Too much focus on Wendy??

[Ruperstiltskin]

I just feel that this forums basicly made Klei focus just on wendy since wortox and walter barely got anything changed, not to talk about how walter doesnt even have his full skill tree even done but i guess wendy needs all the focus and the rest can eat the scraps? Wortox was good already but there were things to finish and with just 2 perks to change and the naughty/nice mechanic, they barely done anything.

Now i wanna make myself clear, im not blaming Klei in any form, they are doing an amazing job, im just mad that all the attention was on 1 singular character cause it was more popular and i feel that walter suffered from this the most. The new changes are good and i like where its going, but the thing is all of Klei time is getting used on wendy when she was in a better spot than walter skill tree in my opinion.

Walter my boy, i hope you get half the skill tree you are missing since we can hopefully move on from wendy now

[WenericMember]

4 minutes ago, Ruperstiltskin said:

I just feel that this forums basicly made Klei focus just on wendy since wortox and walter barely got anything changed, not to talk about how walter doesnt even have his full skill tree even done but i guess wendy needs all the focus and the rest can eat the scraps? Wortox was good already but there were things to finish and with just 2 perks to change and the naughty/nice mechanic, they barely done anything.

Now i wanna make myself clear, im not blaming Klei in any form, they are doing an amazing job, im just mad that all the attention was on 1 singular character cause it was more popular and i feel that walter suffered from this the most. The new changes are good and i like where its going, but the thing is all of Klei time is getting used on wendy when she was in a better spot than walter skill tree in my opinion.

Walter my boy, i hope you get half the skill tree you are missing since we can hopefully move on from wendy now

Walter's getting almost as many changes as Wendy, but just not fundamentally changing the skills. Pretty much all of his tree will be altered from the start of Beta.

Wortox's tree is generally considered good afaik, so there isn't much TO change.

Wendy's getting conversation because she's popular, yes, but also because her tree is in a vary precarious position between the other two.

[Ruperstiltskin]

2 minutes ago, WenericMember said:

Walter's getting almost as many changes as Wendy, but just not fundamentally changing the skills. Pretty much all of his tree will be altered from the start of Beta.

Wortox's tree is generally considered good afaik, so there isn't much TO change.

Wendy's getting conversation because she's popular, yes, but also because her tree is in a vary precarious position between the other two.

From the stream all i got was that walter barely got numbers changes and thats it, wendy got her still tree moved, new skills, changed skills, number changes and more attention

[Soul7k]

3 minutes ago, Ruperstiltskin said:

From the stream all i got was that walter barely got numbers changes and thats it, wendy got her still tree moved, new skills, changed skills, number changes and more attention

he's getting new crafts for his sling to spread out the progression and utility, his alignments are getting extra shots and I believe counting as 2 of the 4 perks for the pro perks, and they are smoothing out training the beefalo. I get it tho 8 points in his skill tree are all extra shots and maybe some of them could have been bundled to make room for more perks like something camping focused/etc.

[purelove]

In effect, you're deflecting the conflict by attributing the reason wortox and walter didn't get the right abilities to Wendy's players.

Wendy players never emphasize that everyone else is strong and therefore must become as weak as Wendy, but want Wendy to be as strong.

The real reason is that a bunch of players who don't play Wendy don't want Wendy to get a good makeover and tout the small advantages and ignore the big disadvantages, while the Wendy players are just arguing with these people and are never the enemy of wortox and walter players, you are most likely just trying to get other players to attack the Wendy players

[Demigardenerner]

15 minutes ago, Ruperstiltskin said:

I just feel that this forums basicly made Klei focus just on wendy since wortox and walter barely got anything changed, not to talk about how walter doesnt even have his full skill tree even done but i guess wendy needs all the focus and the rest can eat the scraps? Wortox was good already but there were things to finish and with just 2 perks to change and the naughty/nice mechanic, they barely done anything.

