I hate doing pipspooks quest repeatedly.

[GimplyGoose]

Moving graves to Pearl's island and doing your pipspook quests there felt pretty good. All the trinkets would spawn super close together so you could get the quests done super fast.

I do think there should be an additional *slower* way to generate mourning glories outside of pipspook quests. I think doing pipspook quests should always the fastest way to get a lot of mourning glories, but maybe there could be a more passive slower way to generate a limited amount of mourning glories? Maybe decorated graves could generate mourning glories instead of evil flowers?

[IAmAFurrz]

21 hours ago, DaDa_waw said:

I don't know if you've experienced Wendy, but I can tell you it's completely different from planting grass

i have, actually, lol

[SilverSpoon]

15 hours ago, Koomin said:

I'm not denying any suggestions or saying that everyone agrees with me.  I'm not sure where you came up with any of that.  I'm just sharing my opinions about what I would like to see, just like everyone else.  Saying that something would make me feel bad is totally a real reason to accept.  All I said was that I, personally, would only be happy if it wasn't automated.  Here is my original post again if you want to reread it:

15 hours ago, Koomin said:

I'm not sure why it is some big problem that I am providing input that I don't agree with a suggestion.

I'm not going to stop people from expressing their dissenting opinions.

I don't think that saying "I don't like" or "I feel like losing out" is a bad thing, but I just don't think it's a valid enough reason to oppose something.

[Koomin]

6 hours ago, SilverSpoon said:

I'm not going to stop people from expressing their dissenting opinions.

I don't think that saying "I don't like" or "I feel like losing out" is a bad thing, but I just don't think it's a valid enough reason to oppose something.

What are you even talking about at this point?  The entire reason the beta forum exists is to discuss whether you enjoy the beta and whether or not you would enjoy proposed suggestions, and whether to implement them based on that.  The entire point of the game is to enjoy it, so whether people would like something or not is actually the most important feedback.  The literal title of this thread is about whether or not you like a part of the game.  People not enjoying something or feeling bad due to it is absolutely a valid reason to not make a change.  

You have now argued for 10 posts about how it was "not valid" that I explained why a proposed change would not be something I would like and so would not want it, which is wild.  At this point it's pretty clear that you are just trying to shut down opinions that you disagree with.  Your posts are a great example of what people are referring to about people acting poorly about certain topics on this forum.  I'm going to leave this discussion here.

[Lee lol]

11 hours ago, SilverSpoon said:

I don't think that saying "I don't like" or "I feel like losing out" is a bad thing, but I just don't think it's a valid enough reason to oppose something

Just saying "I don't like it" is not a good reason to object, but Koomin has given the real reason why he doesn't like it - to make the game boring. It's boring to stand and wait for MG to generate automatically. He wants to complete the task by himself, and he doesn't mind adding some challenges or random events to make the pipspook task more interesting. I think this is a good reason.

In terms of automation, he is the same as the people who don't like the current pipspook branch, both because it's boring.

I think all the suggestions about "let MG automatically generate", whether it is the decorated grave or the sisturn automatically generates MG, because the pipspook task itself is too boring, so they want to add additional MG sources to escape the task. Personally, I think these two automated production methods are not bad, because they also contain some tasks, whether it is collecting petals or moving tombstones, and decorating with demon flowers. At least it's much better than the pipspook mission. I don't think they should be the main source of MG. The output should be controlled. They are just better as an addition, so you only need to go to the tombstone garden and the urn occasionally.

A better solution is to make the pipspook task more interesting.

However, the devs still have so many more important tasks to be do, if the pipspook branch has not changed, I can understand, because it is really a branch with the least problem...

[CremeLover]

I'm just going to copy paste a few things I said in other threads.

