5 reasons about why Abi need more survival ability. Stop gate keeping for Wendy.

[Reiko24]

35 minutes ago, Sacco said:

 You beat me ):

good behavior, there is no point in any discussion with them, they want Wendy to have no downsides from what I see. 

 

If you want the game to be played for you in combat, then just download a mod that makes Abigail an absolute tank, just like you want her to.

[Cdijk16]

3 hours ago, Steorra said:

I know some of you could easily kite Abi when fighting a lunar bearger. But I guess I should clarify something for you.

 

1. Not everyone play a single-player world (it means there would have unexpected latency). Current Abi would easily die in 3 second when the latency happens. You must consider how a character performed under latency. If latency happen then Wendy become Wes, this is not fun.

 

2. Not everyone have enough skill to kite Abi in some particular bosses combat. For some bosses like lunar bearger, Abi management in some particular bosses combat would be a high skill needed for average players.

 

3.Not everyone enjoying the summon-unsummon spamming. Not everyone enjoying the elixirs spamming.

This may only needed in CC combat for high skilled players. But not everyone have such skills. Don't gate keeping for your own sense of superiority.

 

4. Current team spirit command is still hardly to manage. Even it get improvement in future, suddenly death of Abi would be still frustrating for average players. Spamming ghastly and cure-all elixirs for learning the kite skill is pain and boring.

 

5. To make Abi have more survival ability means not to make Abi have same tanky ability like BERNIE!. They are not same thing.

 

2. I dont see why this is a bad thing. Having to put effort and thought into keeping Abigail alive is part of Wendy's downside and adds an element of strategy to Wendy's gameplay. Needing skill to get the most of out of a character's skillset is a good thing in my opinion.

3. If you play skillfully, you can keep Abigail alive without constantly spamming unsummon or healing elixirs like Spectral Cure All in a good portion of fights. This is far from being a necessity for players of a regular skill level, its not as hard to do as you are making it out to be with exception of some bosses. If they dont have the skills to do this, then they can spam potions(i.e spend resources and time to make up for lack of skill) to help Abigail survive. If a player doesnt like doing this then they should practise and get better at the fight so that they dont have to spam potions.

4. In this skilltree we have a new and very cheap potion that can bring Abigail back to max level even if you get her KO'd, so this is not as frustrating as it used to be. And if you dont like doing this then you should learn to kite with Abigail.

 

[hyoton123]

7 hours ago, Steorra said:

Wendy become Wes

New game title. Wendy: Become Wes.

 

Anyway OP if you’re going to use armored bearger as an example, at least pretend you’re using planar weapons too. It’s not 0.75.

[Yifei_]

6 hours ago, Reiko24 said:

they want Wendy to have no downsides from what I see.

There is no point in communicating with someone like you who takes things out of context.

跟你这种断章取义的家伙交流浪费时间。

[Debruh]

49 minutes ago, hyoton123 said:

Anyway OP if you’re going to use armored bearger as an example, at least pretend you’re using planar weapons too. It’s not 0.75.

As well as being one of the few bosses Abby can't be used in. The otherd are just normal bearger, Klaus (not even a problem of survivability, Abby will kill the deer). And maybe frostjaw.

Though, it seems as there might be a way to do it though, currently trying.

[Tarnishedmax]

8 hours ago, Steorra said:

3.Not everyone enjoying the summon-unsummon spamming. Not everyone enjoying the elixirs spamming.

I dont think you actually like Wendy. If you dont like her mechanics which have not changed since like years ago i doubt you are gonna like her now, this is like if i said Wx sucks because i dont enjoy circuits, or nor like Willow because she uses fire (i love her btw this is just to make a point), at this point you are kinda just stating a personal opinions and acting like they are factual, a lot of Wendy players i know enjoy this because its unique to her, it kinda just sounds like you dont want to play her.

1 hour ago, hyoton123 said:

Anyway OP if you’re going to use armored bearger as an example, at least pretend you’re using planar weapons too. It’s not 0.75.

I think its really funny how with planar weapons Wendy does like 8 or 10 less damage than anyone else, making this multiplier almost redundant.

