If you think some skill tree is bad and OP, just don't learn it.

[cropo]

1 minute ago, Steorra said:

Fundamentalism is not an acceptable reason to allow you to deny other's opinions to DST, especially it is already become a huge difference between the original DS and current DST.

You need to make up your mind; first you tell me I'm not from Klei and as such have no right to define the game. I then give you Klei's own definition and you say that I'm...fundamentalist and that the game has changed. 

As far as I know, the steam page still claims it's an uncompromising survival game.

[Sacco]

1 minute ago, Steorra said:

Sorry, but double standard is hypocrite. 

If you have double standard on some same thing just because one thing is what you like but other is not, then you are hypocrite and there's no doubt.

 

You have an "option" to "DO NOT TOUCH" those skill trees you don't like, but for now you have no option to make the skill tree to change just because "wow I don't like it it is OP it should nerf (in my own view)"

I think making something OP is not healthy for a game, just about it.

Due to how OP characters now are there is not reason to fight a ton of bosses because their loot is useless, and without any minor inconvenience the game doesn't work.

[Peasant]

7 minutes ago, Sacco said:

So give me an option to turn off skill trees, no?

Isn't this what this post is all about?

If you dont like some skilltree abilities cause they are op you can always dont spend any insight perks on them, if you dont like the whole idea about skilltree you can always dont spend any insight perks at all. Problem solved.

[Steorra]

Just now, cropo said:

You need to make up your mind; first you tell me I'm not from Klei and as such have no right to define the game. I then give you Klei's own definition and you say that I'm...fundamentalist and that the game has changed. 

As far as I know, the steam page still claims it's an uncompromising survival game.

the steam page part is reality as you said, but for the current game stage there're many other reasonable descriptions beyond what original is - this is another reality.

A healthy game community would allow new opinions, it is the great power to ensure the game developing. 

Maybe you could go ask forum administrators to claim that "We DST are and could only are surviving focusing hardcore game" to end this debate.

[Sacco]

2 minutes ago, YXukun said:

Isn't this what this post is all about?

If you dont like some skilltree abilities cause they are op you can always dont spend any insight perks on them, if you dont like the whole idea about skilltree you can always dont spend any insight perks at all. Problem solved.

I like skill trees, it's just that i feel like making them OP is not a good way to implement them.

When someone calls for a nerf other people get angry to him, but when someone wants a buff no one tells them to just get better...

[Steorra]

8 minutes ago, Sacco said:

I think making something OP is not healthy for a game, just about it.

Due to how OP characters now are there is not reason to fight a ton of bosses because their loot is useless, and without any minor inconvenience the game doesn't work.

Double standard is not healthy for any community. If someone insist to be double standard, then their voices would be ignored by most members of the community I have to say.

 

I personally agree with that OP is not healthy for a game, but it's just because bad design is not healthy - whatever it is OP or broken, they are same.

[Sacco]

2 minutes ago, Steorra said:

Double standard is not healthy for any community. If someone insist to be double standard, then their voices would be ignored by most members of the community I have to say.

 

I personally agree with that OP is not healthy for a game, but it's just because bad design is not healthy - whatever it is OP or broken, they are same.

badly designed is not always related with something being op, but it can...

[Jakepeng99]

1 minute ago, Sacco said:

badly designed is not always related with something being op, but it can...

In my opinion, Maxwell is well designed op. (Except that his cage can cheese bosses to easy)

But Wurt isnt.

[cropo]

1 minute ago, Steorra said:

A healthy game community would allow new opinions, it is the great power to ensure the game developing. 

I don't think saying overpowered stuff is fine because you can just shut it off is healthy for the game, or a healthy opinion that doesn't need to be challenged. I may disagree with everyone about what is and isn't actually overpowered but most of us have common ground that we want the default experience to remain challenging and difficult.

You can't just intrude on a community that was built on an uncompromising survival game, and say that we're dismissing "healthy" opinions, when said opinion is essentially saying that the game shouldn't be a challenging survival game, and that overpowered stuff is fine. I can't go into the pokemon community and complain that I shouldn't have to catch pokemon with pokeballs, and that they're dismissing my healthy opinion by telling me to sod off.

