Why does wendy need to be able to destroy every boss?

[Primalflower]

I keep seeing posts saying that out of the skill tree now, what we've already gotten is not enough, that wendy's far easier time dealing with bosses and pretty much everything else the game throws at her is not enough, and at this point i'm just so confused. Like, wendy, as she stands now, has a far easier time dealing with most any physical threat thrown her way, her options are extremely safe and any number disadvantages she retains are either null most of the time or not actually a problem at all when they do come into play. She is ridiculously good and powerful already, but even then, it seems as if it is not enough, and she needs to be even more.

I understand feeling attached to a character, but what are you playing the game for if there is absolutely no strife it throws at you that you do not instantly conquer? There are extremely few situations in which wendy does not actively prosper if not perform far better than the entire rest of the roster in the game

[ADM]

I would like to extend the question to "why does everything have to be so great" in general, I'm often asking myself such things, and the answer to each of these is the same, people love op beyond necessity these days.

[cyjs]

You should ask Wortox next to you why he has such an excellent skill tree. The damage comes from comparison.

[Lee lol]

Wendy doesn't need to be able to destroy every boss easily, but her skill tree should improve Abigail's survivability against the Rift creatures. The current situation is that Gestalt Abi's survivability and attack power have been both greatly weakened, and I think at least one should be kept, otherwise Gestalt will be far weaker than Shadow Abi, or even ordinary Abi. This is for the balance of the game.

[Primalflower]

Just now, Lee lol said:

The current situation is that Gestalt Abi's survivability

doesn't she hide and actively try to avoid whenever she is low hp? That is quite a lot in comparison to any other follower in the game

[Dingle]

6 minutes ago, cyjs said:

You should ask Wortox next to you why he has such an excellent skill tree. The damage comes from comparison.

If Wortox got the same special treatment as Wendy, he'd be able to teleport inside a boss to blow it up instantly at this point.

[zzzzzzzzzzz]

It's ridiculous. Which character doesn't need to defeat all the bosses?

[Lee lol]

刚才，Primalflower 说道：

每当她 HP 低时，她不是躲起来并主动尝试避开吗？与游戏中的任何其他追随者相比，这是相当多的

Note that when Abi's HP drops to 25%, she will try to dodge while not attacking again, but the boss will still hate her and will attack her so much that we have to take her back... So this doesn't improve Abi's survivability, as in the previous situation, we could also reclaim Abi's HP when it dropped to 25%. I don't see any difference in that.

[Primalflower]

1 minute ago, zzzzzzzzzzz said:

It's ridiculous. Which character doesn't need to defeat all the bosses?

every character already could, is the thing. Thats part of what i'm saying. Wendy without skill tree could already defeat bosses, just a little harder than the usual character. Wendy with skill tree is already far past that point, far far better, she already has an extremely strong leg up. She doesn't need more.

[Ugur01]

7 minutes ago, cyjs said:

You should ask Wortox next to you why he has such an excellent skill tree. The damage comes from comparison.

Wortox before got the skill tree was wilson but can teleport. Also he had  disadvantages.he was really devoid of content This skill tree was what he really needed. What about Wendy?

[Primalflower]

3 minutes ago, Lee lol said:

Note that when Abi's HP drops to 25%, she will try to dodge while not attacking again, but the boss will still hate her and will attack her so much that we have to take her back... So this doesn't improve Abi's survivability, as in the previous situation, we could also reclaim Abi's HP when it dropped to 25%. I don't see any difference in that.

I am not opposed to this particular aspect of her being changed, because I think this is part of the whole point of gestalt abigail. But I do want to further question, why not just make sure you have aggro? If abigail hides actively then it should be easy for the player to draw the monsters attention, or hell, specifically bring tools that let her drag aggro better (boomerang, gloomerang)

[zzzzzzzzzzz]

刚才，Primalflower说：

每个角色都已经可以了，是事情。这就是我所说的部分内容。没有技能树的Wendy已经可以打败老板了，只是比通常的角色要难一点。拥有技能树的Wendy已经远远超过了那个点，好多了，她已经有了一条非常强壮的腿。她不需要更多。

What do you think it has to do with my opinion?

[Lee lol]

2 minutes ago, Primalflower said:

每个角色都已经可以了，就是这样。这就是我要说的一部分。没有技能树的温蒂已经可以击败 Boss，只是比通常的角色难一点。拥有技能树的温蒂已经远远超过了这一点，好得多，她已经拥有非常强大的优势。她不需要更多。

You don't seem to understand what Wendy has to face when fighting the Rift creatures. Can you answer me, have you ever used Wendy to fight a Rift creature? In the case of guaranteeing Abigail's survival?

[Primalflower]

1 minute ago, zzzzzzzzzzz said:

What do you think it has to do with my opinion?

You said that every character needs to destroy bosses. My statement directly correlates to this. Every character by themselves can kill bosses fine, there is no impossibility here. Wendy without skill tree is a bit worse at it, but wendy with skill tree is already better than the baseline by a great margin and I think she doesn't need further improvement.

