Does anyone think Wendy's skill tree needs a complete overhaul？

[usagiP]

I found that there are votes indicating that some people believe Wendy's skill tree needs a complete overhaul
Because I think so too, I would like to hear the opinions of those who share my views
Why do you think a complete overhaul is necessary？
How do we rebuild after the demolition？

[purelove]

The biggest difficulty in strengthening Wendy now is not the problem of the creators, but the minority who do not dig deep into Wendy and understand her pain points. Players who are still accepting the current skill tree do not want a likable character to still succeed, while players who are truly dedicated to Wendy are heartbroken after the Wendy skill tree is released. I believe that most of the people who agree with the current Wendy skill tree are selfish. Wendy's strengthening should truly listen to the voice of Wendy players, rather than arbitrarily assuming Wendy is t0 just because of the large number of players

[Jakepeng99]

No

[arubaro]

No lol, some skills could be changed for other stuff and other needs a buff.

What they should do is to revert the change to the floral body piece

I dont think klei should listen to a bunch of inmature sectarian kids backfiring them because wendy didnt became as op as maxwell. That would only make them repeat the same actions evetytime they dont like something 

[purelove]

10 minutes ago, arubaro said:

No lol, some skills could be changed for other stuff and other needs a buff.

What they should do is to revert the change to the floral body piece

I dont think klei should listen to a bunch of inmature sectarian kids backfiring them because wendy didnt became as op as maxwell. That would only make them repeat the same actions evetytime they dont like something 

This is the ugliness of this group of people. They act as gods and deny the normal and reasonable demands of Wendy players. It is often fatal for outsiders to point fingers at insiders. They disdain calling Wendy players because of their distorted ideas. My suggestion is that creators and anyone who wants to make suggestions should immediately use Wendy to deal with the terrifying updated monsters, comparing the time and effort required to defeat these monsters with other characters, rather than speculating about Wendy's specific state with an arrogant attitude

[arubaro]

5 minutes ago, purelove said:

This is the ugliness of this group of people. They act as gods and deny the normal and reasonable demands of Wendy players. It is often fatal for outsiders to point fingers at insiders. They disdain calling Wendy players because of their distorted ideas. My suggestion is that creators and anyone who wants to make suggestions should immediately use Wendy to deal with the terrifying updated monsters, comparing the time and effort required to defeat these monsters with other characters, rather than speculating about Wendy's specific state with an arrogant attitude

Which one? The planar frogs that cant deal planar damage to Abigail because she got 15 planar armor? The stationary plant that you can defeat by breaking their weak roots? The shadow trio defeated before they can land you a hit? The varg which the whole difficulty is defeated by aoe damage? Deerclops and bearger???

Abigail already trivialize a lot of fights and some of them can be done by staying afk while abi does everything so what is the problem with needing to defeat a couple of bosses without abigail?

Do you know that there are characters with downsides affecting the gameplay 24/7? Do you realize that her -25% damage doest affect the planar damage from weapons? Did you read the patch notes or tried the update to see that abigail can have 900hp and there is a item which is designed to protect abigail even more?

[purelove]

18 minutes ago, arubaro said:

Which one? The planar frogs that cant deal planar damage to Abigail because she got 15 planar armor? The stationary plant that you can defeat by breaking their weak roots? The shadow trio defeated before they can land you a hit? The varg which the whole difficulty is defeated by aoe damage? Deerclops and bearger???

Abigail already trivialize a lot of fights and some of them can be done by staying afk while abi does everything so what is the problem with needing to defeat a couple of bosses without abigail?

Do you know that there are characters with downsides affecting the gameplay 24/7? Do you realize that her -25% damage doest affect the planar damage from weapons? Did you read the patch notes or tried the update to see that abigail can have 900hp and there is a item which is designed to protect abigail even more?

I have already said before that guessing is shameful. Everything fundamentally needs to be experienced in order to detail his shortcomings. All suggestions for Wendy are best given to players who use Wendy to play the entire process truthfully, and have also experienced real t0 characters, such as Wanda. You will know clearly that the advantages provided by AOE are useful but not indispensable in the process. For the few monsters they call monsters, how much preparation does Wendy need to do to ensure stable killing? In fact, there are many of these monsters, and pulling Abigail makes the operation more complex in most cases. What is the fault tolerance rate among them? In the first autumn, Wendy challenged the ancient land and encountered riots without taming cows. How helpless Wendy would be, even if she skillfully used the method of jamming to divide and defeat, she still had to spend more time clearing the shadow monsters than other characters. In a very simple way, most people can intuitively see Wendy's advantages, but in a deep and truly single player operation, Wendy would appear too weak to challenge this continent. In fact, in a multi person situation, in order to better contribute to the team, I often choose Wanda instead of Wendy because Wendy needs to spend more preparation time and lower fault tolerance in situations that are truly difficult to deal with

