Who want Blessed Sisturn III Nerf continue to insult those who don't, how can we trust that you're not just wanting Schadenfreude towards Wendy Player?

[SilverSpoon]

As long as those who want Blessed Sisturn III Nerf continue to insult those who don't, how can we trust that you're not just spouting plausible hoax about balance and actually just wanting Schadenfreude towards Wendy Player?

 

However, the same can be said to the opposite side.

[Steorra]

It's more like an attitude as “your game experience and enjoyments are none of my business, mine is far important than yours”. After several argument they found they can't persuade each other, then the argument turn into a mass which they throwing potatoes and tomatoes to each other.

 

Just want to say something to those people:

Please, for resources sake, if you have overflow energy and endless vegetable for just throwing, could you guys try something more creative and meaningful... 

[Lardee]

I'm probably one of the Wendiest of Wendy players here and I want Blessed Sisturn III to go away not because of balance, but because it removes Wendy's downside which turns her boss gameplay into Wilson/Wolfgang.

Klei should be giving us more or improving on controls like Team Spirit that let players work around her downsides instead of removing them.

It would also be great if they changed the shield potions to actually be useful.

[Steorra]

10 minutes ago, Lardee said:

I'm probably one of the Wendiest of Wendy players here and I want Blessed Sisturn III to go away not because of balance, but because it removes Wendy's downside which turns her boss gameplay into Wilson/Wolfgang.

Klei should be giving us more or improving on controls like Team Spirit that let players work around her downsides instead of removing them.

It would also be great if they changed the shield potions to actually be useful.

Casual players' enjoyments does matter. To make player tag more easier to achieve for only regular abi without Shadow sisterhood II, to make shadow abi become more fragile with enhanced shadow sisterhood II would satisfy both casual and hardcore players.

 

Here's details 

[WenericMember]

1 hour ago, SilverSpoon said:

As long as those who want Blessed Sisturn III Nerf continue to insult those who don't, how can we trust that you're not just spouting plausible hoax about balance and actually just wanting Schadenfreude towards Wendy Player?

So this is the second thread accusing people who dont like the skill of acting in bad faith...

You can very easily verify lardee plays wendy... I posted a lot of threads on this forum focusing on Wendy prior to the skill tree, and Im sure everyone else actually knows what theyre talking about.

These threads are just an attempt to smear objects.

[thesooz9000]

Yea, All other potions have uses, but shield potions are straight up useless, I was hoping they would be fixed in this skill tree..

[Lardee]

2 minutes ago, Steorra said:

Casual players' enjoyments does matter. To make player tag more easier to achieve for only regular abi, to make shadow abi become more fragile would satisfy both casual and hardcore players.

Casual players have enjoyed playing Wendy since DST released 10 years ago. Not having the player tag does not in anyway prevent casual players from enjoying Wendy gameplay.

Also, what actually is a casual DST player?

[SilverSpoon]

15 minutes ago, Steorra said:

It's more like an attitude as “your game experience and enjoyments are none of my business, mine is far important than yours”. After several argument they found they can't persuade each other, then the argument turn into a mass which they throwing potatoes and tomatoes to each other.

Yeah. It feels like we're not discussing anymore, we're giving knuckle sandwich each other.

I feel really bad that Klei have to deal with this situation now before about to holiday, and that Klei will have to deal with the Wingding that's piled up after the holiday are over.

[thesooz9000]

1 hour ago, SilverSpoon said:

As long as those who want Blessed Sisturn III Nerf continue to insult those who don't, how can we trust that you're not just spouting plausible hoax about balance and actually just wanting Schadenfreude towards Wendy Player?

Also, the idea that we're trying to suggest suggestions to bring "Schadenfreude" (the experience of pleasure, joy, or self-satisfaction that comes from learning of or witnessing the troubles, failures, pain, suffering, or humiliation of another) to other players is weird, I just don't want wendy to lose her downside.

[Yifei_]

1 minute ago, thesooz9000 said:

Yea, All other potions have uses, but shield potions are straight up useless, I was hoping they would be fixed in this skill tree..

I believe that regardless of opinions about the "Blessed Sisturn III," everyone seems to agree on two points: the uselessness of the shield potion and the improved handling of Team Spirit. I hope I haven’t misunderstood.

[Steorra]

4 minutes ago, Lardee said:

Casual players have enjoyed playing Wendy since DST released 10 years ago. Not having the player tag does not in anyway prevent casual players from enjoying Wendy gameplay.

Also, what actually is a casual player?

I was edit the reply above.

I don't think there's any needed to argue with you "what is casual players". They do exist and asking for more survival of Abi. Simply ignore them is just arrogant 

[thesooz9000]

Just now, Yifei_ said:

I believe that regardless of opinions about the "Blessed Sisturn III," everyone seems to agree on two points: the uselessness of the shield potion and the improved handling of Team Spirit. I hope I haven’t misunderstood.

Yes, I concur, Improved handling of team spirit and shield potion Improvements are something that everyone would be happy with.

[Lardee]

Just now, Steorra said:

I was edit the reply above.

I don't think there's any needed to argue with you "what is casual players". They do exist and asking for more survival of Abi. Simply ignore them is just arrogant 

No, if you bring up the term "casual player" you should be able to define it.  What is a casual player? Is it a person who just installed the game? Is it a person who can't survive a year?

