Wendy players need a more interesting skill tree than another Wolfgang.

[zzzzzzzzzzz]

我们没有要求温蒂的技能树，数值方面需要多高，这是个生存游戏，不是竞技游戏，不需要那么多的平衡，有趣的技能树会提升角色的可玩度。

解决温蒂痛点，并且需要一份不敷衍的技能树！

温蒂技能树我们没有一味去指责，反而大家绞尽脑汁的在想如何去优化，把我们真实的想法表达给klei，我们在为了我们喜欢的角色做出努力，有的人只会在这里指责你这不对那不对，如果你没办法给出很好的建议，就别在这里表达你的其它意见的。

[Peasant]

1 hour ago, RexySeven said:

These threats were anything but subtle tbh.
From saying that Klei needing to fire developers, completely rework skill tree and endorsing monetary boycott over this update.

Excuse me, but that only makes Chinese side of DST community seem like an entitled spoiled child that throws tantrum over most basic inconveniences. Using these threats to enforce change to games is very unhealthy for both devs and the community alike with the added danger of this method becoming a norm in the future.

I know there's a lot of people who dissatisfied with the skill tree but this is simply ridiculous. I yet to understand what is wrong with her skill tree because it's completely in-line with other official rather plain skill trees filled with straight buffs with no cost, QoL and random features. 

Firstly, the fellow who said klei should fire developers had signed for his account long ago, simply reckoning they as a chinese player because the post seems to rather hasty.

Second, I can't figure out why people treat claims like "we'll stop buying " as a threat. Players are customers, it's their right to choose whether they'll pay or not. If they are satisfied, naturally they'll give their money to the producers. If they are not, well, it's their right to put money back into their wallet. I imagine it more of a "warning" than "threat", for if people stops buying the fancy victorian packs eventually it's klei who's interest is harmed, not the players. The people telling this to klei is because they still want klei to turn better so that they can continue to let klei take their money away.

And another thing, Chinese side of DST community Do make good suggestions, you can see many of them in this very forum. Simply refering the Whole of Chinese side of DST community as "an entitled spoiled child blah blah blah" and then use this as a reason of rejecting other opinions doesn't benefit anyone.

As for the skilltree, the first version was a disaster, the second version made Wendy Wenlfgang and Abigail solo bosses.

[RexySeven]

9 minutes ago, YXukun said:

Firstly, the fellow who said klei should fire developers had signed for his account long ago, simply reckoning they as a chinese player because the post seems to rather hasty.

Second, I can't figure out why people treat claims like "we'll stop buying " as a threat. Players are customers, it's their right to choose whether they'll pay or not. If they are satisfied, naturally they'll give their money to the producers. If they are not, well, it's their right to put money back into their wallet. I imagine it more of a "warning" than "threat", for if people stops buying the fancy victorian packs eventually it's klei who's interest is harmed, not the players. The people telling this to klei is because they still want klei to turn better so that they can continue to let klei take their money away.

And another thing, Chinese side of DST community Do make good suggestions, you can see many of them in this very forum. Simply refering the Whole of Chinese side of DST community as "an entitled spoiled child blah blah blah" and then use this as a reason of rejecting other opinions doesn't benefit anyone.

As for the skilltree, the first version was a disaster, the second version made Wendy Wenlfgang and Abigail solo bosses.

I don't understand what you meant in the first sentence.

I'm not rejecting, this conversation started because I was sick of people elevating their opinion above others because they spend money on the game.
Stop buying skins personally is not a threat but going on forums and stating they will gather people to boycott is a threat, imagine if with each update people start doing it to enforce their idea of balance on the devs instead of suggesting - that is some abusive relationships right here. 

Also someone please enlighten me how a perfectly fine character prior to skill tree got somehow so disastrously ruined by a panel of optional buffs that it caused people to obliterate official forums?
 

[Peasant]

2 minutes ago, RexySeven said:

I don't understand what you meant in the first sentence.

Well, there's only one post saying that klei should "hire some real designers" as I recall, and the fellow who posted it registered his forum account long ago, yet many believe that the fellow was one of the chinese players who "only come to the forum because of Wendy". The moment I saw you mentioning "fire developers" I assumed you were one of the people who believed that this fellow was a chinese player.

[RexySeven]

9 minutes ago, YXukun said:

Well, there's only one post saying that klei should "hire some real designers" as I recall, and the fellow who posted it registered his forum account long ago, yet many believe that the fellow was one of the chinese players who "only come to the forum because of Wendy". The moment I saw you mentioning "fire developers" I assumed you were one of the people who believed that this fellow was a chinese player.

I mean, aren't they Chinese? They were around for long and hanging around Chinese coders such as being the part of Above the Clouds mod.

[Peasant]

28 minutes ago, RexySeven said:

I'm not rejecting, this conversation started because I was sick of people elevating their opinion above others because they spend money on the game.
Stop buying skins personally is not a threat but going on forums and stating they will gather people to boycott is a threat, imagine if with each update people start doing it to enforce their idea of balance on the devs instead of suggesting - that is some abusive relationships right here. 