Now i wanna make myself clear, im not blaming Klei in any form, they are doing an amazing job, im just mad that all the attention was on 1 singular character cause it was more popular and i feel that walter suffered from this the most. The new changes are good and i like where its going, but the thing is all of Klei time is getting used on wendy when she was in a better spot than walter skill tree in my opinion.

Walter my boy, i hope you get half the skill tree you are missing since we can hopefully move on from wendy now

Also not many people play Walter and definitely not to the same extent as the many many Wendy players.and most of the beta forum was people talking about Wendy skill tree and strength and weakness and stuff along those lines while not much been shared in terms out complaints about his skill tree so other then numbers nothing been.the best way to get something changed his to make a lot of people talk about which the Walter players just couldn’t muster up sadly

[Ruperstiltskin]

8 minutes ago, Demigardenerner said:

Also not many people play Walter and definitely not to the same extent as the many many Wendy players.and most of the beta forum was people talking about Wendy skill tree and strength and weakness and stuff along those lines while not much been shared in terms out complaints about his skill tree so other then numbers nothing been.the best way to get something changed his to make a lot of people talk about which the Walter players just couldn’t muster up sadly

The thing is, as things went with some other skill trees, popularity increased AFTER the skill tree, check woody, wormwood, willow, winona, and now probably wortox. Wendy already got her fanbase, and people maybe dont play walter cause he needed the skill tree real bad, but they could have done a great job and revive the character popularity just like its gonna happen with wortox cause its so good to play him now. My point is exactly that, that you shouldnt base you time in developing characters based on their popularity since they all have the oportunity to become popular :C

9 minutes ago, purelove said:

The real reason is that a bunch of players who don't play Wendy don't want Wendy to get a good makeover and tout the small advantages and ignore the big disadvantages, while the Wendy players are just arguing with these people and are never the enemy of wortox and walter players, you are most likely just trying to get other players to attack the Wendy players

That was never my itention, but as i said i really feel that popularity shouldnt be a factor to how much love the character gets on their skill trees

[purelove]

Wendy Players don't discuss wortox and walter not because we are satisfied or think they are good, but because we are not their audience and operators, we don't know the needs of their actual users, and if we are equally concerned about their skill tree, we will mistakenly exaggerate their advantages and ignore their disadvantages.

 But if it's Wigfrid, because it's been around for a long time, and I can also see feedback from Wigfrid players, she may need to change the damage after taming the cow to, the damage of the cow plus the damage of the weapon in the hand, so that the tamed cow gets better, not worse, and if the damage is deemed too high it gets 1.25 times less damage.  

Or put a patch, because the operation of the cow at the same time, so the damage can not be fully played, so that the body damage added to 0.75 plus cow damage

We don't talk about it just because we're not in a position to tell them what to do. If it is to discuss WX-78, I will speak enthusiastically, after the release of the skill tree WX-78's advantages will be covered by Woody, even if Woody's skill tree is very good, I think I will care about and discuss the WX-78 skill book at that time

[Demigardenerner]

4 minutes ago, Ruperstiltskin said:

The thing is, as things went with some other skill trees, popularity increased AFTER the skill tree, check woody, wormwood, willow, winona, and now probably wortox. Wendy already got her fanbase, and people maybe dont play walter cause he needed the skill tree real bad, but they could have done a great job and revive the character popularity just like its gonna happen with wortox cause its so good to play him now. My point is exactly that, that you should base you time in developing characters based on their popularity since they all have the oportunity to become popular :C

Yea it would’ve been nice if Walter got some the Winona treatment and got some really cool abilities to make people wanna play him.i guess something cool would be a scout master branch which allow him to give badges to players for specific growing over time buffs based on Walter or even campfire story skills something unique and cool.

[LitulLola]

Why don't you state what U'd like to see changed or added as a Walter main. They are looking for feedback, but not too many play him so not many ppl have anything constructive to say. I dont play him so i wouldnt even know where to start. Unlike Wendy who have plenty of players to chime in. I don't think they are ignoring him just changing as feedback comes in. Hope it works out for you!