[WenericMember]

23 hours ago, Tarnishedmax said:

I dont think you actually like Wendy. If you dont like her mechanics which have not changed since like years ago i doubt you are gonna like her now, this is like if i said Wx sucks because i dont enjoy circuits, or nor like Willow because she uses fire (i love her btw this is just to make a point), at this point you are kinda just stating a personal opinions and acting like they are factual, a lot of Wendy players i know enjoy this because its unique to her, it kinda just sounds like you dont want to play her.

I think its really funny how with planar weapons Wendy does like 8 or 10 less damage than anyone else, making this multiplier almost redundant.

It does seem a lot of people want a character whose personality they like to play as they like. I think some people would legitimately be happier if Wendy just became an reskin of the new willow.

[Dingle]

19 minutes ago, Shining Galaxy said:

These points do apply to DS, but not to the current DST. What are Wolf's drawbacks? Faster sanity loss?  He can kill a terrorbeak with three attacks, Wolf's sanity has essentially been removed. Need exercise? Just go and gather double resources for the base. What are Woodie's drawbacks? The transformation is just a trade-off, Woodie can even refuse to eat by transforming. The current trend is that the drawbacks of other survivors are becoming weaker and their strengths stronger. So Wilson is being left behind, even though he is truly "without drawbacks."

Wolf gets ambushed/surprised easily. A friend is a wolf main that switched to wigford recently due to this. I don't play him anymore after the rework because I hate the constant working out chore.

Woodie transformations are a pretty insidious sanity drain. Theres the shadow perk to protect you in-form, but you have to pop out sometime. You're very vulnerable going in and out of forms. You cant pick things up in forms. The forms get pretty questionable in end game, where it starts to make sense to stay human to use planar gear. At that point, you're Wilson but with an infinite axe.

[Soul7k]

12 hours ago, Mysterious box said:

Woodie once again was needed due to the uncontrollable nature or his transformations paired with wickerbottom and lunar storms.

i never understood this problem. i just pop a meatball a day and I am fine

[Mysterious box]

8 hours ago, Soul7k said:

i never understood this problem. i just pop a meatball a day and I am fine

Losing all your hunger and some sanity every night wasn't engaging gameplay.

[DVGMedia]

21 hours ago, djturner said:

If you don't like a character's drawback, that character is not for you. That's not a gatekeep.

Every single update to wendy has made her easier to access. She is probably one of the characters that had the most qol changes made to her through the tenure of the game.
From only having one abigail that had no survivability at all and you had to protect to ensure she did not die to have to avoid waiting another 3-5 days to summon her. To being able to make multiple abigials flowers in together so you can replace abby when she died.

To the refresh version where abigail is always with the player but weaker without time to level up.

To now where she is underdeveloped to what faces the characters.
It really is crazy to think that it would be find to take away the leisure given to the players in a form of a drawback now especially when it comes in currency we have to spend to make the character better.

NO other character has received comments like this. Why is wendy the one thats different.

[Bumber64]

20 hours ago, Steorra said:

1. You don't use won't means the follower help is meaningless. This DO increase Wortox's potential DPS.

So why don't you fight armored bearger using followers instead of Abigail?

[Anis5240]

20 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Losing all your hunger and some sanity every night wasn't engaging gameplay.

Well I think you should put up to such downsides, cuz every benefits should also have the drawbacks, right? What Klei did with le funny Lunar Renegade was so damn stupid I lose my braincells.

[Mysterious box]

1 minute ago, Anis5240 said:

Well I think you should put up to such downsides, cuz every benefits should also have the drawbacks, right? What Klei did with le funny Lunar Renegade was so damn stupid I lose my braincells.

Personally I think the were mastery more or less solved it for me so I go with the shadow mastery when I play Woodie over lunar but I think a middle ground would have been doing what they did with Wilba where he'd lose a huge amount of sanity while wearing an item that prevented his transformation or they could have just made it so natural transformations only drain half of whatever his current hunger is. I can see why people wouldn't like dropping your head and bodyslot items every night while also losing all your hunger.

[Anis5240]

9 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

wearing an item that prevented his transformation

finally, iridescent gem amulet, so op

[kroban]

Why dont you just play Maxwell at this point? I dont get it, Abigail's """weak""" survivability is the only disadvantage Wendy has on her kit (0.75 in damage is a joke when she constantly attacks for extra with vex the entire game basically), using potions is also an essential part of Wendy's kit and part of what makes her character unique. If you don't like those things, specially having to use potions, why not just playing other character that does kind of the same but has less of a hassle?

