lio516 Posted December 3, 2024 Share Posted December 3, 2024 There are lots and lots of Wendy players who come up with lots and lots of interesting skills and I really think you need to think about what Wendy really needs and not have a bunch of skills that just add damage and nonsense and just make people feel like the designers don't understand the game and the characters and let people down Wattox's skills and Winona's are interesting, but why would Wendy's skills feel similar to Wolfgang's? Is it because you think Wendy can only hurt? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161749-%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%E9%9C%80%E8%A6%81%E7%9A%84%E4%B8%8D%E6%98%AF%E4%BC%A4%E5%AE%B3%EF%BC%8C%E8%80%8C%E6%98%AF%E9%98%BF%E6%AF%94%E7%9B%96%E5%B0%94%E7%9A%84%E7%94%9F%E5%AD%98%E8%83%BD%E5%8A%9B%E5%92%8C%E4%B8%80%E7%82%B9%E7%82%B9%E4%B8%AA%E4%BA%BA%E4%BC%A4%E5%AE%B3%E5%8A%A0%E6%88%90%EF%BC%8C%E5%85%B6%E4%BD%99%E7%9A%84%E5%8F%AF%E4%BB%A5%E6%98%AF%E7%94%9F%E6%B4%BB%E4%B9%90%E8%B6%A3%E6%8A%80%E8%83%BD/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunkShark Posted December 3, 2024 Share Posted December 3, 2024 Yep. You answered your own question. Wendy is very similar to Wolfgang in that they both did do their jobs very well already. So their skill tree follows within their same amount of balance. The issue that followed Wendy was that bosses and late-game enemies would crush Abi with very little work to do so, this is what the skill tree is trying to fix with the likes of alignments and new elixirs. The rest is QOL additions to the control of Abi, collection of glories and buffs to the sisturn. But base-Abi already wrecks most of enemies that are in groups throughout most of the game where her power shines the most. The entire format of Wendy is that she relies on Abigail to fight for her. at heart the duo is a fighting team and their perks are about fighting together as a team. Helping one another, Wendy supports Abi because Abi is the stronger sister of the 2. And this is why Wendy's skill tree doesn't change her attritubes to be a gatherer, forager, farmer or even changing Wendy herself because that is not what her character is all about. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161749-%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%E9%9C%80%E8%A6%81%E7%9A%84%E4%B8%8D%E6%98%AF%E4%BC%A4%E5%AE%B3%EF%BC%8C%E8%80%8C%E6%98%AF%E9%98%BF%E6%AF%94%E7%9B%96%E5%B0%94%E7%9A%84%E7%94%9F%E5%AD%98%E8%83%BD%E5%8A%9B%E5%92%8C%E4%B8%80%E7%82%B9%E7%82%B9%E4%B8%AA%E4%BA%BA%E4%BC%A4%E5%AE%B3%E5%8A%A0%E6%88%90%EF%BC%8C%E5%85%B6%E4%BD%99%E7%9A%84%E5%8F%AF%E4%BB%A5%E6%98%AF%E7%94%9F%E6%B4%BB%E4%B9%90%E8%B6%A3%E6%8A%80%E8%83%BD/#findComment-1767619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyjs Posted December 3, 2024 Share Posted December 3, 2024 If Wendy's skill tree does not produce new changes, it will disappoint most people. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161749-%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%E9%9C%80%E8%A6%81%E7%9A%84%E4%B8%8D%E6%98%AF%E4%BC%A4%E5%AE%B3%EF%BC%8C%E8%80%8C%E6%98%AF%E9%98%BF%E6%AF%94%E7%9B%96%E5%B0%94%E7%9A%84%E7%94%9F%E5%AD%98%E8%83%BD%E5%8A%9B%E5%92%8C%E4%B8%80%E7%82%B9%E7%82%B9%E4%B8%AA%E4%BA%BA%E4%BC%A4%E5%AE%B3%E5%8A%A0%E6%88%90%EF%BC%8C%E5%85%B6%E4%BD%99%E7%9A%84%E5%8F%AF%E4%BB%A5%E6%98%AF%E7%94%9F%E6%B4%BB%E4%B9%90%E8%B6%A3%E6%8A%80%E8%83%BD/#findComment-1767633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lio516 Posted December 3, 2024 Author Share Posted December 3, 2024 1 hour ago, Fitzee said: For someone who claims that "the designers don't play Wendy", they sure have no clue