First the resource adquisition comparison:

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Willow =  Embers. Just burn any weak mob. Can setup nice farms to automate it better.
WX-78 = Biodata. You can gather biodata from many different sources, and once you have a setup you want you only need more biodata if you swap circuits constantly. You can make a few pens near your base and scan mobs very fast and easy to stockpile a bunch of it.
Wickerbottom = Papyrus. Is a bit out of the way to go to the swamp to gather reeds, but with the inclusion of monkey tails, and the ability to turn blueprints from bosses into regular papyrus, plus the ability to regenerate books in the library, I believe her resource intensive demand has been quite lessened from her first iteration.
Woodie = Monster meat + basic resources. Is everywhere.
Maxwell = Nightmare fuel. Also everywhere
Winona = Many resources, including some boss drops. She is quite resource intensive, but structures need to only be built once since you can move them. Fuel can be gathered just doing other things not related to Winona, or by other characters. Lunar alignment removes need to refuel.
Warly = Spices. You do need to farm and do some sailing to get many of his spices, but many characters can gather all the spices for him, and there are many other reasons why you would want to farm or sail.
Wortox = Souls. Any mob gives you souls.

 

Wendy = Morning Glory. Do a specific sidequest where you guide a ghost to its toys. Sidequest is the same day 1 and day 1000, cannot be automated or speedup and resource cannot be gathered through any other means, and only Wendy can do it. Her resource is to make consumables to boot, so no reuse like Wicker's books, Wigfrid's songs or Winona's structures

The main 4 problems are in my opinion:

-Can only be gathered by Wendy
-Can only be gathered through a sidequest, you won't come accross it by chance or by doing some other thing
-Cannot be streamlined, changed, or automated, sidequest remains the same no matter how long your world is
-Resource are consumables, is something you need to gather again and again
 

If only one of these was different, I would be fine with this quest, but is the combination of it making you do the same again and again, with no way to involve player expression to it.

You can make a spider farm with bunnies to farm souls with Wortox every day automatically, and there are clever ways to use spider queens to make embers passively for willow, or using a bee box ember farm. But with Wendy? Back to doing the same day 1 sidequest you go!

 

What I have suggested is to change the second condition, and add separated ways to adquire said resource:

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1.- Allow you to convert an already existing resource into mourning glory. I've seen comments that the uncompromising mod makes it so petals spoiled inside the sisturn turn into mourning glory, which is not a bad idea.
2.- Add new boss on future updates, whose drops can be turned into mourning glory. Similarly on how you can turn bee queen's Honeycombs into Wax and then into Wax Paper. (Making it drop mourning glory straight up would be pointless for other characters). This would probably require another update, and is out of the scope for this beta.
3.- Add another interaction with Pipspooks. Right now you can take a pipspook to gather its lost toys, and it rewards you with mourning glory. Well, why don't you give them a new toy (trinket) instead? And in exchange you receive mourning glory. Not as much, but it simplifies the process if you have multiple trinkets to spare (and gives a use to the endless supply of Melty Marbles after clearing the ruins). Not all trinkets would work, but mostly the toy related ones, don't give the poor ghost some cables.

A way to streamline it from the part of the player would be similar to what @GimplyGoose said up here, just not quite what I was looking for.

The only thing I would be against is expanding the pipspook sidequest too much, since the quest is character locked, and this would actually lock content behind a character, which is not a healthy direction for the game to go.

[ApoIIo]

There should be more quests than just the same pipspook quest. If the way of obtaining glories is gonna be fetching stuff mmorpg-esque style, then there may as well be variety in it. Then you won't get bored as much.

[kroban]

Yall Wendy players are asking for Wendy to get erased and made a whole different character at this point lmao. Mourning glory is literally the easiest resource to farm in the game, you get it out of just walking , you get like 20 each time, and theres even a bug to farm it on ocean with 0 effort. Like really, you do the quest 3 times and you would have enough potions for a year.

Chopping wood, getting grass, twigs is also repetitive and way, WAY slower than mourning glory farm. Other character's resourcers are also harder to stack, like Willow's embers and Wortox souls, both requiring mob setups and actual inputs rather than just walking 10 tiles. Should Klei entirely rework all that or Wendy is the only privileged here?

[ApoIIo]

On 1/15/2025 at 11:57 PM, kroban said:

Chopping wood, getting grass, twigs is also repetitive and way, WAY slower than mourning glory farm. Other character's resourcers are also harder to stack, like Willow's embers and Wortox souls, both requiring mob setups and actual inputs rather than just walking 10 tiles. Should Klei entirely rework all that or Wendy is the only privileged here?

To be fair, there are a ton of different ways to gather wood/grass or souls compared to mourning glories being obtainable only by strictly doing one thing, so I can see the value in adding a variety of quests to keep it from going stale.