Wendy Skill Tree Poll (Post Dev Stream)

[WenericMember]

With another batch of changes comes another poll on the state of the skill tree.

This one's focused exclusively on Wendy, as the cap on questions makes it harder to do an in depth poll.

Clarifications for the questions:

1. State of the tree - will you be satisfied if it launched in the state of the most recently announced changes (aka dev stream)?
2. New Perks - In the beta stream, it was announced there would be a few additional perks to replace the Dark Petals line, what should they focus on?
3. Graves Skills - as a result of the removal of the dark petals line, one of the main new uses for dark petals has been removed, does the line as a whole retain sufficient value for 3 skills?
4. Changes - which skill lines are satisfactory in their current form?
5. Direction - If the types of changes to the tree remains consistent till the end of Beta, do you think you'll be satisfied with the final tree?

[Copyafriend]

1 minute ago, WenericMember said:

With another batch of changes comes another poll on the state of the skill tree.

did i miss a stream?

[WenericMember]

Just now, Copyafriend said:

did i miss a stream?

There was one about ~22 hours ago.

 

Pretty much everything is here

[Mysterious box]

Considering the update should be dropping in a few hours probably should wait until then for the poll

I only say this since I don't think a lot of people saw it.

[Dingle]

Could use some extra skills. I picked Utility, but hard to say. My second choice probably would have been flavor.

I actually liked that idea I saw of a perk line whose capstone would be that Wendy got some effect when Abigail was buffed by a potion. Like the honey potion also gave Wendy a slight speed bonus when it was up.

[Copyafriend]

4 minutes ago, WenericMember said:

There was one about ~22 hours ago.

okay so I didn't miss it, this guy is just late, I saw that they were gonna release it today, so I was just confused by the "post dev stream" thread lol

[WenericMember]

4 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Considering the update should be dropping in a few hours probably should wait until then for the poll

But time zones... besides, they said not all of the changes on the stream will be implemented in the Beta.

I probably could have waited a bit tho.

1 minute ago, Copyafriend said:

okay so I didn't miss it, this guy is just late, I saw that they were gonna release it today, so I was just confused by the "post dev stream" thread lol

Yeah, sorry I kinda wanted to make it sooner, but Time zones meant I was busy being unconscious lol.

[Mysterious box]

3 minutes ago, WenericMember said:

But time zones... besides, they said not all of the changes on the stream will be implemented in the Beta.

I probably could have waited a bit tho.

Yeah, sorry I kinda wanted to make it sooner, but Time zones meant I was busy being unconscious lol.

Oh I didn't realize thanks

[Evelo]

Most of the options don't have an "It is acceptable in the current state" option (referring to the stream's changes to the skills).

Speaking of isn't there suppose to be an update today? Wonder when that drops, Looking forward to trying out the changes.

[WenericMember]

2 minutes ago, Evelo said:

Most of the options don't have an "It is acceptable in the current state" option (referring to the stream's changes to the skills).

Speaking of isn't there suppose to be an update today? Wonder when that drops, Looking forward to trying out the changes.

oop added it for Q4. "has done all its needed to" is the intended as that option for Q5

[Evelo]

Well "it has done nothing" is a good thing imo which is doing all it needed to do. Not all of her weaknesses need to be addressed. Weakness is a unique thing and is good for some characters to have so they have something to overcome.

[Mike23Ua]

Wendy now has a skill to “Hitch” Abigail to the Sisturn like you hitch Beefalo to the dress up contest pole.

Is anyone not seeing the problem with this?? Willow without Bernie still has her lighter and Fire mage powers.

Wendy Without Abigail is a worse version of Wes with no joke NOTHING.

Am I supposed to wait around in base till Abby rests up? Maybe I’m meant to hire the ghosts in the world while Abby’s resting.. I honestly don’t know…

Abigail is Wendy’s Damage, Abigail is Wendy’s Light Source (it sucks compared to other characters but it’s a uhhh “thing” I guess?) Wendy needs Abby with her to perform the new “Haunt” tasks.

Theres ZERO here that makes me ever want to wait around with Abby hitched to the Sisturn.

