Does every character have to be good at everything

[RozeMeteor]

3 minutes ago, Cats_On_Fire said:

And we're sidetracked. Also love the scientist but can we maybe make a dedicated post

My bad, i was responsible to start it. Let me try fix. No, not every character has to be good at everthing cuz the foundation of the game was based on good and bad points, besides it takes out the fun. Many adjustments would need to be made but i strongly believe at least they should not be too spaced out in power, take Maxwell and Walter in comparison, Walter has no way to even match what Max can do even if Walter per se got some good qualities. Power also come in diferent levels for example trade qol for lack of power in combat or vice versa, it's fun have to opt for something and have something taken as well, it spice things up and many of the game nowdays is skiltrees adding mostly % this %that or +damage everthing. On my view all characters should be revised from 0, some things should be added on their kits naturally,others taken off, harsher conditions too. After all that if they're ''balanced or at least fun yet not bad per se, we would proceed with the skilltrees.

2 minutes ago, Anis5240 said:

No, it's not. The point what I'm trying to say is that's Wilson is considered the 'best' in DS since again, everyone else suffer from either minor (and annoying) and major downsides.

In DST, guess what? Everyone can do better things than him.

We are wrongh here, this isn't the point of this post, if you so desire make a post about Wilson and we can keep arguing there, as much it angers me the disrespect of Wilson as character we can't let it cloud our better judgement only cuz we like the character.

[asdsaax]

21 hours ago, Cats_On_Fire said:

Does wortox need aoe???

 

Yes

I love that playing him is an actual tangible experience now, rather than a chore and pretending that I'm not playing borderline Wilson 2 (RIP crafting table mains tho)

I hope everyone gets quality time with their fav character for investing at least 2-10 hours of their lifetime into that game

[arubaro]

20 hours ago, Cats_On_Fire said:

Okay. So I feel like we just kinda have to discuss this. Should everybody be great at everything?

That is boring and a flat design  which goes against the interesting concept that klei developed with downsides back in the day. While i think most DS downsides are boring or very limiting, they were well integrated in dst before some of them were diluted with the skill trees.

20 hours ago, Cats_On_Fire said:

Do Willow and wormwood need the aoe?

Isn't about need but if that fits their character. I think it does despite willow's combustion and affinity spells making some encounters boring

20 hours ago, Cats_On_Fire said:

Does Wanda need half the clocks in her kit? 

What does this mean? If you mean carrying their entire clock variety, that isnt true. I only use 1 ageless and 1 teleporting watch for regular playing and i carry the back step for certain fights since isnt as op as some people like to dramatize...walking is easier and safer...

20 hours ago, Cats_On_Fire said:

Should wendy have niches outside of early game horde control? (She should have late game scalability

She always had them since her refresh but there are people who dont know how to play her and, instead of improving, they ask for more and more because that is more confortable

20 hours ago, Cats_On_Fire said:

Should warly have his honey spice?

Absolutely? There isnt much room for buffs that also work in MP. Is the fun of this character, getting buffs in exchange of farming food and materials. I wish more characters have this philosophy in this game with mechanics for gathering materials instead of just spawning with powerful free non senses

20 hours ago, Cats_On_Fire said:

Does wortox need aoe???

Is a very specific way of doing aoe that helps making him less grindy. I think this was a good thing. What i dont see necessarily and breaks some of the management of this character is being able, and having the incentive  of carrying +100 souls which can be farmed in few minutes with the aoe perk

20 hours ago, Cats_On_Fire said:

Should every character have a skill tree of equal power??

No but all of them should be fun and give options and varity of configurations. 

What they should avoid is repeating Wilson's and Wolfgang’s trees. Neither i think woodie's or wigfrid's are good trees...

And for characters like wolf or maxwell they should remove perks from the base character and bring them as options in their skill tree. In that way they can add more variety of spells to max instead of by adding just 1 you can make him stupidly strong or, as wolf, have the option to choose between seafaring perks or variety of dumbells for example

20 hours ago, Cats_On_Fire said:

What needs to be made base kit??

Everything that doesnt belong to a skill tree. Depends of the character but stuff like "you dont lose hp when eating an idol" or "more speed speed while in moose form" feels like a cheap and unispired way of filling a skill tree 

Neither should be added niche stuff that belongs to a crafting station bacause that makes the character be a crafting station like Wilson's alchemist branch or wormwood's crafting plants branch (which fits him but is like 6 points...)

21 hours ago, Cats_On_Fire said:

What should the overall character power level be??