who Wendy is themselves. Yes, you're right. The designer doesn't know how much damage a shadow blade does, or how to row a boat, or summon the Shadow Weaver on the surface or cause him to disappear instantly 2 hours ago, PunkShark said: Yep. You answered your own question. Wendy is very similar to Wolfgang in that they both did do their jobs very well already. So their skill tree follows within their same amount of balance. The issue that followed Wendy was that bosses and late-game enemies would crush Abi with very little work to do so, this is what the skill tree is trying to fix with the likes of alignments and new elixirs. The rest is QOL additions to the control of Abi, collection of glories and buffs to the sisturn. But base-Abi already wrecks most of enemies that are in groups throughout most of the game where her power shines the most. The entire format of Wendy is that she relies on Abigail to fight for her. at heart the duo is a fighting team and their perks are about fighting together as a team. Helping one another, Wendy supports Abi because Abi is the stronger sister of the 2. And this is why Wendy's skill tree doesn't change her attritubes to be a gatherer, forager, farmer or even changing Wendy herself because that is not what her character is all about. There is some truth in what you say, but the main problem is that the overall lack of fun in the game at the moment won't make people who don't play Wendy want to play, but Wattox, Willow, Winona, and Walter will be able to get people to play when they're done again Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161749-%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%E9%9C%80%E8%A6%81%E7%9A%84%E4%B8%8D%E6%98%AF%E4%BC%A4%E5%AE%B3%EF%BC%8C%E8%80%8C%E6%98%AF%E9%98%BF%E6%AF%94%E7%9B%96%E5%B0%94%E7%9A%84%E7%94%9F%E5%AD%98%E8%83%BD%E5%8A%9B%E5%92%8C%E4%B8%80%E7%82%B9%E7%82%B9%E4%B8%AA%E4%BA%BA%E4%BC%A4%E5%AE%B3%E5%8A%A0%E6%88%90%EF%BC%8C%E5%85%B6%E4%BD%99%E7%9A%84%E5%8F%AF%E4%BB%A5%E6%98%AF%E7%94%9F%E6%B4%BB%E4%B9%90%E8%B6%A3%E6%8A%80%E8%83%BD/#findComment-1767647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunkShark Posted December 3, 2024 Share Posted December 3, 2024 8 minutes ago, lio516 said: There is some truth in what you say, but the main problem is that the overall lack of fun in the game at the moment won't make people who don't play Wendy want to play, but Wattox, Willow, Winona, and Walter will be able to get people to play when they're done again Hmm, i think this comes to all around to preference. Wendy is by no means known as one of the most played characters for nothing She's useful, always has been. And i really don't think this is going to change. The issue with the other characters that you're mentioning is that they were lacking in a lot of places where Wendy was not. But also, skill trees have so far not stirred away from what a character's playstyle is about. But also some of the characters here didn't have a playstyle or were lacking one. While Wendy (and Wolfgang, among some others like Maxwell) did. You can obviously argue that Wendy is "boring", but there's a playstyle for everyone and not every character is gonna be a hit for all. skill trees is overall not trying to stray away from characters that already has a playstyle. all characters are bound to a certain role, certain attributes, what they'e good at and what they're not so good at. And a character will never hit all corners of what you can be useful for in-game. Cause if a character is good at everything, what's the point of multiple characters that do different things and different ways to do those things. Wendy is incredibly