I would turn to Wortox from Wendy

[Steorra]

For skill tree, Wortox one give a good answer at "how to deal with the downside", Also Wortox skill tree is far more exquisite than Wendy (I mean on concept side).

Wendy skill tree is still weird and broken (in concept. at least worse than Wortox)

 

It obviously not everyone know how to master Wendy in endgame, when this happens to designer, thing goes worse.

Also there's an obviously double standard about "Should we have ability to deal with character downside" between Wortox and Wendy skill trees.

[ZeRoboButler]

okay, perhaps the devstream was something some people missed, but they just said that they are looking at ways to improve wendy with player input on the forums in mind. 

For everyone's sake, please try to think of solutions to the issues you see with wendy, If you think there are endgame issues with wendy, mention them. If you are just going to complain about another character, it's probably going to be ignored. 

I only say this because I'm certain people who come to the forums can come up with good ideas, but so many are focused on complaining, offering nothing to the discussion beyond "no sir, I don't like it... not at all." (or bickering among one another)

The devs already said they are aware that wendy needs changes, they have changes planned, and they are testing certain things to see if they worth keeping or changing. 

A new tree is going to come out tomorrow, please play around with it if you can, and offer some real feedback so the devs having something that is usable. 

If someone is looking to improve a recipe, you have to tell them whats wrong with it, rather than saying "it's bad", it's simply too vague or not constructive. 

[Y0sH]

42 minutes ago, Steorra said:

Also there's an obviously double standard about "Should we have ability to deal with character downside" between Wortox and Wendy skill trees.

Are you still upset because I told you that EVERY character doesn't need an AOE move natively just because other characters do and it makes an optional enemy (Rictus) easier to reveal? So you continue to complain about Wendy not being the "End All Be All" survivor? We get it, you're one of those "This survivor has this Perk so Wendy MUST have an equivalent to it!" People. Please add more constructive criticism and positive feedback in these forums instead of constantly whining that your favorite character doesn't have God Mode and every ability. 

[Steorra]

5 minutes ago, Y0sH said:

Are you still upset because I told you that EVERY character doesn't need an AOE move natively just because other characters do and it makes an optional enemy (Rictus) easier to reveal? So you continue to complain about Wendy not being the "End All Be All" survivor? We get it, you're one of those "This survivor has this Perk so Wendy MUST have an equivalent to it!" People. Please add more constructive criticism and positive feedback in these forums instead of constantly whining that your favorite character doesn't have God Mode and every ability. 

You'd better have no skill issue when facing a specified challenge when you tell others have skill issue. What about let us go for a speedrun challenge with Wendy and to see who have a real skill issue?

 

If you can't master a character in endgame, you'd better shut up but not judge them by your shallow knowledge. Maybe the real skill issue is just on you

Also Wortox now almost have God mode but it's obviously someone don't want to admit that because they love Wortox.

What a selfish hypocrite action lol

[Peasant]

3 minutes ago, Y0sH said:

Are you still upset because I told you that EVERY character doesn't need an AOE move natively just because other characters do and it makes an optional enemy (Rictus) easier to reveal? So you continue to complain about Wendy not being the "End All Be All" survivor? We get it, you're one of those "This survivor has this Perk so Wendy MUST have an equivalent to it!" People. Please add more constructive criticism and positive feedback in these forums instead of constantly whining that your favorite character doesn't have God Mode and every ability. 

I blieve there's considerable difference between "accusing double standard" and "complaining about Wendy not being the "End all Be All" survivor" and "whining that your favourite character doesnt have Gode Mode and every ability", and simply taking anyone who "accuses double standard" as "want character to have God Mode" doesn't count as constructive criticism or positive feedback either. I don't know what you two had discussed about, but such perspectives looks clearly unhealthy.

[ZeRoboButler]

32 minutes ago, Fitzee said:

I know you're at least trying to correct bad behavior, but do you remember where you are right now?

no guarantees it will work, but by god I can try...

[Steorra]

34 minutes ago, ZeRoboButler said:

okay, perhaps the devstream was something some people missed, but they just said that they are looking at ways to improve wendy with player input on the forums in mind. 

For everyone's sake, please try to think of solutions to the issues you see with wendy, If you think there are endgame issues with wendy, mention them. If you are just going to complain about another character, it's probably going to be ignored. 

I only say this because I'm certain people who come to the forums can come up with good ideas, but so many are focused on complaining, offering nothing to the discussion beyond "no sir, I don't like it... not at all." (or bickering among one another)

The devs already said they are aware that wendy needs changes, they have changes planned, and they are testing certain things to see if they worth keeping or changing. 

A new tree is going to come out tomorrow, please play around with it if you can, and offer some real feedback so the devs having something that is usable. 