[Jakepeng99]

1 hour ago, purelove said:

I have already said before that guessing is shameful. Everything fundamentally needs to be experienced in order to detail his shortcomings. All suggestions for Wendy are best given to players who use Wendy to play the entire process truthfully, and have also experienced real t0 characters, such as Wanda. You will know clearly that the advantages provided by AOE are useful but not indispensable in the process. For the few monsters they call monsters, how much preparation does Wendy need to do to ensure stable killing? In fact, there are many of these monsters, and pulling Abigail makes the operation more complex in most cases. What is the fault tolerance rate among them? In the first autumn, Wendy challenged the ancient land and encountered riots without taming cows. How helpless Wendy would be, even if she skillfully used the method of jamming to divide and defeat, she still had to spend more time clearing the shadow monsters than other characters. In a very simple way, most people can intuitively see Wendy's advantages, but in a deep and truly single player operation, Wendy would appear too weak to challenge this continent. In fact, in a multi person situation, in order to better contribute to the team, I often choose Wanda instead of Wendy because Wendy needs to spend more preparation time and lower fault tolerance in situations that are truly difficult to deal with

Wendy isnt a t0 character, and im glad.  

She can be much weaker in comparison to Wanda and stuff, and thats fine because they are teir zero characters.

[cyjs]

2 hours ago, arubaro said:阿鲁巴罗 2小时前说道：

不，哈哈，有些技能可以改变为其他东西，而其他技能则需要加强。  不，哈哈，有些技能可以改变为其他东西，而其他技能则需要加强。

他们应该做的是将变化恢复到花体部分  他们应该做的是将变化恢复到花体部分

我认为克莱不应该听一群不成熟的宗派孩子的反驳，因为温迪没有像麦克斯韦那样成为OP。这只会让他们每次不喜欢某件事时都会重复同样的行为   我认为克莱不应该听一群不成熟的宗派孩子的反驳，因为温迪没有像麦克斯韦那样成为OP。这只会让他们每次不喜欢某件事时都会重复同样的行为 

Why don't you listen? You don't seem to know that most of klei's revenue comes from Chinese players. China's Tencent holds the majority of klei's shares, but we are not interfering with your freedom. We love this game and we just cry because of our favorite characters. Many people with poor English can only express short and twisted words, but you say we are immature children and brainless fanatics? Just repeating the same words? Brother, please respect us. The continued operation of this game cannot be separated from our Chinese players.

[erick was right]

5 minutes ago, cyjs said:

为什么不听？你似乎不知道klei的大部分收入来自中国玩家，中国的腾讯持有klei的大部分股份，但我们并没有干涉你的自由。我们喜欢这个游戏，我们只是因为我们最喜欢的角色而哭泣。很多英语不好的人只能表达简短扭曲的单词，但你说我们是不成熟的孩子和无脑的狂热分子？只是重复同样的话？兄弟，请尊重我们。这个游戏的持续运转，离不开我们中国玩家。

put fries in the bag or use translator lil bro

[arubaro]

1 hour ago, purelove said:

I have already said before that guessing is shameful. Everything fundamentally needs to be experienced in order to detail his shortcomings. All suggestions for Wendy are best given to players who use Wendy to play the entire process truthfully, and have also experienced real t0 characters, such as Wanda. You will know clearly that the advantages provided by AOE are useful but not indispensable in the process. For the few monsters they call monsters, how much preparation does Wendy need to do to ensure stable killing? In fact, there are many of these monsters, and pulling Abigail makes the operation more complex in most cases. What is the fault tolerance rate among them? In the first autumn, Wendy challenged the ancient land and encountered riots without taming cows. How helpless Wendy would be, even if she skillfully used the method of jamming to divide and defeat, she still had to spend more time clearing the shadow monsters than other characters. In a very simple way, most people can intuitively see Wendy's advantages, but in a deep and truly single player operation, Wendy would appear too weak to challenge this continent. In fact, in a multi person situation, in order to better contribute to the team, I often choose Wanda instead of Wendy because Wendy needs to spend more preparation time and lower fault tolerance in situations that are truly difficult to deal with

I have played enough hundreds of hours of wendy to give feedback (also played over 1k days of wanda)

Maybe is you who should play her before guessing others didnt played 

[Mike23Ua]

I can’t play in betas so I can’t say rather it does or doesn’t, but from reading the skill descriptions and watching people in Twitch play the Beta.. I feel like her skill tree is disappointing and lackluster compared to other characters who got amazing fun new content to work with?