unique in a sense that she has a guard to protect her from the get-go, and she can buff her however she wants via elixirs. no one can do this without a high cost of smth that takes a while to get for peak perfomance. Wurt has to commit, Maxwell needs lategame magic utility and has to participate for his peak perfomance, Willow's Bernie you can't control and overall is about sanity management (Not to mention, you also have to commit to the tree if you want him to be useful) While Wendy needs none of this. At best you need to collect mourning glories and all elixirs are built with early game material like honey, stingers etc. etc. although the newest super elixirs are harder to make but those are also designed for lategame content in mind. It's okay to accept that a character you've been playing for a while is starting to get boring. But it doesn't mean they lack a different playstyle because: This is who they are. It's the same deal as playing Woodie, being a lumber-jack of all trades he hits a lot of points of utility and usefulness. But eventually those things will also start to get boring because vareity is important. Does that mean Woodie needs more? i personally don't think so at least. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161749-%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%E9%9C%80%E8%A6%81%E7%9A%84%E4%B8%8D%E6%98%AF%E4%BC%A4%E5%AE%B3%EF%BC%8C%E8%80%8C%E6%98%AF%E9%98%BF%E6%AF%94%E7%9B%96%E5%B0%94%E7%9A%84%E7%94%9F%E5%AD%98%E8%83%BD%E5%8A%9B%E5%92%8C%E4%B8%80%E7%82%B9%E7%82%B9%E4%B8%AA%E4%BA%BA%E4%BC%A4%E5%AE%B3%E5%8A%A0%E6%88%90%EF%BC%8C%E5%85%B6%E4%BD%99%E7%9A%84%E5%8F%AF%E4%BB%A5%E6%98%AF%E7%94%9F%E6%B4%BB%E4%B9%90%E8%B6%A3%E6%8A%80%E8%83%BD/#findComment-1767705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lio516 Posted December 3, 2024 Author Share Posted December 3, 2024 38 minutes ago, Fitzee said: Don't mind them, they're one of the few people here who unironically want an OP Wendy. Did I mention the need for more value increases? I'm talking about the lack of more skills to make the game fun, you can't see the title? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161749-%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%E9%9C%80%E8%A6%81%E7%9A%84%E4%B8%8D%E6%98%AF%E4%BC%A4%E5%AE%B3%EF%BC%8C%E8%80%8C%E6%98%AF%E9%98%BF%E6%AF%94%E7%9B%96%E5%B0%94%E7%9A%84%E7%94%9F%E5%AD%98%E8%83%BD%E5%8A%9B%E5%92%8C%E4%B8%80%E7%82%B9%E7%82%B9%E4%B8%AA%E4%BA%BA%E4%BC%A4%E5%AE%B3%E5%8A%A0%E6%88%90%EF%BC%8C%E5%85%B6%E4%BD%99%E7%9A%84%E5%8F%AF%E4%BB%A5%E6%98%AF%E7%94%9F%E6%B4%BB%E4%B9%90%E8%B6%A3%E6%8A%80%E8%83%BD/#findComment-1767811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lio516 Posted December 3, 2024 Author Share Posted December 3, 2024 5 minutes ago, Fitzee said: Show more respect in the future, and maybe then people will care. Maybe then they won't care, but right now, fixing a bug is so slow, stone shrimp breed, calves don't grow, calves die causing servers to crash, even players can upload mods to fix bugs, they have to wait months Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161749-%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%E9%9C%80%E8%A6%81%E7%9A%84%E4%B8%8D%E6%98%AF%E4%BC%A4%E5%AE%B3%EF%BC%8C%E8%80%8C%E6%98%AF%E9%98%BF%E6%AF%94%E7%9B%96%E5%B0%94%E7%9A%84%E7%94%9F%E5%AD%98%E8%83%BD%E5%8A%9B%E5%92%8C%E4%B8%80%E7%82%B9%E7%82%B9%E4%B8%AA%E4%BA%BA%E4%BC%A4%E5%AE%B3%E5%8A%A0%E6%88%90%EF%BC%8C%E5%85%B6%E4%BD%99%E7%9A%84%E5%8F%AF%E4%BB%A5%E6%98%AF%E7%94%9F%E6%B4%BB%E4%B9%90%E8%B6%A3%E6%8A%80%E8%83%BD/#findComment-1767822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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