I don’t agree with the Sistern skills change

[Jakepeng99]

Increasing Abigail’s health temporarily feels more simple, interesting and more new than just making her take less boss damage.

 

my suggestion is to just please revert this change and add the health thing back instead. Using lune blossoms to make her take less boss damage feels artificial and weird as a skill. It was cool to let Abigail sit and power up, making Wendy risk being alone.

 

edit: Apparently this also makes her kinda broken.

[Steorra]

Fast fact check: have you ever tried to use the newest Abi to fight Lunar bearger? Could you give a video to show how imbalance Abi is for current beta?

 

 

I personally don't think there's any difference between some simple amount change. I don't get what fun from simple amounts like 23456× damage modified from Wolfgang.

[hyoton123]

Why are you so obsessed with armored bearger?

[Jakepeng99]

2 minutes ago, Steorra said:

Fast fact check: have you ever tried to use the newest Abi to fight Lunar bearger? Could you give a video to show how imbalance Abi is for current beta?

 

 

I personally don't think there's any difference between some simple amount change. I don't get what fun from simple amounts like 23456× damage modified from Wolfgang.

If anything, there could be a post riff upgrade to the sistern to help make her stronger against planar mobs using the riff materials. The skill would be part of the Shadow/lunar sisterhood 1 skill since those skills are weak.

[Steorra]

5 minutes ago, hyoton123 said:

Why are you so obsessed with armored bearger?

Far better than obsessed to nerf some particular character I guess.

[Dingle]

3 minutes ago, Steorra said:

Fast fact check: have you ever tried to use the newest Abi to fight Lunar bearger? Could you give a video to show how imbalance Abi is for current beta?

 

 

I personally don't think there's any difference between some simple amount change. I don't get what fun from simple amounts like 23456× damage modified from Wolfgang.

Here's a video of @Tarnishedmax fighting armored bearger! She kills it really fast, check it out:

 

This was before the recent buff to make abigail take half damage with lune flowers.

[Steorra]

4 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said:

If anything, there could be a post riff upgrade to the sistern to help make her stronger against planar mobs using the riff materials. The skill would be part of the Shadow/lunar sisterhood 1 skill since those skills are weak.

Sisturn is a part of Wendy core feature. I can't get your logic about why everything should go into affinities but not for other character feature.

And player tag is never a thing for only post-rift.

4 minutes ago, Dingle said:

Here's a video of @Tarnishedmax fighting armored bearger! She kills it really fast, check it out:

 

This was before the recent buff to make abigail take half damage with lune flowers.

Any difference before?

For some of you who just like to use others' video for arguments - if the buff have not make you from "undoable" to "doable", then there's no doubt about if the buff goes into imbalance.

[Dingle]

1 minute ago, Steorra said:

Sisturn is a part of Wendy core feature. I can't get your logic about why everything should go into affinities but not for other character feature.

And player tag is never a thing for only post-rift.

Any difference before?

Abigail would do less damage before too, and take double damage. The hotfix also gave shadow abby a lot of planar damage, besides the 50% damage reduction.

[hyoton123]

Just now, Steorra said:

Far better than obsessed to nerf some particular character I guess.

Like you are so concerned with wendy’s performance on one of the few bosses that gives you more resources the slower you kill it and has a ton of environmental kill options. Just run both copies through your local evergreen forest every 70 days and enjoy the gladiator fight. Throw a gloomerang at it. Do whatever.

[Dingle]

So now bearger should die even faster, and you can make more mistakes before having to unsummon or quick-revive abby with Graven.

[Steorra]

4 minutes ago, Dingle said:

Abigail would do less damage before too, and take double damage. The hotfix also gave shadow abby a lot of planar damage, besides the 50% damage reduction.

So can you show the difference by videos? If things goes into imbalance then the difference would be huge before and after. 

[hyoton123]

11 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said:

Increasing Abigail’s health temporarily feels more simple, interesting and more new than just making her take less boss damage.

 

my suggestion is to just please revert this change. Using lune blossoms to make her take less boss damage feels artificial and weird as a skill.

Anyway re: OP, agreed. Don’t like this change one bit

[Steorra]

4 minutes ago, Dingle said:

So now bearger should die even faster, and you can make more mistakes before having to unsummon or quick-revive abby with Graven.

No one would argue that this is a buff.

The only thing who obsessed to argue is if this change need revert or not.

I hope a more clearly fact by video comparison rather than "I think it is goes to far by balabala, it need revert."

7 minutes ago, hyoton123 said:

Like you are so concerned with wendy’s performance on one of the few bosses that gives you more resources the slower you kill it and has a ton of environmental kill options. Just run both copies through your local evergreen forest every 70 days and enjoy the gladiator fight. Throw a gloomerang at it. Do whatever.

So, is this "OP" change makes you from unable to kill a lunar bearger with Abi into able to do?

If not, just to choose from "my skill is too noob to show an OP change" "this change is not OP enough to let me do it" "this is not OP"

[Dingle]

2 minutes ago, Steorra said:

So can you show the difference by videos? If things goes into imbalance then the difference would be huge before and after. 

I could play next week and report how long it takes me? Not sure on video.

My point though was that she killed Armored Bearger in 2 minutes BEFORE the recent buffs. That seems really good already in terms of kill time. I assume now its faster due to planar abby, but also easier to do because of the damage reduction. I'd have to test to see how much faster.

