Klei Stream Cliffnotes

[loonreaper]

The Wortox changes make him even better. I'm curious how many more people are playing Wortox now as a result. I hope they don't make anymore changes because I really enjoy his progression now. 

[ZeRoboButler]

6 hours ago, WenericMember said:

A lot of people aren't playing walter

• Once people play him more there may be more updates

I had no idea, although it makes sense considering... 

On my honor I will play more Walter to gather more useful information and data in the name of improving his gameplay because my word finding out people play wes more than him is a bit of a sign.

 

for walter... and woby too.

[Jakepeng99]

7 hours ago, WenericMember said:

Tier 4: Elixirs produce 2 when crafted (mentioned potion durability from jakepeng)

Wow its me.

7 hours ago, WenericMember said:

Woby is designed after charms in hollow knight?

I always thought wx was

7 hours ago, WenericMember said:

Gunpowder will be RNG damage

Idk how that will turn out.

[DegenerateFurry]

I think it's noteworthy that Klei decided to give Walter higher stacking ammo instead of an ammo pouch specifically because they don't think "in-combat inventory management" is fun. 

I wonder, what else might they change because it has a lot of unfun in-combat inventory management as a central part of it? Might it be the shadow counterpart to the Crab King rework, which also had a lot of that going on and now doesn't have nearly as much? 

[Kacpert25]

9 hours ago, Jason said:

I forgot one small change. When Wendy crafts gravestones, she can write an Epitaph.

Amazing change, thanks for adding it.

By the way, could you add that Wendy has the option to choose what type of gravestone she will craft? Please.

[goblinball]

23 hours ago, Maxil20 said:

It reminds me of the star cannon from Terarria; It's technically the best damage source pre hardmode, but most players very rarely use it because amassing that many stars for a fight is very impractical, and you are much better off using weapons that are not as effective but are significantly easier to upkeep.

I will say I honestly really like the star cannon; I never use it myself but more often than not in multiplayer there’s always one guy who just stockpiles stars and unleashes all of them at WoF, and I think that’s a really fun interaction. I wouldn’t be against smth decently impractical yet fun like that in dst.

I do still ultimately agree with you though, as having to refight nightmare werepig for dread stone is much more difficult and costs a lot more than just naturally collecting fallen stars every night in terraria. I’m ok with them being a little impractical like the star cannon, but I think they’ve crossed the line into “ridiculously impractical” territory.

[NotGabriel]

Really sad to see the Petal Shroud go before we could even try out the proposed rework. The prospect of Abi having armor was already cool enough, but it were implemented in the sense that she literally wears the head gear there would’ve been so much fun to have with that

• Matching Top Hat Twins

• Equipping a Miner’s Hat and sending Abigail into the darkness with the swoop attack

• Enlightened Crown? Maybe that would be OP but man it would be fun. It could be balanced by having it consume Wendy’s sanity so it wouldn’t have 100% uptime.

This was one of the most fun sounding skills in the whole tree and I hope they deliver something super fun to make up for it

[QuitePositiveGC]

I feel like Wendy's current Elixir branch is pretty meh. Quick breakdown;

• The Elixir Basket is a wonderful idea, but I do feel like most Elixirs lack purpose to be brought along, especially considering that Nightshade Nostrum is never the wrong option... except at night, I guess.
• The Tier-2 elixir is kind of neat, but I also feel like I can count the amount of times I've let Abigail die on one hand. So idk, healing up to full from 150 just feels like it'd take too long to be used in combat, and that's the only time I feel like this would be all that useful since we already have the Sisturn.
• Doubling the duration of Elixirs seems like a pretty niche effect, I mean, 8 minutes is more than enough most of the time... and potions aren't expensive to make either.
• Doubling the Elixir produced from crafting is nice, but once again seems like a niche effect. Except for the Affinity Elixirs, non of the basic Elixirs are expensive enough to make me consider this valuable. It doesn't feel like a branch capstone skill.

In my opinion, I think Tiers 2-4 should get a rework to encourage using the less used Elixirs, rather than give niche effects that sometimes comes in handy.
I think the simplest and most straight forward solution to accomplish this, would be to make the Tier-4 skill a second buff slot; allowing you to use the more niche Elixirs, alongside Nightshade Nostrum. If any Devs are reading this, have this idea already been considered? And if so, what's the reasoning behind not adding it?

Final thoughts, I haven't played around with any of this yet, but from what I've seen I think the overall Skill Tree is pretty great as of now! The Gravestone, Commands, and Pipspook branches all look great; love 'em! And with the changes to both Affinity branches, they look wonderful as well!

Side thoughts, if the Commands have longer cooldowns - Mostly thinking of Dash and Escape - an Elixir that reduces that cooldown would be wonderful! Lastly, I'd like it if we at least got to test out the proposed Flower Shroud rework in game.

Hope ya'll had a good Thanksgiving!

[WenericMember]

7 minutes ago, GamerCat11 said:

I feel like Wendy's current Elixir branch is pretty meh. Quick breakdown;

• The Elixir Basket is a wonderful idea, but I do feel like most Elixirs lack purpose to be brought along, especially considering Nightshade Nostrum is never the wrong option... except at night, I guess.
• The Tier-2 elixir is kind of neat, but I also feel like I can count the amount of times I've let Abigail die on one hand. So idk, healing up to full from 150 just feels like it'd take too long to be used in combat, and that's the only time I feel like this would be all that useful since we already have the Sisturn.
• Doubling the duration of Elixirs seems like a pretty niche effect, I mean, 8 minutes is more than enough most of the time... and potions aren't expensive to make either.
• Doubling the Elixir produced from crafting is nice, but once again seems like a niche effect. Except for the Affinity Elixirs, non of the basic Elixirs are expensive enough to make me consider this valuable. It doesn't feel like a branch capstone skill.

