I really don't think some of Wendy's Skills have any practical use

[Copyafriend]

19 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

Especially when it comes to things like Boomerangs, which for almost All characters NOT named Wendy… Can be thrown to knock out Rabbits or Landing Birds in one hit in the super super early game.

Wendy However, will hit them and they’ll just mock her and fly or run away.

Honestly its really really not very useful.

Like i barely hunt birds as walter not very useful, despite being effectively free to do so. (Though i'll stop and kill rabbits with decent regularity)

Rabbits can be killed with a melee weapon, and abigail easily hunts rabbits better than most other characters already.

I understand its frustrating to not have access to killing birds at all, but you mostly wouldnt be killing birds anyway, so nothing much is lost

[lyinging]

WHY CANT I QUOTE? This sentence is quite fitting for the designer of this update. It's completely a design made on a whim, without taking into account that Wendy is the most popular character in this game. Moreover, generally speaking, players use this character not for its strength but for the quality of life (in the game context).

[Univers123]

11 hours ago, marely said:

Are you serious? Wendy is strong? Let me ask you, does Wendy have a 2x damage multiplier like Wolfgang? Or a 1.25x damage multiplier with automatic defensive resistance like Wigfrid? Does Wendy show any notable strength when fighting bosses? Have you really played Don't Starve? Abbi dies so easily, and after she's gone, Wendy is left with a mere 0.75x damage multiplier—how is that strong? Are you kidding me? How does a character with 0.75x damage multipliers deal with shadow creatures? Is that what you call strong? Other than using AOE to deal with random spiders or frogs, tell me where Wendy is strong!??? At least give her some quality-of-life buffs if she can’t fight. Chopping trees and mining are the worst of all characters, and her skillset is just frustrating. Have you seriously played Wendy at all?

True this is the issue right now, Abigail dies too easily and loses all Wendy's source of damage...

[Mike23Ua]

5 minutes ago, Copyafriend said:

Honestly its really really not very useful.

Like i barely hunt birds as walter not very useful, despite being effectively free to do so. (Though i'll stop and kill rabbits with decent regularity)

Rabbits can be killed with a melee weapon, and abigail easily hunts rabbits better than most other characters already.

I understand its frustrating to not have access to killing birds at all, but you mostly wouldnt be killing birds anyway, so nothing much is lost

That’s only because you have like a billions of hours into the game and are good at idk making strong food dishes or bundling wraps or whatever…

But as someone who has actually on more than one occasion actually managed to die of starvation in a desert when I could’ve killed birds or buzzards for a quick bite to eat just to ward off starvation, you underestimate the ability to more easily kill rabbit, birds, buzzards, Grass Geckos etc.

In fact one of my favorite perks of skill tree Wolfgang is the entirely situational perk of throwing dumbells to knock out two birds and obtain morsel and feathers. Paired along side 3 Ice & 1 small meat morsel it gave newbie players a more beginner friendly method of healing and hunger.

I actually very specifically spec’d Wigfrids Elden Spear Dash just for easier annihilation of birds to more easily satisfy her “only eats meat” diet.

[Evelo]

6 hours ago, YXukun said:

Another thing that amuses me is that, she got a new item which require dark petals, and she got a new ability allowing her to turn dark petals——which she needs urgently,

Gravestones made by wendy produce dark flowers around them. I am sure they will update the tooltip for that next update.

[Copyafriend]

10 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

That’s only because you have like a billions of hours into the game and are good at idk making strong food dishes or bundling wraps or whatever…

Brother between both games (solo and together) on all consoles, i have maybe 1000 hours. Most of which was spent in solos dlcs (on playstation)

Eat cactus, 6 health is not that much, and you can easily survive all winter off of cactus and monster meat if you just wear armor when you harvest the cactus and cook it before you eat it. It even gives 15 sanity for free. Each one is 12.5 hunger iirc.

Despite being called dont starve together, not starving is incredibly easy. To the point where i have literally survived in lights out while turning off literally everything that you can possibly turn off.

It wasnt very fun, but thats not the point.

With wendy, you can easily kill an incrdibly large number f pigmen by just letting Abigail 1v1 them one at a time. This of course gives you a large meat or pigskin with no effort year round

The same works with bunnymen, though the return is a little worse.

You can also easily mass murder spiders with efficiency even better than webber mains, and just bring a den to put near your base for whenever you might want monster meat (which is perfectly safe for most recipes so long as you only use 1, and a lot of recipes only need 1 meat) you could even turn the monster meat into eggs and just eat the eggs directly if you're lazy.