Like I mean a good majority of her skill tree just seems to be improve what she could already do.

I will reserve my final judgements of it after Klei releases to public branch and I can test it on Xbox..

But as of right now, I’m extremely disliking the idea of a “Command Wheel” which will make very important tasks any Wendy main needs (Aka Quick tap Sooth/Rile, Summon/Dismiss) feel that much slower than it was.

Currently these commands are bound to D-pad button tap prompts that are impossible to “accidentally” press the wrong command.

But on a Skill Command wheel?? I can say that whilst playing as Maxwell or Willow (two characters with skill command wheels on Xbox) That I have on more than one occasion: Accidentally thumbsticked over the wrong command prompts in the heat of battle.

And that is on characters who only barely situational USE them so I can imagine that Trying to navigate and move around & also activate those prompts on a character who’s core gameplay demands much much more frequent use of it… is going to be a pure nightmare.

[hyoton123]

2 hours ago, purelove said:

This is the ugliness of this group of people. They act as gods and deny the normal and reasonable demands of Wendy players. It is often fatal for outsiders to point fingers at insiders. They disdain calling Wendy players because of their distorted ideas.

No one has been as discriminated against as Wendy players.

[purelove]

16 minutes ago, arubaro said:

I have played enough hundreds of hours of wendy to give feedback (also played over 1k days of wanda)

Maybe is you who should play her before guessing others didnt played 

Okay, you have voluntarily revealed that you are a Wanda player who has been playing for a thousand hours. May I ask what price she paid for your excellent recovery ability from the beginning, as well as the ability to bring out her exclusive weapons and a large amount of equipment materials from underground in just over 10 days after taking countermeasures? Additionally, with a 2.0 attack distance, you maintain a terrifying ability to deal with most monsters. Moreover, it can set the portal in several important locations, giving her super strong resource acquisition ability. So, what price did she pay for this? Even adapted to multiple people to make unique props! So, compared to this character without a skill tree, where is Wendy far superior!Even as a player of dozens of hours, without using mods, a single player can bring out exclusive weapons and summon the Sun Staff within 20 days

[Vinja]

In my opinion her skill tree is objectively worse than other ones like willow, wigfrid, woodie, wurt, etc. Much less new content to engage with and let's be honest, not nearly as strong or flashy either.

If you're going to make skill trees fun and flashy and strong it's reasonable for everyone to want their favorite characters trees to be as big and fun and flashy as the previous ones. 

In that sense, I can see why Wendy mains are disappointed.

This part here you can choose to ignore if you want but it's a theory I truly believe.. Wendy mains tend to be more casual players in my experience. Casual players don't visit this cesspool, or at least very seldom do. So in this case, the opinion of the minority casual players on this forum might actually be more valuable than the majority. And I say this as one that probably wouldn't qualify as casual.

Good luck, I hope this community can get something interesting out of Wendy's skill tree but I highly doubt it considering how many morons here seem to think she's "OP" because she can kill spiders easily. 

[hyoton123]

Cesspool? Slimy? My home this is!

[Mike23Ua]

10 minutes ago, Vinja said:

In my opinion her skill tree is objectively worse than other ones like willow, wigfrid, woodie, wurt, etc. Much less new content to engage with and let's be honest, not nearly as strong or flashy either.

If you're going to make skill trees fun and flashy and strong it's reasonable for everyone to want their favorite characters trees to be as big and fun and flashy as the previous ones. 

In that sense, I can see why Wendy mains are disappointed.

This part here you can choose to ignore if you want but it's a theory I truly believe.. Wendy mains tend to be more casual players in my experience. Casual players don't visit this cesspool, or at least very seldom do. So in this case, the opinion of the minority casual players on this forum might actually be more valuable than the majority. And I say this as one that probably wouldn't qualify as casual.

Good luck, I hope this community can get something interesting out of Wendy's skill tree but I highly doubt it considering how many morons here seem to think she's "OP" because she can kill spiders easily. 

You bring up a quite amazing point actually… Woodie was Given in his skill tree the ability to craft cheap walking canes out of next to nothing as a form of speed boost, this was AFTER Wendy had already gotten her refresh and the Vigor Mortis potions could only be used to speed up the movement of Abigail or a Dead players ghost after they haunt it laying on the ground.

Now I’m convinced that Wendy should be able to chug down those vigor potions for her own form of speed boost…

And no I’m not trying to make my favorite character the most busted OP thing to ever exist, I’m simply comparing her to other characters who have already received their own skill trees.