[hyoton123]

2 minutes ago, Steorra said:

So, is this "OP" change makes you from unable to kill a lunar bearger with Abi into able to do?

If not, just to choose from "my skill is too noob to show an OP change" "this change is not OP enough to let me do it" "this is not OP"

It is pointless for you to use armored bearger as a point of comparison because it is hard to kill normally and easy to get an environmental kill. Being bad at fighting armored bearger thus has a low cost to players. Compare to being bad at fuelweaver, CC, or rift mobs, or even the nightmare werepig or antlion (obviously, wendy has a good matchup vs antlion)

 

THAT SAID, player tag is pretty easy to math out. It’s an obnoxious buff to spectral cure all, unless it works vs rooks in which case it is an obnoxious buff I 100% SUPPORT!

[Steorra]

9 minutes ago, hyoton123 said:

 it is hard to kill normally

Sorry? But it is easy for "single" characters who need not to manage a follower.

If you want I would open my PC for just a video to show you how kill lunar bearger as Wes.

 

And whatever the difference veiw we have about the bearger, the player tag should has change the damage from rooks, if it worked same as other player tag. But I forgot to test this.

[hyoton123]

1 minute ago, Steorra said:

Sorry? But it is easy for "single" characters who need not to manage a follower.

If you want I would open my PC for just a video to show you how kill lunar bearger as Wes.

 

And whatever the difference veiw we have about the bearger, the player tag should has change the damage from rooks, if it worked same as other player tag. But I forgot to test this.

Actually yeah, I want to see a video of you on wendy killing armored bearger. Because you complain incessantly about the fight, but it isn’t harder on her without abigail, but maybe *slightly* longer. What I am saying is that if it was hard, there are so many ways to kill it other than one on one that it is doesnt matter.

 

But I want to see you do it all the same. Tarnishedmax posted a video showing it isnt that hard, and you complain incessantly about it. So I want to see why you are complaining. if your problem is that you have trouble using abigail here in the exact specific way you want, then I don’t care.

[Steorra]

4 minutes ago, hyoton123 said:

Actually yeah, I want to see a video of you on wendy killing armored bearger. Because you complain incessantly about the fight, but it isn’t harder on her without abigail, but maybe *slightly* longer. What I am saying is that if it was hard, there are so many ways to kill it other than one on one that it is doesnt matter.

 

But I want to see you do it all the same. Tarnishedmax posted a video showing it isnt that hard, and you complain incessantly about it. So I want to see why you are complaining. if your problem is that you have trouble using abigail here in the exact specific way you want, then I don’t care.

If it is needed I would only show you how to kill the bearger as Wes. To hint that to lose main feature of a character when fighting particular bosses is acceptable is ridiculous. And if you do don't care about how should a main feature of character to perform, stop your funny talking regarding Wendy changes. Nobody would care about a viewpoint from this way.

Or maybe you still able to start a poll for a survey to see how many people do care your viewpoints.

[hyoton123]

Just now, Steorra said:

If it is needed I would only show you how to kill the bearger as Wes.

No, on Wendy. I want to see what you're complaining about. If you're just leaving abigail up to eat hits from the boss that specifically punishes you for that, then that's on you. Play better.

[Littlefat1213]

I agree the less boss damage taken but why lunar blossoms ? I don't think there is any connection between resistance to the boss and blossoms. I believe it would be better to design it as a new potion, which could complement the Unyielding Draught (the Unyielding Draught is mainly used against groups of small mobs, while this new potion is special used in boss battles). Also, you could add some expensive crafting materials for balance.

[Steorra]

5 minutes ago, hyoton123 said:

No, on Wendy. I want to see what you're complaining about. If you're just leaving abigail up to eat hits from the boss that specifically punishes you for that, then that's on you. Play better.

It seems there's a logic as "if there's something inconvenient, you should do better but instead off giving a voice for asking change in beta branch" huh?

You'd better to have same logic to every posts here. Don't be hypocrite, good luck.

[zzzzzzzzzzz]

No need for your consent.

[Steorra]

5 minutes ago, Littlefat1213 said:

I agree the less boss damage taken but why lunar blossoms ? I don't think there is any connection between resistance to the boss and blossoms. I believe it would be better to design it as a new potion, which could complement the Unyielding Draught (the Unyielding Draught is mainly used against groups of small mobs, while this new potion is special used in boss battles). Also, you could add some expensive crafting materials for balance.

I guess the design intention is something like "lunar power provided a strength to unveil the fine line between live and death". And we already have living corpse of hounds and penguins by lunar power.

Though I still agree your questioning about it. But there is a need for better sisturn. I guess another reason of this design is just because of an intention to improve sisturn.

[zzzzzzzzzzz]

2分钟前，Steorra说：

我猜设计意图是“月球力量提供了力量，揭开生与死之间的细线”。通过月球力量，我们已经有活的猎犬和企鹅尸体了。

虽然我仍然同意你对此的质疑。但需要更好的姐妹。我猜这个设计的另一个原因只是因为打算改进姐妹。

别理他们了跟个睿智一样莫得脑阔的

[Mysterious box]

I'm just going to say this if abigial gets a player tag then Bernie should get a player tag and so should Webber's spiders when he gets his skill tree especially Webber since spiders are considered a large part of his character as well.