[WenericMember]

1 minute ago, Evelo said:

Well "it has done nothing" is a good thing imo which is doing all it needed to do. Not all of her weaknesses need to be addressed. Weakness is a unique thing and is good for some characters to have so they have something to overcome.

I did specify issues, not flaws for that reason. Issues such as playstyle diversity, skill curve,  QOL, etc.

[Dingle]

25 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Wendy now has a skill to “Hitch” Abigail to the Sisturn like you hitch Beefalo to the dress up contest pole.

Is anyone not seeing the problem with this?? Willow without Bernie still has her lighter and Fire mage powers.

Wendy Without Abigail is a worse version of Wes with no joke NOTHING.

Am I supposed to wait around in base till Abby rests up? Maybe I’m meant to hire the ghosts in the world while Abby’s resting.. I honestly don’t know…

Abigail is Wendy’s Damage, Abigail is Wendy’s Light Source (it sucks compared to other characters but it’s a uhhh “thing” I guess?) Wendy needs Abby with her to perform the new “Haunt” tasks.

Theres ZERO here that makes me ever want to wait around with Abby hitched to the Sisturn.

Cooking and base stuff breaks maybe?

[Nikki Darks]

30 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Wendy now has a skill to “Hitch” Abigail to the Sisturn like you hitch Beefalo to the dress up contest pole.

Is anyone not seeing the problem with this?? Willow without Bernie still has her lighter and Fire mage powers.

Wendy Without Abigail is a worse version of Wes with no joke NOTHING.

Am I supposed to wait around in base till Abby rests up? Maybe I’m meant to hire the ghosts in the world while Abby’s resting.. I honestly don’t know…

Abigail is Wendy’s Damage, Abigail is Wendy’s Light Source (it sucks compared to other characters but it’s a uhhh “thing” I guess?) Wendy needs Abby with her to perform the new “Haunt” tasks.

Theres ZERO here that makes me ever want to wait around with Abby hitched to the Sisturn.

Except you could focus on gathering mourning glory or setting up more graves for a mob farm while you wait... Did you even check out her new skills dude...?

 

[erick was right]

I wish there were more options to spend morning glory like giving it to pig king for gold amd that they will add something equally strong to sharing armor/Abigail tanking damage for Wendy.

I think we won't get removed useless team-ghost-yaba-daba-doo or getting handicapped by leaving Abi on sisturn.- the only thing that would make me use it is if would boost her damage, not health or would increase haunt%succesrate while having overcapped HP or other buffs. Or using 2 potions at the same time if Abigail has overcapped HP.

I hope they will add some more stuff to haunt mechanic - it has potential.

[Mike23Ua]

23 minutes ago, Nikki Darks said:

Except you could focus on gathering mourning glory or setting up more graves for a mob farm while you wait... Did you even check out her new skills dude...?

 

Sure I guess I COULD do that, but if hounds attacked or a tree I chopped for resources became a Treeguardian or if any other random scenario was to happen when I’m without Abigail- I’m playing as a Worse version of Wes.

Sorry but I’m not going to go do lost Pipspook toy quests if Abby is resting at a Sisturn and said Pipspook quest wants me to take a casual stroll through an infestation of Spiders.

Can you please just let me try to argue my points to the dev team? It’s this “Wendy’s Op” or “she’s fine as is” mindset that’s holding her back with the mediocre and poorly received skill tree.

[Copyafriend]

10 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Sorry but I’m not going to go do lost Pipspook toy quests if Abby is resting at a Sisturn and said Pipspook quest wants me to take a casual stroll through an infestation of Spiders.

Why arent you using the pipspookes coming from graves you relocated to your completely safe base

-this is a nothing complaint you're getting something for nothing, leave abigail for a couple minutes and she has double health-

11 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Can you please just let me try to argue my points to the dev team? It’s this “Wendy’s Op” or “she’s fine as is” mindset that’s holding her back with the mediocre and poorly received skill tree.

Absolutely not? Let us argue our points to the dev team. Its this "my opinion is more important than yours" mindset thats holding discussions back with mediocre and poorly thought out objections

[arubaro]

18 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Can you please just let me try to argue my points to the dev team? It’s this “Wendy’s Op” or “she’s fine as is” mindset that’s holding her back with the mediocre and poorly received skill tree.