Are you a casual player?

[Steorra]

5 minutes ago, thesooz9000 said:

Also, the idea that we're trying to suggest suggestions to bring "Schadenfreude" (the experience of pleasure, joy, or self-satisfaction that comes from learning of or witnessing the troubles, failures, pain, suffering, or humiliation of another) to other players is weird, I just don't want wendy to lose her downside.

You may keep the downside with enhanced Vex Abi (shadow one) if my suggestions become true, and regular abi should be an option for those who dislike the downside.

[Koomin]

Saying it is just the people that want blessed sisturn readjusted that are being rude is pretty inaccurate.  There are hoards of people that are asking for Wendy buffs that are posting calling other people selfish, saying they aren't real Wendy players, saying "stfu", saying other people should go get their health checked, or even your own post saying it is just "schadenfreude". 

[Steorra]

4 minutes ago, Lardee said:

No, if you bring up the term "casual player" you should be able to define it.  What is a casual player? Is it a person who just installed the game? Is it a person who can't survive a year?

Are you a casual player?

If you are just come for searching meaningless endless argument, I have no interest to talk with you.

[Lardee]

Just now, Steorra said:

If you are just come for searching meaningless endless argument, I have no interest to talk with you.

It's not meaningless. In fact it's probably the most important thing that we need to establish. What is a casual player?

If you cannot define it, then you should not be basing your arguments off of it.

[Steorra]

1 minute ago, Lardee said:

It's not meaningless. In fact it's probably the most important thing that we need to establish. What is a casual player?

If you cannot define it, then you should not be basing your arguments off of it.

I've told that here are many players asking more survival of Abi. I just defined them as Casual.

The will of trying to satisfy every side of people is necessary. Or it would just be a selfish perspective.

[SilverSpoon]

6 minutes ago, Koomin said:

Saying it is just the people that want blessed sisturn readjusted that are being rude is pretty inaccurate.  There are hoards of people that are asking for Wendy buffs that are posting calling other people selfish, saying they aren't real Wendy players, saying "stfu", saying other people should go get their health checked, or even your own post saying it is just "schadenfreude". 

Yup, I've edited.

[YuRinshue]

18 minutes ago, Lardee said:

I'm probably one of the Wendiest of Wendy players here and I want Blessed Sisturn III to go away not because of balance, but because it removes Wendy's downside which turns her boss gameplay into Wilson/Wolfgang.

Klei should be giving us more or improving on controls like Team Spirit that let players work around her downsides instead of removing them.

It would also be great if they changed the shield potions to actually be useful.

Wolfgang only needs 19.8 days to defeat all the bosses before opening the rift in a random map without any activity. How does Wendy compare to him?

[Lardee]

Just now, Steorra said:

I've told that here are many players asking more survival of Abi. I just defined them as Casual.

The will of trying to satisfy every side of people is necessary. Or it would just be a selfish perspective.

So your definition of casual is not skill based. It's simply anyone who wants Abigail's survivability to increase.

Also, those "casual" players already have a more survivable Abi. It's called Gestalt Abigail. So what's the issue?

[Reiko24]

Just now, YuRinshue said:

Wolfgang only needs 19.8 days to defeat all the bosses before opening the rift in a random map without any activity. How does Wendy compare to him?

Time isn’t a good factor, since Wendy needs more time to move the shadow pieces.

This doesn’t make her any weaker in boss fights or normal fights, doesn’t suggest her damage is lower or utility is lower. She just doesn’t have Wolfgang’s perk of moving statues easily.

your argument makes 0 sense

[Lardee]

1 minute ago, YuRinshue said:

Wolfgang only needs 19.8 days to defeat all the bosses before opening the rift in a random map without any activity. How does Wendy compare to him?

[Steorra]

2 minutes ago, Lardee said:

So your definition of casual is not skill based. It's simply anyone who wants Abigail's survivability to increase.

Also, those "casual" players already have a more survivable Abi. It's called Gestalt Abigail. So what's the issue?

Gestalt has it's own problem and it is obviously unpopular. Already have survey to provide this fact.

And your words only showed your arrogant to those players. It seems like you just performing like what I said from very beginning. You think those players' enjoyments are none of your business. Completely arrogant.

So Zero-needed to talk anything with you.

4 minutes ago, Reiko24 said:

Time isn’t a good factor, since Wendy needs more time to move the shadow pieces.

This doesn’t make her any weaker in boss fights or normal fights, doesn’t suggest her damage is lower or utility is lower. She just doesn’t have Wolfgang’s perk of moving statues easily.

your argument makes 0 sense

Time isn't good factor, then what is?

I guess only your own define about "what is good" is the only factor you care.

 

[YuRinshue]

5 minutes ago, Reiko24 said:

Time isn’t a good factor, since Wendy needs more time to move the shadow pieces.

This doesn’t make her any weaker in boss fights or normal fights, doesn’t suggest her damage is lower or utility is lower. She just doesn’t have Wolfgang’s perk of moving statues easily.

your argument makes 0 sense

If racing cannot prove the difference in character strength, I think relying on DPS attacking sandbags cannot prove it even more. Everyone knows that Wendy's high damage does not exist in actual boss battles. If you spend the energy taking care of Abigail, your damage efficiency can only reach the level of Wigford or even Wilson, and your fault tolerance is lower than theirs.