If someone is looking to improve a recipe, you have to tell them whats wrong with it, rather than saying "it's bad", it's simply too vague or not constructive. 

Sorry? But ideas of Wendy would get criticism or even attack like "you just want to remove all downside of Wendy, you have skill issue about DST, your opinion is invalid because you are noob etc."

 

This thread is not a complain about Wendy skill tree or something relative with DST the game itself, but this thread is just for complaining those many Hypocrite behaviors in this forum.

 

There are some ppl who always said that "Wendy skill tree should not solve Wendy downside" but at the same time they feeling Okay about Wortox skill tree when it could remove Wortox monster tag. Wow, how fairness it is.

[Peasant]

11 minutes ago, Steorra said:

Also Wortox now almost have God mode

That bad? It doesnt make Wortox God Mode for him to be just being able to carry way much souls than before and more healing from souls and a decreased number of souls required to teleport anywhere on the map and being able to teleport while carring heavy objects and a rather cheap yet high damage weapon that gets more damage with more souls and free flutes…Ok I see your point.

[Steorra]

Just now, YXukun said:

That bad? It doesnt make Woetox God Mode for him to be just being able to carry way much souls than before and more healing from souls and a decreased number of souls required to teleport anywhere on the map and being able to teleport while carring heavy objects and a rather cheap yet high damage weapon that gets more damage with more souls and free flutes…Ok I see your point.

The fact : it's not a god mode

The logic of Y0sH : it is God mode

 

 

It is just a sarcasm.

[Y0sH]

7 minutes ago, YXukun said:

I blieve there's considerable difference between "accusing double standard" and "complaining about Wendy not being the "End all Be All" survivor" and "whining that your favourite character doesnt have Gode Mode and every ability", and simply taking anyone who "accuses double standard" as "want character to have God Mode" doesn't count as constructive criticism or positive feedback either. I don't know what you two had discussed about, but such perspectives looks clearly unhealthy.

Here's the discussion:

It had nothing to do with whatever issues are going on with Wendy it was specifically to do with the suggestion that Wendy should also get an AOE attack to reveal Rictus because other survivors have AOE attacks. In which I let him know that there are literally dozens of ways to reveal Rictus and an entire enemy's mechanic shouldn't be removed because you're favorite character doesn't have a skill that specifically makes it easier for you to deal with. It's a minor inconvenience at best to reveal Rictus for any survivor. There are no "double standards" it's very clear and straight to the point, Every survivor shouldn't have the same skills as every other survivor because there would be no reason to pick anyone other than Wilson if he has the perks of everyone else.

 

[Steorra]

6 minutes ago, Fitzee said:

So in other words, it's off-topic and irrelevant to the beta?

If you're going to complain, do it in General Discussions. Luckily for you, some people are also talking about the beta there, but Klei is presumably looking to see actual suggestions and feedback here.

Not really.

It's a questioning about Wortox and Wendy skill tree balancing. I think it is not offtopic. But just a bit shrill.

3 minutes ago, Y0sH said:

Here's the discussion:

It had nothing to do with whatever issues are going on with Wendy it was specifically to do with the suggestion that Wendy should also get an AOE attack to reveal Rictus because other survivors have AOE attacks. In which I let him know that there are literally dozens of ways to reveal Rictus and an entire enemy's mechanic shouldn't be removed because you're favorite character doesn't have a skill that specifically makes it easier for you to deal with. It's a minor inconvenience at best to reveal Rictus for any survivor. There are no "double standards" it's very clear and straight to the point, Every survivor shouldn't have the same skills as every other survivor because there would be no reason to pick anyone other than Wilson if he has the perks of everyone else.

 

 

3 minutes ago, Y0sH said:

Here's the discussion:

It had nothing to do with whatever issues are going on with Wendy it was specifically to do with the suggestion that Wendy should also get an AOE attack to reveal Rictus because other survivors have AOE attacks. In which I let him know that there are literally dozens of ways to reveal Rictus and an entire enemy's mechanic shouldn't be removed because you're favorite character doesn't have a skill that specifically makes it easier for you to deal with. It's a minor inconvenience at best to reveal Rictus for any survivor. There are no "double standards" it's very clear and straight to the point, Every survivor shouldn't have the same skills as every other survivor because there would be no reason to pick anyone other than Wilson if he has the perks of everyone else.

 

Now Wortox have same skill to make pigman become neutrality.

Why your logic seems begin to against yourself?

[Steorra]

Just now, Fitzee said:

I heard that Abigail reveals Rictus; is this not true?

In that discussion we are not focus on Wendy or Abi, I was just say that Rictus is a bad design then they come and say "that not a design issue, that's your skill issue"

Maybe someone think to prepare an AOE method to reveal rictus is really hard So it need some "skill".