I to be completely honest am fairly unsure how you could have more than 20 hours in this game and have starving be a significant challenge.

[aidankocherhans]

34 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

That’s only because you have like a billions of hours into the game and are good at idk making strong food dishes or bundling wraps or whatever…

But as someone who has actually on more than one occasion actually managed to die of starvation in a desert when I could’ve killed birds or buzzards for a quick bite to eat just to ward off starvation, you underestimate the ability to more easily kill rabbit, birds, buzzards, Grass Geckos etc.

In fact one of my favorite perks of skill tree Wolfgang is the entirely situational perk of throwing dumbells to knock out two birds and obtain morsel and feathers. Paired along side 3 Ice & 1 small meat morsel it gave newbie players a more beginner friendly method of healing and hunger.

I actually very specifically spec’d Wigfrids Elden Spear Dash just for easier annihilation of birds to more easily satisfy her “only eats meat” diet.

If you're specifically talking about killing birds for their meat, Abigail makes it much easier than other characters to get meat from other sources, so you should probably just shift your focus on what you try to hunt

12 hours ago, marely said:

Are you serious? Wendy is strong? Let me ask you, does Wendy have a 2x damage multiplier like Wolfgang? Or a 1.25x damage multiplier with automatic defensive resistance like Wigfrid? Does Wendy show any notable strength when fighting bosses? Have you really played Don't Starve? Abbi dies so easily, and after she's gone, Wendy is left with a mere 0.75x damage multiplier—how is that strong? Are you kidding me? How does a character with 0.75x damage multipliers deal with shadow creatures? Is that what you call strong? Other than using AOE to deal with random spiders or frogs, tell me where Wendy is strong!??? At least give her some quality-of-life buffs if she can’t fight. Chopping trees and mining are the worst of all characters, and her skillset is just frustrating. Have you seriously played Wendy at all?

Wendy can melt a horde of shadow splumonkeys, spiders, hounds, etc better that pretty much anyone, with little to no cost, that is strong. She struggles with bosses and probably needs a little more to help with that, but bosses aren't the whole game. She does essentially have the damage bonus and resistance of wigfrid due to Abigail's support. She has downsides, but every character should have them. (She doesn't have reduced work efficiency, you're thinking of Wes)

[xhyom]

12 hours ago, marely said:

Are you serious? Wendy is strong? Let me ask you, does Wendy have a 2x damage multiplier like Wolfgang?

Are you aware that Wolfgang has received a whistle as his skilltree

[selena_maocheng]

I'm just gonna say.....wtf is this skill tree. this stupid skills are useless besides the tombstone. even brighter abby is better than the rest of the skills....if this is not going to redo im gonna play willow. getting mad alr

[selena_maocheng]

59 minutes ago, aidankocherhans said:

If you're specifically talking about killing birds for their meat, Abigail makes it much easier than other characters to get meat from other sources, so you should probably just shift your focus on what you try to hunt

Wendy can melt a horde of shadow splumonkeys, spiders, hounds, etc better that pretty much anyone, with little to no cost, that is strong. She struggles with bosses and probably needs a little more to help with that, but bosses aren't the whole game. She does essentially have the damage bonus and resistance of wigfrid due to Abigail's support. She has downsides, but every character should have them. (She doesn't have reduced work efficiency, you're thinking of Wes)

hello willow can also did the same work and she is much stronger than abby...she is undeniably WEAK. without beefalo,she is just a little weeeeeaaak poor princess.......she is ok for daily life but NOT ok for beating bosses

[Eieni]

13 hours ago, Arthurian Titan said:

It's actually the best skill on Wendy's tree atm. The Vest makes it so that if Wendy is attacked by a boss, the damage on Abigail is calculated as if it was Wendy herself who took it, so armor reduces it, and the bonus damage to mobs wouldn't apply. It makes Wendy the preferable tank on their duo, and so getting the aggro makes even fighting bosses viable, as Abigail receives less damage if the damage is redirected because of the vest, and she can heal fast with the elixirs. Not to mention any healing you give to yourself is transferred to Abigail, so food items can be used to heal Abby as long as you use the shroud.

Uh yea, but it's not as if it makes Abi invincible, she's still whacked by direct damage since majority of bosses have AOE and they still deal double damage which are her biggest problems. Even if lets you heal with food, eating 2-3 pierogies/dragonpie to only heal back 1 hit amount of damage is so impractical.