In my opinion, I think Tiers 2-4 should get a rework to encourage using the less used Elixirs, rather than give niche effects that sometimes comes in handy.
I think the simplest and most straight forward solution to accomplish this, would be to make the Tier-4 skill a second buff slot; allowing you to use the more niche Elixirs, alongside Nightshade Nostrum. If any Devs are reading this, have this idea already been considered? And if so, what's the reasoning behind not adding it?

Final thoughts, I haven't played around with any of this yet, but from what I've seen I think the overall Skill Tree is pretty great as of now! The Gravestone, Commands, and Pipspook branches all look great; love 'em! And with the changes to both Affinity branches, they look wonderful as well!

Side thoughts, if the Commands have longer cooldowns - Mostly thinking of Dash and Escape - an Elixir that reduces that cooldown would be wonderful! Lastly, I'd like it if we at least got to test out the proposed Flower Shroud rework in game.

Hope ya'll had a good Thanksgiving!

I think tier 2 should stay. It smoothens out the learning curve against bosses by not having Abigail dying mean she's out of literally the entire boss fight when paired with Cure-All.

And besides, I'd say both types of healing potions,  Nostrum, Vigor Mortis (albeit niche),  the new one, and the alignment potions are ones you want to keep on you as much as  possible, so even if the shielding potions don't see much use I think the basket is a wonderful idea.

Agree about tiers 3-4, but honesly they're not too egregious and have some uses, so I'd say wait until the other branches get fixed.

The branch certaintly still has room for improvement, but its a big step up over three tiers to double elixir duration. 

[QuitePositiveGC]

9 minutes ago, WenericMember said:

I think tier 2 should stay. It smoothens out the learning curve against bosses by not having Abigail dying mean she's out of literally the entire boss fight when paired with Cure-All.

Fair, I'm not all too against it over all. I just don't think I'll get much use out of it. But it could be pretty nice for newer players!

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And besides, I'd say both types of healing potions,  Nostrum, Vigor Mortis (albeit niche),  the new one, and the alignment potions are ones you want to keep on you as much as  possible, so even if the shielding potions don't see much use I think the basket is a wonderful idea.

Personally, I don't really think Vigor Mortis has that much uses, especially if the cooldown on the the new dash isn't too long. Revenant Restorative is in a similar spot for me as well, especially since Spectral Cure-all exists. And of course Nightshade Nostrum is never the wrong choice... except for night, I guess. kekw

That said, I still think the Basket is a wonderful idea, I just think there could be more reasons to bring along the rest of the Elixirs.

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Agree about tiers 3-4, but honesly they're not too egregious and have some uses, so I'd say wait until the other branches get fixed.

I find them to be the least interesting and least useful skills out of the bunch, that said, to each their own.

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The branch certaintly still has room for improvement, but its a big step up over three tiers to double elixir duration. 

True, they've already done a 180, so we're heading in the right direction, now they've just got to get where it needs to be!

Anyway, have a good day!

[WenericMember]

1 minute ago, GamerCat11 said:

Fair, I'm not all too against it over all. I just don't think I'll get much use out of it. But it could be pretty nice for newer players!

Personally, I don't really think Vigor Mortis has that much uses, especially if the cooldown on the the new dash isn't too long. Revenant Restorative is in a similar spot for me as well, especially since Spectral Cure-all exists. And of course Nightshade Nostrum is never the wrong choice... except for night, I guess. kekw

That said, I still think the Basket is a wonderful idea, I just think there could be more reasons to bring along the rest of the Elixirs.

I find them to be the least interesting and least useful skills out of the bunch, that said, to each their own.

True, they've already done a 180, so we're heading in the right direction, now they've just got to get where it needs to be!

Anyway, have a good day!

Yeah, I was just giving my thoughts about potions, I didn't consider the charge dash though, but mortis is still useful if you don't choose to spec into team spirit.

You to! I probably won't be able to play in the beta much more, so good like getting the potion skills changed!

[zzzzzzzzzzz]

有人有发现额外600血量只是护盾吗？并不是真的血上限啊

[usagiP]

2 minutes ago, zzzzzzzzzzz said:

有人有发现额外600血量只是护盾吗？并不是真的血上限啊

我觉得大家都知道吧，上个版本和上上个版本都是护盾啊，你发现的有点晚哈哈

[zzzzzzzzzzz]

1分钟前，usagiP说：

我觉得大家都知道吧，上个版本和上上个版本都是护盾啊，你发现的有点晚哈哈

So I hung up the game for 10 minutes just to be beaten by the boss three times? So humorous

[usagiP]

14 minutes ago, zzzzzzzzzzz said:

So I hung up the game for 10 minutes just to be beaten by the boss three times? So humorous

我也觉得这很拉胯。但是就算那真的是生命上限，也大差不差吧，1200血上大血药，打boss也是一会就没了，如果能改好团队精神这个技能，可以控制阿比盖尔风筝boss的话，我觉得会更有好处。所以就暂时不纠结这个问题

[zzzzzzzzzzz]

5分钟前，usagiP说：

我也觉得这很拉胯。但是就算那真的是生命上限，也大差不差吧，1200血上大血药，打boss也是一会就没了，如果能改好团队精神这个技能，可以控制阿比盖尔风筝boss的话，我觉得会更有好处。所以就暂时不纠结这个问题

Wendy's skill tree really has too many problems.

So sad