[Anis5240]

Just now, kroban said:

Why dont you play Maxwell at this point?

cuz le funny 75 HP is too much of a deterrent for them to play lmaoooooo 

[Soul7k]

44 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Losing all your hunger and some sanity every night wasn't engaging gameplay.

That's why i only eat enough to make it through the day. if my hunger is 0 by the night then I lose nothing with the curse.

 

7 minutes ago, Anis5240 said:

cuz le funny 75 HP is too much of a deterrent for them to play lmaoooooo 

75 doesn't seem so small when you live in nightmare armor kekw

[Reiko24]

14 minutes ago, kroban said:

Why dont you play Maxwell at this point? I dont get it, Abigail's weak survivability is the only disadvantage Wendy has on her kit (0.75 in damage is a joke when she constantly attacks with vex the entire game basically), using potions is also an essential part of Wendy's kit and part of what makes her character unique. If you don't like those things, specially having to use potions, why not just playing other character that does kind of the same but has less of a hassle?

because "wendy is cute"

[kroban]

12 minutes ago, Soul7k said:

75 doesn't seem so small when you live in nightmare armor kekw

Even less of a problem if you are just riding a 1000hp meat shield ornery the entire time (which coincidentally is the exact same thing many Wendy players do)

[Anis5240]

15 minutes ago, Soul7k said:

22 minutes ago, Anis5240 said:

lmaoooooo 

75 doesn't seem so small when you live in nightmare armor kekw

"b-b-but me fragile, one swoop and I die augh"

[Soul7k]

27 minutes ago, kroban said:

Even less of a problem if you are just riding a 1000hp meat shield ornery the entire time (which coincidentally is the exact same thing many Wendy players do)

truuuuuuuuuuuuuu

[Yifei_]

9 hours ago, Reiko24 said:

because "wendy is cute"

Maxwell can also be very cute. Oh my goodness, ignore my nonsense... just kidding.

[WenericMember]

On 12/12/2024 at 1:19 AM, Steorra said:

I know some of you could easily kite Abi when fighting a lunar bearger. But I guess I should clarify something for you.

 

1. Not everyone play a single-player world (it means there would have unexpected latency). Current Abi would easily die in 3 second when the latency happens. You must consider how a character performed under latency. If latency happen then Wendy become Wes, this is not fun.

 

2. Not everyone have enough skill to kite Abi in some particular bosses combat. For some bosses like lunar bearger, Abi management in some particular bosses combat would be a high skill needed for average players.

 

3.Not everyone enjoying the summon-unsummon spamming. Not everyone enjoying the elixirs spamming.

This may only needed in CC combat for high skilled players. But not everyone have such skills. Don't gate keeping for your own sense of superiority.

 

4. Current team spirit command is still hardly to manage. Even it get improvement in future, suddenly death of Abi would be still frustrating for average players. Spamming ghastly and cure-all elixirs for learning the kite skill is pain and boring.

 

5. To make Abi have more survival ability means not to make Abi have same tanky ability like BERNIE!. They are not same thing.

 

Thats.... just how Wendy plays? 

 

You arent forced to kite with Abigail for damage. You can switch to wolfgang, or choose lunar Abby. And no, liking Wendys personality isnt a reason to erase her gameplay identity. Those two thing are independant. 

Saying  people dont enjoy playing Wendy... means they shouldnt be playing Wendy. Wendys combat involves a lot of micromanaging. If you dont like it, there are about 15 other charaxters.

Also, you have repeatedly stated that you dont want Abby to tank, but also that team spirit will never be enough. You havent actually provided a suggestion that is neither.

 

Love Winona and wurts aesthetic and personality, but hate their gameplay loops bc of how resource intensive they are, but Im not going around asking klei to reduce their structure costs to a point that satisfies me because... forcing them to play like that would erase the enjoyment of peoe who actually like the playstyle.

[reddocc]

Just buff Abigail's health to 4000, make all potions have cooldown instead of being consumable and remove Wendy's 0.75 dmg and get done with this Wendy abomination please klei I beg you do it for Walter and Wortox. The expectation of this skill tree is for Wendy to surpass Wigfrid in terms of survivality and combat capabilities, Wanda and wortox in terms of mobility, Winona in terms of AOE planar DMG and Maxwell in crowd control, it will never happen as long as Wendy gameplay requires more input than holding f