[ZeRoboButler]

1 minute ago, Fitzee said:

I heard that Abigail reveals Rictus; is this not true?

I mean, she should if she has a target near rictus, causing collateral splash dmg...

I guess a wendy could catch a cave spider and drop it next to riled abby, I'll check tomorrow. I always test out the new skill trees for characters but I haven't got around to wendy fully yet, I played with some surface level stuff but I need more testing. 

been focused mainly on walter and wortox since I like them moreover wendy (no offense to the wendy player base, but man... she is a bit dull compared to other characters) 

(when I say she is dull, I mean pre-skill tree mind you, some of the new stuff has my attention for sure) 

[Steorra]

1 minute ago, ZeRoboButler said:

I mean, she should if she has a target near rictus, causing collateral splash dmg...

I guess a wendy could catch a cave spider and drop it next to riled abby, I'll check tomorrow. I always test out the new skill trees for characters but I haven't got around to wendy fully yet, I played with some surface level stuff but I need more testing. 

been focused mainly on walter and wortox since I like them moreover wendy (no offense to the wendy player base, but man... she is a bit dull compared to other characters) 

Hmm.. According to the streaming I guess Abi now could reveal rictus by that dash skill shouldn't she?

Thought "how Wendy to reveal rictus" is offtopic tbh.

[Peasant]

12 minutes ago, Y0sH said:

Here's the discussion:

It had nothing to do with whatever issues are going on with Wendy it was specifically to do with the suggestion that Wendy should also get an AOE attack to reveal Rictus because other survivors have AOE attacks. In which I let him know that there are literally dozens of ways to reveal Rictus and an entire enemy's mechanic shouldn't be removed because you're favorite character doesn't have a skill that specifically makes it easier for you to deal with. It's a minor inconvenience at best to reveal Rictus for any survivor. There are no "double standards" it's very clear and straight to the point, Every survivor shouldn't have the same skills as every other survivor because there would be no reason to pick anyone other than Wilson if he has the perks of everyone else.

 

I havent read the original post, but I can sense there's a misunderstanding happening here. You see the reason why he/she want an AOE is not because he want Wendy to have all the abilities that other characters have, but because the matter of, I don't know if I used the word right, fairness. Now days almost all character who'd gotten a skilltree have obtained the ability to do aoe damage, so why can't Wendy? Anyway the debate should end now for I remeber that klei had added aoe damage to the skill team spirit 2.

[ZeRoboButler]

24 minutes ago, Steorra said:

Sorry? But ideas of Wendy would get criticism or even attack like "you just want to remove all downside of Wendy, you have skill issue about DST, your opinion is invalid because you are noob etc."

I still would encourage you to try, a voice deserves to be heard, and heck, if you post a bad idea at least you posted one. 

one must "toss stuff at the wall and see what sticks" to make improvements, sometimes we have to understand that some people are just not gonna get it, and that is fine

[Y0sH]

7 minutes ago, Steorra said:

Not really.

It's a questioning about Wortox and Wendy skill tree balancing. I think it is not offtopic. But just a bit shrill.

 

Now Wortox have same skill to make pigman become neutrality.

Why your logic seems begin to against yourself?

My "logic" is that I don't like the change personally, and yet in my post you see me bring up why Canonically the change doesn't make much sense. I know this is a foreign concept to you but my post actually provides POSITIVE feedback on what alternatives could be instead of outright calling it bad design or stupid with no explanation.

You don't like something? Explain why you don't like it and propose what would be an idea that could perhaps circumvent the issue to add context to your request. DONT say it's bad design or incompetent game designers when you don't like something.

Welcome to "How to be positive on video game forums 101." Geez.

[Steorra]

3 minutes ago, Y0sH said:

My "logic" is that I don't like the change personally, and yet in my post you see me bring up why Canonically the change doesn't make much sense. I know this is a foreign concept to you but my post actually provides POSITIVE feedback on what alternatives could be instead of outright calling it bad design or stupid with no explanation.

You don't like something? Explain why you don't like it and propose what would be an idea that could perhaps circumvent the issue to add context to your request. DONT say it's bad design or incompetent game designers when you don't like something.

Welcome to "How to be positive on video game forums 101." Geez.

When the discussion is still peaceful you join and accuse that some one has "skill issue". Wow, It was positive huh?

[Y0sH]

4 minutes ago, Steorra said:

When the discussion is still peaceful you join and accuse that some one has "skill issue". Wow, It was positive huh?

You implied it was a skill issue and I agreed. I mean I literally put the post in question here for context. You're purposely taking what I said out of context when the context has been shown plenty of times.