[Peasant]

1 minute ago, Sacco said:

I like skill trees, it's just that i feel like making them OP is not a good way to implement them.

When someone calls for a nerf other people get angry to him, but when someone wants a buff no one tells them to just get better...

Well, you gotta admit that average players won't say no to op, and they are the basic to this game, and very likely all games. Besides, if something is weak enough for there to be a certain amount of people demanding to buff it, then I would rather choose to believe that it does need to be buffed.

As for people who don't like op, well there's always a personal choice that you can just dont use it. But you cant demand others to say no to op too.

[Steorra]

6 minutes ago, cropo said:

I don't think saying overpowered stuff is fine because you can just shut it off is healthy for the game, or a healthy opinion that doesn't need to be challenged. I may disagree with everyone about what is and isn't actually overpowered but most of us have common ground that we want the default experience to remain challenging and difficult.

You can't just intrude on a community that was built on an uncompromising survival game, and say that we're dismissing "healthy" opinions, when said opinion is essentially saying that the game shouldn't be a challenging survival game, and that overpowered stuff is fine. I can't go into the pokemon community and complain that I shouldn't have to catch pokemon with pokeballs, and that they're dismissing my healthy opinion by telling me to sod off.

Opps, intrude, seriously?

Did you hint that those who don't agree that "DST should be and only be an uncompromising survival game" here are all intruders and those who agree with your opinions are indigenous?

Nice try.

 

Here's an advise: If you really eager an uncompromising game experience in DST, go try uncompromising Mod, that's the most healthy way for every community members including you I have to say.

[Sacco]

6 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said:

In my opinion, Maxwell is well designed op. (Except that his cage can cheese bosses to easy)

But Wurt isnt.

Yea, at least his gameplay encourages killing bosses to get better loot, at least.

He just needs to lose health when spawning shadows or just some number nerfa

[cropo]

2 minutes ago, YXukun said:

But you cant demand others to say no to op too.

I'm not saying that, what I am saying is that it should be on you to buff things to be OP, and should not be on us to nerf things not to be OP.

[Sacco]

4 minutes ago, YXukun said:

Well, you gotta admit that average players won't say no to op, and they are the basic to this game, and very likely all games. Besides, if something is weak enough for there to be a certain amount of people demanding to buff it, then I would rather choose to believe that it does need to be buffed.

As for people who don't like op, well there's always a personal choice that you can just dont use it. But you cant demand others to say no to op too.

people won't demand for nerfa because they are scared of getting something weak as a result of it.

Instead nerfing can have better results than buffing and making the game funnier and more engaging, it just dependa on how you nerf.

[cropo]

1 minute ago, Steorra said:

Did you hint that those who don't agree that "DST should be and only be an uncompromising survival game" here are all intruders and those who agree with your opinions are indigenous?

For the second time; you have the power and right to change DST to fit what you want it to be. I myself mod skyrim to the point it's unrecognizable to the default experience, but that responsibility should be on you. Trying to change default vanilla stuff in the game is going to cause a lot of argument on both sides because it's important that the vanilla experience is just right. 

The default experience is a survival game, and should be balanced as such. Anything else, should be on you to change; I don't want overpowered skill trees, I want skill trees but I want them to be enjoyable to use and not feel like I'm winning everything.

[Peasant]

1 minute ago, cropo said:

I'm not saying that, what I am saying is that it should be on you to buff things to be OP, and should not be on us to nerf things not to be OP.

And I wasning replying to you. 

Still, I imagine conflicted opinions are bond to exist in any stage of anything, but…I feel there's something missing here…There's one opinion, there's another, and…there should be something more…

[cropo]

Just now, YXukun said:

And I wasning replying to you. 

I was a relevant party to who you were referencing by saying that though.

[SilverSpoon]

3 minutes ago, Sacco said:

Instead nerfing can have better results than buffing and making the game funnier and more engaging, it just dependa on how you nerf.