[WenericMember]

20 minutes ago, Ruperstiltskin said:

From the stream all i got was that walter barely got numbers changes and thats it, wendy got her still tree moved, new skills, changed skills, number changes and more attention

• Woby's skills have been confirmed to be getting edded
• Rounds can be prototyped
• Slingshot mod kit will work while mounted
• Splitting the Scrappy fram into a pre and post rift version
• Gunpowder ammo reworks

Are all non statistical changes. It's a similar amount to the Wendy's, except its smaller changes around balancing rather than new stuff.

[Ruperstiltskin]

2 minutes ago, LitulLola said:

Why don't you state what U'd like to see changed or added as a Walter main. They are looking for feedback, but not too many play him so not many ppl have anything constructive to say. Unlike Wendy who have plenty of players to chime in. I don't think they are ignoring him just changing as feedback comes in. Hope it works out for you!

Im personally trying to advocate to both Walter and wortox to some degrees in some other post people have made giving my thoughts :=

[purelove]

17 minutes ago, Ruperstiltskin said:

The thing is, as things went with some other skill trees, popularity increased AFTER the skill tree, check woody, wormwood, willow, winona, and now probably wortox. Wendy already got her fanbase, and people maybe dont play walter cause he needed the skill tree real bad, but they could have done a great job and revive the character popularity just like its gonna happen with wortox cause its so good to play him now. My point is exactly that, that you should base you time in developing characters based on their popularity since they all have the oportunity to become popular :C

That was never my itention, but as i said i really feel that popularity shouldnt be a factor to how much love the character gets on their skill trees

Wendy players are not indifferent to wortox and walter, but respect, and respect keeps us silent without even knowing it.  

Keep quiet while wortox and walter prepare to introduce changes to the game.  

I will neither belittle them nor praise them.  

For Wendy's comparison, I'll use the example of a character who is more powerful than Wendy in all aspects, or a character whose skill tree is already online and doesn't need to be strained.  

It won't hurt wortox or walter

[Ruperstiltskin]

3 minutes ago, purelove said:

Wendy players are not indifferent to wortox and walter, but respect, and respect keeps us silent without even knowing it.  

This is my last answer cause im not here to argue as that get us nowhere, but im not indifferent about wendy either, i want her to have a good skill tree too, but not to the point of it costing others characters skill trees. I dont care if shes stronger or weaker or whatever, i mained walter for a long time being a weak character and i had fun even if he wasnt even strong. My point is again, that i would love the 3 skill trees getting the same attention and not 1 over the other 2 even when 1 of these 2 is already in good conditions

[Arcwell]

52 minutes ago, Ruperstiltskin said:

im just mad that all the attention was on 1 singular character cause it was more popular and i feel that walter suffered from this the most

This is just my take, but I feel like this is an inevitable and unfortunate consequence of how recent updates have been structured (having multiple focuses while relying on community feedback for each).

I felt this way for the Wurt/Winona/CK update at least. I'm still upset over how many bugs reworked Crab King has now.

[Dingle]

The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

[Sacco]

1 hour ago, purelove said:

In effect, you're deflecting the conflict by attributing the reason wortox and walter didn't get the right abilities to Wendy's players.

Wendy players never emphasize that everyone else is strong and therefore must become as weak as Wendy, but want Wendy to be as strong.

The real reason is that a bunch of players who don't play Wendy don't want Wendy to get a good makeover and tout the small advantages and ignore the big disadvantages, while the Wendy players are just arguing with these people and are never the enemy of wortox and walter players, you are most likely just trying to get other players to attack the Wendy players

In other words, i just want things i like to get fixed, the other things may also got to sh**

[Lee Sy]

Infact, Wendy is the most chosen character and the share even reached 50%.

It's natural that there're more voices about Wendy. After all, Wendy indeed had more useless skills.

[Cassielu]

I played Walter for a week when Walter was first added to the game, then left this character and never went back. To be honest, I think he doesn't have any strength or potential in anyway, and for a long time I thought that just remove him would be the most responsible thing to do for this character.