Imo less than wolfgang pre skill trees

But i think there shbe different power levels, some weaker and others stronger. Just not as strong as they are buffing everybody...imagine how stupid would be playing multiplayer

[Cats_On_Fire]

3 hours ago, Anis5240 said:

No, it's not. The point what I'm trying to say is that's Wilson is considered the 'best' in DS since again, everyone else suffer from either minor (and annoying) and major downsides.

In DST, guess what? Everyone can do better things than him.

To put it simply. I am a wickerbottom and warly main. I think Wilson is in an okay state at worst he's c tier at best a very solid A. Sure he won't destroy bosses but his perks are situational but really useful 

[Captain_Rage]

On 12/6/2024 at 1:18 AM, Well-met said:

everyone was always better than wilson, it's not a talking point. He's the poster boy of the franchise and has no other purpose than to learn winter with.

Well, there was still the quirk with downsides of different characters you had to play around. With the current new items, general whine on the forums and skill trees any quirk or twist is basically gone. There is not much difference nor distinction between the characters. The current state of the game is starting to feel pretty bland.

Wilson's upside was not having a real downside. This is not true anymore because every other character has had their downside toned down to a boring degree, including new items that negate some downsides completely. >_>

[Edible Coal]

i think upside and downside serves one simple purpose, which is to change the gameplay of a character so they have unique experience other than willson 2.0 . The dev probably never balance character around willson besides his stats probably because this isnt a pvp game

[Just Ragnar]

On 12/6/2024 at 5:25 PM, Anis5240 said:

No, it's not. The point what I'm trying to say is that's Wilson is considered the 'best' in DS since again, everyone else suffer from either minor (and annoying) and major downsides.

In DST, guess what? Everyone can do better things than him.

this is why i want every character except wilson to get an actual, meaningful downside.

give maxwell 1 max health and make him too frail to get on a beefalo and i'll justify his overpoweredness

[Anis5240]

16 minutes ago, Just Ragnar said:

actual, meaningful downside.

Woodie would've been actually challenging to use for the lunar quest since le funny moonstorms trigger his wereforms, and hey, guess what our good ol' Klei did to make him more bearable in such circumstances?

THEY DELETE THAT ENTIRE DOWNSIDE VIA LUNAR RENEGADE. What an absolute band-aid fix.

Yes, I DO want other characters have their downsides from DS to return. Let Willow set things on fire when she's low sanity again. Is extinguishing fire so hard for the firestarter character, especially with her lighter perks now? I think not. Let players deal with their character of choice's annoyances again, please.

[Just Ragnar]

1 minute ago, Anis5240 said:

Woodie would've been actually challenging to use for the lunar quest since le funny moonstorms trigger his wereforms, and hey, guess what our good ol' Klei did to make him more bearable in such circumstances?

THEY DELETE THAT ENTIRE DOWNSIDE VIA LUNAR RENEGADE. What an absolute band-aid fix.

Yes, I DO want other characters have their downsides from DS to return. Let Willow set things on fire when she's low sanity again. Is extinguishing fire so hard for the firestarter character, especially with her lighter perks now? I think not. Let players deal with their character of choice's annoyances again, please.

downsides that destroy the base if a newbie dumb no thanks, downsides that make that singular person's life bad yes please

 

[Steorra]

Sorry? Wasn't that wormwood has AOE ability from the very beginning when they patched out?

48 minutes ago, Anis5240 said:

Woodie would've been actually challenging to use for the lunar quest since le funny moonstorms trigger his wereforms, and hey, guess what our good ol' Klei did to make him more bearable in such circumstances?

THEY DELETE THAT ENTIRE DOWNSIDE VIA LUNAR RENEGADE. What an absolute band-aid fix.

Yes, I DO want other characters have their downsides from DS to return. Let Willow set things on fire when she's low sanity again. Is extinguishing fire so hard for the firestarter character, especially with her lighter perks now? I think not. Let players deal with their character of choice's annoyances again, please.

Yeh they now doing same thing for Wortox, but it seems less voices are trying to against such change. I guess there are still some chances to stop this go on live. You may make more effort for it.

[Anis5240]

47 minutes ago, Just Ragnar said:

downsides that destroy the base if a newbie dumb no thanks

if that newbie ain't paying attention to what's happening in their screen it's their fault lol

[Just Ragnar]

Just now, Anis5240 said:

if that newbie ain't paying attention to what's happening in their screen it's their fault lol

If that newbie joins a multiplayer world and basesits without game knowledge and the base burns, that will only lead to bad things.