[zzzzzzzzzzz]

刚才，Primalflower说：

你说每个角色都需要消灭老板。我的陈述与此直接相关。每个角色自己都能很好地杀死老板，这里没有不可能。没有技能树的温迪更差一些，但有技能树的温迪已经比基线好一大，我认为她不需要进一步改进。

If your understanding of the game is only at this level, I suggest you don't make suggestions.

[Lee lol]

2 minutes ago, Primalflower said:

我并不反对她被改变的这一特定方面，因为我认为这是格式塔阿比盖尔的全部意义的一部分。但我确实想进一步问，为什么不直接确保你有仇恨呢？如果阿比盖尔主动躲藏，那么玩家应该很容易引起怪物的注意，或者见鬼，特别是带上让她更好地拖动仇恨的工具（回旋镖、阴骸镖）

Because we've been doing this all the time in the past, and the skill tree should improve the situation, either by improving Abigail's defense, or by giving her flexibility, instead of making the player bear everything, what's the difference between that and before without the skill tree?

[Primalflower]

Just now, zzzzzzzzzzz said:

If your understanding of the game is only at this level, I suggest you don't make suggestions.

I don't know what to tell you

1 minute ago, Lee lol said:

Because we've been doing this all the time in the past, and the skill tree should improve the situation, either by improving Abigail's defense, or by giving her flexibility, instead of making the player bear everything, what's the difference between that and before without the skill tree?

this statement is lost in translation, I don't know what you're saying

[zzzzzzzzzzz]

刚才，Primalflower说：

我不知道该告诉你什么

Then I'll explain again. I'm talking about game understanding.

[Primalflower]

Just now, zzzzzzzzzzz said:

Then I'll explain again. I'm talking about game understanding.

This statement is either lost in translation or entirely unrelated to what we're talking about

[layangan putus]

Wendy or any other character for this matter doesn't need to destroy every boss, she can progressively get Insight to get skills needed until she can unlock shadow/lunar power. Surely, some would spend Insight right away and would prefer her designed to be OP but that's just people want to break the game cycle waiting for new updates later. The real issue comes from her shadow/lunar power being not rewarding enough for post-rift content. Imagine you play her venturing through many obstacles until main bosses defeated to then enter post-rift world where you unlock this new Abi (especially the Gestalt one) and turns out Abi is just not helpful so you become lesser Wilson. Don't ask why combat including fighting bosses is important in DST, it's already discussed somewhere. Read & test new Wendy skill tree and use these two:

1. "Any skills outside those shadow/lunar power should at least progressively help the players in surviving the Constant & solving the mysteries including but not limited to making the fight against certain bosses easier (AG, SP, & AFW or CK & CC)."
2. "The only fair evaluation for shadow/lunar power is to observe its performance against post-rift bosses especially for melee against Armored Bearger, range against Crystal Deerclops, crowd control against Possessed Varg, multiple tough enemies against Shriek/Rasp/Jitters, static position against Deadly Brightshade, and unique ability against Grazer or Rictus."

It's not about defeating post-rift content using same methods as Wilson, it's more about DST charm bla bla bla fun & engaging bla bla bla future new players bla bla bla.

[zzzzzzzzzzz]

刚才，Primalflower说：

这句话要么在翻译中丢失了，要么和我们正在谈论的内容完全无关

It's you don't understand.

[Peasant]

4 minutes ago, Primalflower said:

This statement is either lost in translation or entirely unrelated to what we're talking about

 

2 minutes ago, zzzzzzzzzzz said:

It's you don't understand.

I think, zzzzzzzzzz means that simply showing how long you had played the gamd doesn't mean that you have a better understanding of the game than the others?

I myself can't say it's wrong though, as back to the time I playing ds, I was really noob despite that I played it for several years on my phone…

[Primalflower]

Just now, YXukun said:

 

I think, zzzzzzzzzz means that simply showing how long you had played the gamd doesn't mean that you have a better understanding of the game than the others?

I myself can't say it's wrong though, as back to the time I playing ds, I was really noob despite that I played it for several years on my phone…

I don't know, Z was like saying that I don't know what I'm talking about before any thought towards how long i've played the game was shown, They initially responded with a similar thing to me just saying that wendy is already far better at this with her current skill tree and therefore i dont think it needs improving, this whole thread they've just kind of been saying you don't know what you're talking about and not elaborating

[zzzzzzzzzzz]

I said he didn't understand.

[Peasant]

3 minutes ago, Primalflower said:

I don't know, Z was like saying that I don't know what I'm talking about before any thought towards how long i've played the game was shown, They initially responded with a similar thing to me just saying that wendy is already far better at this with her current skill tree and therefore i dont think it needs improving, this whole thread they've just kind of been saying you don't know what you're talking about and not elaborating

I rechecked the coversation, and…Can't say I'm that support you. Your point is that "Wendy is already good before the skilltree, so the skilltree doesn't need to buff", I presume?

2 minutes ago, Lee lol said:

Try to learn some english if you don't know what im talking about.

No need to be that impatient…