I don't think playing Wes is "the game funnier" experience.

The reason people won't demand for nerf is simple psychology: humanity gets furious when treats that once been given is taken away.

[Peasant]

6 minutes ago, Sacco said:

people won't demand for nerfa because they are scared of getting something weak as a result of it.

Instead nerfing can have better results than buffing and making the game funnier and more engaging, it just dependa on how you nerf.

Nah, the reason people dislikes nerfing is because it takes away, while buffing is about offering. Imagine you have a glass of, say milk, buffing would be like pouring more milk into your glass, and is providing pleasure until it overflows.

Nerfing on the other hand is like draining away your milk with a straw. It didnt provide a postive feedback at the beginning, but people would still accept it as long as they didnt drain half of the glass all at once.

[cropo]

Just now, YXukun said:

Nah, the reason people dislikes nerfing is because it takes away, while buffing is about offering. Imagine you have a glass of, say milk, buffing would be like pouring more milk into your glass, and is providing pleasure until it overflows.

Nerfing on the other hand is like draining away your milk with a straw. It didnt provide a postive feedback at the beginning, but people would still accept it as long as they didnt drain half of the glass all at once.

A better way to describe a nerf in this scenario is there is too much milk in the cup, and if you drank it all it would be unhealthy. So a parent takes out some of the milk so you can have a proper amount of it without getting sick or full.

[Sacco]

Just now, YXukun said:

Nah, the reason people dislikes nerfing is because it takes away, while buffing is about offering. Imagine you have a glass of, say milk, buffing would be like pouring more milk into your glass, and is providing pleasure until it overflows.

Nerfing on the other hand is like draining away your milk with a straw. It didnt provide a postive feedback at the beginning, but people would still accept it as long as they didnt drain half of the glass all at once.

doesn't work this way IMO.

Nerfing can keep the same abilities, just a bit lowered in power.

This means That a nerf, AFTER BEING TESTED in game without any bias against it can be a good addition to the game.

[Peasant]

6 minutes ago, Fitzee said:

No disrespect when I ask this: are you foreign by any chance?

If so, I can't really fault you for not understanding sarcasm. 

No disrespect when I ask this: are you foreign by any chance?

If so, I can't really fault you for not understanding sarcasm. 

No disrespect when I ask this: are you foreign by any chance?

If so, I can't really fault you for not understanding sarcasm. 

No disrespect when I ask this: are you foreign by any chance?

If so, I can't really fault you for not understanding sarcasm. 

No disrespect when I ask this: are you foreign by any chance?

If so, I can't really fault you for not understanding sarcasm. 

That depends on the country you from, I presume?

Just kidding, I didn't realize it was sarcasm. I never posseses a sensitivity on these stuff.

[SilverSpoon]

Just now, cropo said:

there is too much milk in the cup, and if you drank it all it would be unhealthy.

Just regulate your intake... Think about the people who are willing and happy to drink lots of milk.

[Peasant]

4 minutes ago, cropo said:

A better way to describe a nerf in this scenario is there is too much milk in the cup, and if you drank it all it would be unhealthy. So a parent takes out some of the milk so you can have a proper amount of it without getting sick or full.

 

4 minutes ago, Sacco said:

doesn't work this way IMO.

Nerfing can keep the same abilities, just a bit lowered in power.

This means That a nerf, AFTER BEING TESTED in game without any bias against it can be a good addition to the game.

Well I was simply stating why people would prefer buffs than nerfs. Besides, nerf doesn't always happen a item becomes too op, and neither the result of it is always satisfying. The shadow maul is an example. They nerfed it for being too op, and now nobody even crafts it anymore.

[Mike23Ua]

1 hour ago, Fitzee said:

I say the more unnatural thing about the great depths worm is the fact that I have yet to encounter it.

Didn’t they remove it until a future update because anytime Wanda was eaten by it it completely crashed the game? Pretty sure they’re working on fixing that before bring it back.

Otherwise it only shows up as a replacement to Depth Worm Waves (the cave version of a hound wave) and only after Day 25.