About his skilltree where he need buff or where he doesn't, I really don't even know what to expect.

The only valid feedback I can give is that my impression to Walter with his new skilltree is amost the same with 3 years ago -- totally not worth playing. And that doesn't have constructive to how to improve Walter. So I just shut up and let the player who knows Walter better do it.

[Littlefat1213]

actually i feel a little bit boring when you pick walter and all you need is keeping the distance from the mobs and shooting, and he shoot kind of slowly until activate the skilltree. Wendy is the character that many beginner players prefer and one of her shortcoming is that abigail is too easy to take the AOE damage from the epic boss. i would be much comfortable if abigail can get a way to absorb the damage that has great number in one shot. As for Wortox, his skilltree is prefect.

[AliceShiki]

... Didn't the devs say not enough people were playing Walter, so they didn't have enough data to work with to change things?

Pretty sure they said that on the stream, so... Yeah, that.

[luvu2bits]

wendys was one of the ones i was least excited about since she was already in a pretty fine state, unlike wortox who was previously just a little boring and walter whos struggled to find a meaningful place among the cast (getting as little play as wes...)
but regardless of that, wendy's always been one of if not the most widely popular character even long before she got refreshed, so it makes sense a lot of people are going to be very focused on what she gets, and why klei has so much to work with in terms of player feedback 

[Mike23Ua]

9 hours ago, Demigardenerner said:

Also not many people play Walter and definitely not to the same extent as the many many Wendy players.and most of the beta forum was people talking about Wendy skill tree and strength and weakness and stuff along those lines while not much been shared in terms out complaints about his skill tree so other then numbers nothing been.the best way to get something changed his to make a lot of people talk about which the Walter players just couldn’t muster up sadly

This is true, look I’m just going to say it: I’d rather play as Maxwell or Wes over picking Walter, his skill tree is all over the place… and Ranged ANYTHING as your main combat focus on Xbox is well it’s bad.. it’s really bad… I don’t know if Klei ever made any big changes to Walter but when I played him he had to stand still and act as sort of like a stationary turret in order to use his ONE defining combat perk (the slingshot)

Watching the Skilltree video seems they doubled down on Slingshot buffs and skills but Walters actual character exists as so much more beyond just being the slingshot character..

For me personally I’m far more interested in the cool perks Woby will be getting (watching her dig up steel wool on the stream was really cute!) But outside of the slingshot modifications and the QoL to Ammo rounds Walters skill tree still makes him look boring AF to play as.

Now as usual I can make suggestions… but there’s a extremely high likelihood my suggestions will seem far to weird or over powered to ever be realistically considered.

Heres a TL:DR version of that idea though, Walter is a Boyscout who has learned a LARGE Variety of different survival skills… Wurt has a skill tree perk so that any players nearby to her gains her speed boost to run through marshturf it would make ME personally pick to play as Walter if players that are near to him when they “Die” instead of becoming a ghost they enter a DBNO status (yeah yeah Fortnite, gears of war etc…) 

Only players who are near the Walter get this effect, Walter has a limited time to run over to or maybe issue a ranged command to Woby to rush over to the downed player and use a medical kit in Wobys necklace to revive the player before they become a Ghost.

Hilariously this also counters Wendys new “Vengeful Spirit” perk but… you wanted a cool suggestion for a less boring Walter, that’s the best I could come up with that wasn’t related to boring slingshot mods and ammo changes.

[Echsrick]

i still think its not fair, like i feel like alot of these voices from wendy alsol seem to come from people that dont appear realy much on the forums, not saying they have nothing worth saying i just think new comers or otherwise people not saying much on the forum may not be the best source to listen to for suggestions then people that appear on the forum more often, in a way its like they shown experince of how long they were here, while someone with 1 text only may just be a new player who knows....its complicated

[Jason]

In the office all three characters have the same attention. Different people are working on them. We confer with each other about them, but the actual work is divided.