[DegenerateFurry]

17 hours ago, Arthurian Titan said:

It's actually the best skill on Wendy's tree atm. The Vest makes it so that if Wendy is attacked by a boss, the damage on Abigail is calculated as if it was Wendy herself who took it, so armor reduces it, and the bonus damage to mobs wouldn't apply. It makes Wendy the preferable tank on their duo, and so getting the aggro makes even fighting bosses viable, as Abigail receives less damage if the damage is redirected because of the vest, and she can heal fast with the elixirs. Not to mention any healing you give to yourself is transferred to Abigail, so food items can be used to heal Abby as long as you use the shroud.

Oh, never mind, then, that's very good. I didn't know it did any of that.

[WenericMember]

It would be depressingly funny if Wendy was the only character to get 4 sets of changes.

• Initial reworks
• Re-rework because her initial rework was so poorly recieved
• Skill tree
• Skill tree rework because her skill tree was so poorly received.

[erick was right]

On 11/22/2024 at 12:14 AM, Jason said:

Something that needs to be said in the skill description somehow.. Evil Flowers will spawn around graves that Wendy decorates. That is an intended new source of Evil Flowers.

 

On 11/21/2024 at 11:32 PM, Jason said:

There is room for some of these skills to improve with feedback for sure. They are probably tuned a little low. The reason for that is Wendy is quite strong already. Winona for example got a lot of crazy stuff cause she wasn't a strong character to begin with. That should be kept in mind for all skill trees really. 

wilson tree xD

my ranked team mates 

[Damlet.]

Just let Wendy craft gaflics from mourning glories. They look almost the same and this could save developers' precious time. 

[Argwarn]

On 11/21/2024 at 7:32 PM, Jason said:

There is room for some of these skills to improve with feedback for sure. They are probably tuned a little low. The reason for that is Wendy is quite strong already. Winona for example got a lot of crazy stuff cause she wasn't a strong character to begin with. That should be kept in mind for all skill trees really. 

Sadly this one has tweaks that dont make gameplay sense... to the point of being effectively useless ,since they are worse options than what we already have

[marely]

8 hours ago, aidankocherhans said:

If you're specifically talking about killing birds for their meat, Abigail makes it much easier than other characters to get meat from other sources, so you should probably just shift your focus on what you try to hunt

Wendy can melt a horde of shadow splumonkeys, spiders, hounds, etc better that pretty much anyone, with little to no cost, that is strong. She struggles with bosses and probably needs a little more to help with that, but bosses aren't the whole game. She does essentially have the damage bonus and resistance of wigfrid due to Abigail's support. She has downsides, but every character should have them. (She doesn't have reduced work efficiency, you're thinking of Wes)

 

If Wendy were one of the only few good characters for dealing with hordes of shadow splumonkeys, spiders, or hounds, that would make sense. However, it’s already November 2024, and other characters can achieve similar results with their abilities at relatively low costs. For example, Wolfgang’s dumbbells, Maxwell’s shadow prison and traps, Wigfrid’s battle cry dash, and Wormwood’s bramble armor, just to name a few. There are too many similar examples.

Maybe you're right, Don't Starve isn’t just about bosses. Characters like Wickerbottom, Wortox, and Wormwood can serve as the backbone or glue for a team’s survival. The problem is that Wendy doesn’t have the kind of powerful utility skills those characters do to support an entire team. Simply put, Wendy’s utility skills are almost nonexistent.

I forgot that Wes has the weakest 0.75x work efficiency in all of Don’t Starve, so Wendy isn’t the weakest after all, considering she has 1.0x work efficiency.

Not fighting bosses and just surviving sounds nice, but in reality, bosses will come looking for you as early as winter. Klei actively encourages players to fight bosses and has designed many of them to be unique and engaging. Defeating bosses also rewards you with powerful items to use. If you avoid fighting bosses, I feel that the Don’t Starve experience becomes incomplete.

If you can keep Abbi protected, Wendy does indeed have Wigfrid-level damage and resistance. Thinking about it carefully, she’s actually quite a strong combat character—if you can keep Abbi safe.

