is there a limit to how many you can have out at the same time?

I notice that they don't ALL come out.

[Dingle]

11 minutes ago, Nikki Darks said:

I will be referring to them as boos from now on.


On another note, I've noticed that they only attack players when Wendy isn't on the server. Also, is there a limit to how many you can have out at the same time?

I notice that they don't ALL come out.

Titan, above, said 4 is the limit. I can check in a few hours.

I kind of like the limit, as it means you only need 12 flowers for full power.

In a longer term world I'd simply make some homeless bees real quick to have endless flower regeneration without having to catch and plant butterflies.

[Nikki Darks]

Just now, Dingle said:

Titan, above, said 4 is the limit. I can check in a few hours.

I kind of like the limit, as it means you only need 12 flowers for full power.

In a longer term world I'd simply make some homeless bees real quick to have endless flower regeneration without having to catch and plant butterflies.

Ah mb, I kinda skim through forums please add dark mode Klei... so I didn't notice. But 4 is still pretty good for even late game hound waves.

[Mike23Ua]

52 minutes ago, Nikki Darks said:

I will be referring to them as boos from now on.


On another note, I've noticed that they only attack players when Wendy isn't on the server. Also, is there a limit to how many you can have out at the same time?

I notice that they don't ALL come out.

Wait, so the King Boo is a new hostile mob for non-Wendy’s? That’s actually pretty awesome if so, it would be the first new mob added during a character skill tree/Rework that affected players outside of the reworked character since Webbers.

Not even Wurts Shadow & Lunar Merms got that honor (though they probably should had..)

[Dingle]

1 minute ago, Mike23Ua said:

Wait, so the King Boo is a new hostile mob for non-Wendy’s? That’s actually pretty awesome if so, it would be the first new mob added during a character skill tree/Rework that affected players outside of the reworked character since Webbers.

Not even Wurts Shadow & Lunar Merms got that honor (though they probably should had..)

No, only Wendy can spawn them. They come specifically from decorating graves.

They're pretty identical to the old full moon ghosts. They just have some special rules, like the bigger aoe and not just vanishing when a boss gets nearby.

They also dont need full moons to appear, or night, or anything like that. 3 flowers on a grave and they're up.

[Mike23Ua]

12 minutes ago, Dingle said:

No, only Wendy can spawn them. They come specifically from decorating graves.

They're pretty identical to the old full moon ghosts. They just have some special rules, like the bigger aoe and not just vanishing when a boss gets nearby.

They also dont need full moons to appear, or night, or anything like that. 3 flowers on a grave and they're up.

Okay but, what if you decorate the graves as Wendy and then leave the server or switch to another character?

I’m assuming it’s similar to Webbers Decorated dens, the spiders don’t attack other players as long as a Webber is around to keep them peaceful.