Well, this could be another thing I've been explaining. When people say value their opinion more, they don't mean that "more than others", but rather "more than before", for klei do lack the conduit to communicate with chinese community before. Though I'm not quite sure if you mean people actually been saying "klei should value our opinions more than others", which is different.

As for "boycott", I think the logic behind it it's more like…strike, people are unsatisfied with current circumstance, so they desided to gather and do something that maybe would make their desire known by the ones in charge. The reason behind this I reckon is the lack of conduit to communicate with the ones in charge. So basically if klei could provide better conduit for chinese players to feedback, I imagine these would be solved itself.

[Sacco]

3 hours ago, Fitzee said:

@Sacco used to be just a chill guy, until the stupidity of the forums worn his patience thin, to the point where he has little to no tolerance for people's antics.

Can't say i blame him.

I don't think in this post i was rude.

In others some people attacked me, so i lost my temper...

[arubaro]

3 hours ago, RexySeven said:

These threats were anything but subtle tbh.
From saying that Klei needing to fire developers, completely rework skill tree and endorsing monetary boycott over this update.

Excuse me, but that only makes Chinese side of DST community seem like an entitled spoiled child that throws tantrum over most basic inconveniences. Using these threats to enforce change to games is very unhealthy for both devs and the community alike with the added danger of this method becoming a norm in the future.

I know there's a lot of people who dissatisfied with the skill tree but this is simply ridiculous. I yet to understand what is wrong with her skill tree because it's completely in-line with other official rather plain skill trees filled with straight buffs with no cost, QoL and random features. 

Is one of the skill trees with more powercreep added but it doesnt make abigail inmortal

Just see how they arent comming like flies with the unbalance of gestal abigail in the same way they came when the 1st iteration of the tree wasnt powerful 

[RexySeven]

7 minutes ago, arubaro said:

Is one of the skill trees with more powercreep added but it doesnt make abigail inmortal

Just see how they arent comming like flies with the unbalance of gestal abigail in the same way they came when the 1st iteration of the tree wasnt powerful 

This is indeed very convenient that nobody complains about Abigail now being able to kill bosses while you just stand around afk'ing.

[Peasant]

57 minutes ago, RexySeven said:

Also someone please enlighten me how a perfectly fine character prior to skill tree got somehow so disastrously ruined by a panel of optional buffs that it caused people to obliterate official forums?

As I said, the first version was a disaster. Can you imagine they offered a perk that allows you to turn 4 dark petals and 1 mourning glory into 4 normal petals?

Besides that, there was also a cloth which took 20 dark petals to craft and makes Abigail take all the damage Wendy receives, making the vulnerable Abigail even more vulnerbale, especially against aoe bosses. Other stuff also looked like fillers, like the potion line which makes potions that already lasts 1 day lasts longer, and didn't provide a potion container.

The problem with current skilltree on the other hand is that it did nothing other than putting some big numbers to Abigail. Gestalt Abigail can solo bosses, while Shadow Abigail makes Wendy deal more damage than Wolfgang to pre-rift enemies. And both didn't provide any planar damage to fight post rift bosses.

10 minutes ago, RexySeven said:

This is indeed very convenient that nobody complains about Abigail now being able to kill bosses while you just stand around afk'ing.

There are posts that saying "Wendy players need more qol changes, not another Wolfgang", and players agree with them too. So I wonder how did you come to this "nobody complains" conclusion?

Hell, even the title of this very post itself is "Wendy players need a more interesting skill tree than another Wolfgang"…

[arubaro]

3 hours ago, RexySeven said:

These threats were anything but subtle tbh.
From saying that Klei needing to fire developers, completely rework skill tree and endorsing monetary boycott over this update.

Excuse me, but that only makes Chinese side of DST community seem like an entitled spoiled child that throws tantrum over most basic inconveniences. Using these threats to enforce change to games is very unhealthy for both devs and the community alike with the added danger of this method becoming a norm in the future.

I know there's a lot of people who dissatisfied with the skill tree but this is simply ridiculous. I yet to understand what is wrong with her skill tree because it's completely in-line with other official rather plain skill trees filled with straight buffs with no cost, QoL and random features. 

Is one of the skill trees with more powercreep added but it doesnt make abigail inmortal

Just see how they arent comming like flies with the unbalance of gestal abigail in the same way they came when the 1st iteration of the tree wasnt powerful 

[cyjs]

49 minutes ago, arubaro said:

Is one of the skill trees with more powercreep added but it doesnt make abigail inmortal

Just see how they arent comming like flies with the unbalance of gestal abigail in the same way they came when the 1st iteration of the tree wasnt powerful 

This description fits you perfectly. Mr. Arubaro’s silly voice will appear under each of Wendy’s posts. You also give silly likes, I should applaud you

 

[JoeW]