Remeber this is a forum. Dont talk if you dont want to be disproved or adviced

[Uedo]

So, to be completely honest, after seeing a post reminding me of how many interactions haunting has I think i'm alright with everything.

I think the elixir basket is a bit too generous, but that's alright. 

My only issue and I can't pin-point it is the shadow tree abigail, I feel it should give a shadow equivalent to the gestalt form, not sure what it would do but that would resolve an itch in my brain. 

Other than that I think it's really nice when you take into account all of the interactions haunt has, it makes up for the less impactful skills in my opinion.

Well done Klei!

1 hour ago, Mike23Ua said:

Wendy now has a skill to “Hitch” Abigail to the Sisturn like you hitch Beefalo to the dress up contest pole.

Is anyone not seeing the problem with this?? Willow without Bernie still has her lighter and Fire mage powers.

Wendy Without Abigail is a worse version of Wes with no joke NOTHING.

Am I supposed to wait around in base till Abby rests up? Maybe I’m meant to hire the ghosts in the world while Abby’s resting.. I honestly don’t know…

Abigail is Wendy’s Damage, Abigail is Wendy’s Light Source (it sucks compared to other characters but it’s a uhhh “thing” I guess?) Wendy needs Abby with her to perform the new “Haunt” tasks.

Theres ZERO here that makes me ever want to wait around with Abby hitched to the Sisturn.

You argued for a long time that you were not someone who relied on Abigail after people pointed out that you were and that's why you were having trouble with bosses. 

It makes sense so you can be doing base-stuff and getting a little boost before you head back out, I thought you wanted downsides?

 

[purelove]

Oh, my God, you took the vote count while most of us were asleep?

[WenericMember]

I suspect they don't want to give Abigail a human form because it would "complete" Wendy's goals in a sense, much like how charlie and Winona never truly get to interact despite them both kinda wanting to.

I just hope they giver her some sort of progression to show that while she's getting closer to reviving abigail.

[Argwarn]

19 minutes ago, Fitzee said:

Don't want to make a whole topic for a question, so I'll just ask it here: does anyone know how much the shadow elixir increases vex damage by?

It is huge like 40% over its original.

At least from what Klei said on stream

[purelove]

In fact, this is no longer a skill tree that can mask the eyes and pretend that most people are satisfied with it.

If Wendy does not change the mechanics, she will be enhanced in the current mode, and she can hardly reach most of the combat characters, and even Willow, a non-combat role, has 1.25 times the damage to ignited monsters, and more than 2000 blood flesh shield.

In fact, Wendy, even though most people now think that it has worked, it has only changed the skill tree from 0.2 to 0.4, which is still a long way from the normal role of 1.

Now I am going to go on a long trip, when 1 day is over, I will do the message processing

[usagiP]

I don't know what opinion I should hold, as it seems the developers want me to step away from this beginner character and switch to anothers.

Perhaps a considerable number of Wendy players are troubled by this :3

I often play on servers with around 10 people.

If you choose Wendy, all you can do is lounge around or do some logistical work:(((((Or just dance to show beautiful skinXD

The reason is simple: Wendy has no skills other than killing small animals. She cannot assist other players, such as speeding them up or providing them with armor.

Her only specialty is combat ……But her combat ability is also not high, which makes her role in multiplayer games still quite limited.

However, it seems that the new content has not solved my problem at all; instead, switching characters can quickly resolve it

I see that the developers have made some necessary optimizations, but I am still quite confused. What will happen to me in multiplayer games in the future? Will I still be idle? I anxiously look forward to it.

supplement:I’m tired of doing logistics or just standing there picking petals. That’s my situation, but I’m not someone who easily changes characters.So maybe this is a punishment for me.haha

36 minutes ago, purelove said:

In fact, this is no longer a skill tree that can mask the eyes and pretend that most people are satisfied with it.

XDDD

In fact, many people are satisfied(relatively speaking~you know~:D), except for those who have long known that her abilities are very weak, yet still play this character and have developed various ways to prevent her from becoming Wes.

But these efforts make others think Wendy is strong enough and doesn't need to get any stronger... it's so ironic

(((However, let me reiterate my point: I just need something that can be useful in multiplayer games, as long as it keeps me engaged.