[Arthurian Titan]

So What are you guys' thoughts on the new changes from the Beta Hotfix 1?
Changes implemented:
-Vex Elixir now gives damage increase instead of duration (much more useful and impactful, I think it actually makes it a good skill to get)
-Dark Petal conversion (we talked about it a length and it realized, lmao)

-Abigail now has increased planar defense 5 to 15, and her maximum hp is now 900 if you use the sisturn
-Level 3 shadow affinity is now super strong, as you can make Abigail deal double damage by murdering 20 bees/butterflies (nightshade nostrum + sacrifice makes her deal 80 dmg per hit for a pretty good time)

[marely]

6 minutes ago, Arthurian Titan said:

So What are you guys' thoughts on the new changes from the Beta Hotfix 1?
Changes implemented:
-Vex Elixir now gives damage increase instead of duration (much more useful and impactful, I think it actually makes it a good skill to get)
-Dark Petal conversion (we talked about it a length and it realized, lmao)

-Abigail now has increased planar defense 5 to 15, and her maximum hp is now 900 if you use the sisturn
-Level 3 shadow affinity is now super strong, as you can make Abigail deal double damage by murdering 20 bees/butterflies (nightshade nostrum + sacrifice makes her deal 80 dmg per hit for a pretty good time)

This sounds much better than before. I need to go test it in the game first.Thank you for the reminder.

[WenericMember]

2 minutes ago, Arthurian Titan said:

So What are you guys' thoughts on the new changes from the Beta Hotfix 1?
Changes implemented:
-Vex Elixir now gives damage increase instead of duration (much more useful and impactful, I think it actually makes it a good skill to get)
-Dark Petal conversion (we talked about it a length and it realized, lmao)

-Abigail now has increased planar defense 5 to 15, and her maximum hp is now 900 if you use the sisturn
-Level 3 shadow affinity is now super strong, as you can make Abigail deal double damage by murdering 20 bees/butterflies (nightshade nostrum + sacrifice makes her deal 80 dmg per hit for a pretty good time)

Pretty good, that + the promised future changes will round out her skill tree quite nicely. It won't be the most powerful, but it'll have a variety of useful skills, and a lot of added depth to the character. I'd still like a change to the potions other than duration like Walters slingshot mods, but I get why they don't want to do that.

There are two things I'll have to see how they play out which are:

• Usage of dark flowers outside of Wendy's crafts. Regenerating regular petals, flower shroud and NF is an ok selection of applications for dark petals, but I think an additional global craft for them would be nice.
• How they'll handle haunting RNG. Many of the effects are RNG dependent, and unlike ghosts who don't have anything better to do, Wendy does, so bumping up effect rates for most things is a pretty important thing.

[xhyom]

I can't help but laugh at the players of the character who makes 90% of the game trivial talking as if she were a poor peasant who has never seen the sunlight. At least be honest, for ****'s sake, if she was bad you wouldn't even click on her and would be playing as Willow. Let's tell the truth, just say it: "I want her to be strong and stronger than she already is, I want cool looking magical powers" that's completely valid, this talk about her being a poor little thing is eye-rolling. Overnight she became Wes and they took away all her perks apparently, do you guys envy his baloons too?

[Wormboi]

2 minutes ago, xhyom said:

I can't help but laugh at the players of the character who makes 90% of the game trivial talking as if she were a poor peasant who has never seen the sunlight. At least be honest, for ****'s sake, if she was bad you wouldn't even click on her and would be playing as Willow. Let's tell the ******* truth, just say it: I want her to be strong and stronger than she already is, I want cool looking magical powers, that's completely valid, this talk about her being a poor little thing is eye-rolling. Overnight she became Wes and they took away all her perks apparently, do you guys envy his baloons too?

What?

[xhyom]

7 minutes ago, Wormboi said:

What?

What, what? Just go up a little and you'll see how weak and useless she is, powercreeped by *checks notes* Wolfgang's dumbbells being thrown

[Wormboi]

3 minutes ago, xhyom said:

What, what? Just go up a little and you'll see how weak and useless she is, powercreeped by *checks notes* Wolfgang's dumbbells being thrown

but she not weak? I like Wendy because she one of more simple character to understand and doesn't have a million things attached to her.

[NINA1917]

9 minutes ago, xhyom said:

I can't help but laugh at the players of the character who makes 90% of the game trivial talking as if she were a poor peasant who has never seen the sunlight. At least be honest, for ****'s sake, if she was bad you wouldn't even click on her and would be playing as Willow. Let's tell the ******* truth, just say it: I want her to be strong and stronger than she already is, I want cool looking magical powers, that's completely valid, this talk about her being a poor little thing is eye-rolling. Overnight she became Wes and they took away all her perks apparently, do you guys envy his baloons too?

Regarding the previous skill tree, I'm pretty sure several parts of it didn't make any sense 90% of the time in the game. The problem isn't the strength of Wendy, it's the inability to see the value, and the value they exist is as a trash can for turning insight point prompts off