And we’ve yet to even TOUCH Wanda, Wickerbottom & Maxwell with skill trees yet, but look how busted they already are…

[Jakepeng99]

52 minutes ago, Vinja said:

In my opinion her skill tree is objectively worse than other ones like willow, wigfrid, woodie, wurt, etc. Much less new content to engage with and let's be honest, not nearly as strong or flashy either.

I feel like her Skilltree is better than Wurt's and Woodies.

54 minutes ago, Vinja said:

Good luck, I hope this community can get something interesting out of Wendy's skill tree but I highly doubt it considering how many morons here seem to think she's "OP" because she can kill spiders easily. 

Whos saying thar?

[Vinja]

1 minute ago, Jakepeng99 said:

I feel like her Skilltree is better than Wurt's and Woodies.

That's fine, no shame in being wrong.

[Sapientis]

I mostly want her skilltree to be rearanged, there is too much freedom compared to most other skilltrees.

Probably intended, because she's more of a beginner friendly character, but sometimes too much choice is also bad.

I suggest something like this, going  full on Ouija design:

Also Vengeful Ghost is such a bad skill

I'd rather have Wendy be able to tap into the afterlife and turn into a ghost by some means (though it was said Abigail will receive "Haunt command", which is great).

[arubaro]

3 hours ago, purelove said:

Okay, you have voluntarily revealed that you are a Wanda player who has been playing for a thousand hours. May I ask what price she paid for your excellent recovery ability from the beginning, as well as the ability to bring out her exclusive weapons and a large amount of equipment materials from underground in just over 10 days after taking countermeasures? Additionally, with a 2.0 attack distance, you maintain a terrifying ability to deal with most monsters. Moreover, it can set the portal in several important locations, giving her super strong resource acquisition ability. So, what price did she pay for this? Even adapted to multiple people to make unique props! So, compared to this character without a skill tree, where is Wendy far superior!Even as a player of dozens of hours, without using mods, a single player can bring out exclusive weapons and summon the Sun Staff within 20 days

You are hilarious. I just mentioned you that i play wanda because you mentioned that people should play both. Im a wormwood and warly player.

Your complains about wanda are funny to read when you are asking to buff wendy which her power comes for free instead of needing to farm ruins materials and husks

Edit. Even funnier when i suggested nerfs to wanda when was released because i dont enjoy how easy she makes the game

[shengrufuyou]

6 hours ago, arubaro said:

不，哈哈，有些技能可以改变为其他东西，而其他技能则需要增强。

他们应该做的是将变化恢复为花卉身体部分

我认为 Klei 不应该听一群不成熟的宗派孩子反驳他们，因为 Wendy 没有像 Maxwell 那样强大。这只会让他们每次不喜欢某件事时都重复同样的行为 

Do you owe me scolding? Are you trying to provoke a battle by attacking other player groups here?

[usagiP]

Thank you all, I really appreciate your comments
But I only want to hear what people who share my views have to say. It's like a basket, specifically collecting similar opinions
If you disagree with me, you can speak elsewhere, and I will also take a look, because your opinions are valuable too
I also won't forget that what is expressed here is only the opinions of some people, not everyone
However, the poll shows that 18% of people support a complete redo, and I just want to hear their opinions

If you feel that what I'm saying is unfriendly, it might be a translation issue, and I apologize

Moreover, those who immediately say "no" and make harsh comments, I think you might not be very polite.

We all have the right to express our opinions, rather than jumping to conclusions and dismissing others.

…right? You all know that I haven't said anything inappropriate.

Most of the comments are polite, and I'm glad to see the opinions you all have shared.

[Mr_tree]

The current potion skill is too boring, so I think it could be modified like this:

Elixir remake:

Level 1: Can craft a 6-slot potion jar, only storing Elixir.

Level 2: Can use Elixir on Ghosts for employment and enhancement.

Level 3: Abigail can use two Elixirs simultaneously.

Hiring Ghosts should be a lot of fun, and Klei can balance out the stats for one side of the excess. Level 3 can also solve some of the problems that Abigail is currently facing.

[marblue]

It's important to creat new stuff to make this game more interesting，not enhance characters let them face more difficult game. About 60% Chinese player play this game like a “fast food”， we always end this game in a server at most 25 game days.I'm not deny this trend，but I want to say that too powerful skill trees are reducing this game's life span. Maybe next time you can focus on story about moon and shadow not make characters more powerful.By the way，Wendy need recreat new skilltree to make her funnier and give some new ability such as let Abigail could touch shadow monsters.