Are characters aging handled properly in the contex of the timeline?

[Szczuku]

So, Winona is older than Charlie, and Wagstaff was probably in his late thirties when Charlie and Maxwell got taken into the Constant. Charlie is an adult here so, that would probably make Winona like what, 7-9 years younger than Wagstaff. I mean, people don't age in the Constant ('cept Wanda) and Queen Charlie certainly looks mature.

 

So, unless I'm missing something, either Winona arrived at the Constant when Wagstaff and she were still young and is just refusing to acknowledge that her boss is old now and she isn't. Or she arrived when Wagstaff was already an old man, she is around Maxwell's age and is just aging very gracefully

[NPCMaxwell]

12 minutes ago, Szczuku said:

So, Winona is older than Charlie, and Wagstaff was probably in his late thirties when Charlie and Maxwell got taken into the Constant. Charlie is an adult here so, that would probably make Winona like what, 7-9 years younger than Wagstaff. I mean, people don't age in the Constant ('cept Wanda) and Queen Charlie certainly looks mature.

 

So, unless I'm missing something, either Winona arrived at the Constant when Wagstaff and she were still young and is just refusing to acknowledge that her boss is old now and she isn't. Or she arrived when Wagstaff was already an old man, she is around Maxwell's age and is just aging very gracefully

I was always taking it for granted that Winona arrived when she was still rather young x_x (I always thought of her as around 38 years old)

[Szczuku]

On 9/6/2024 at 8:00 PM, NPCMaxwell said:

I was always taking it for granted that Winona arrived when she was still rather young x_x (I always thought of her as around 38 years old)

That's the thing, it's hard to get a proper read of a character's age since dst's style only really distinguishes between children, adults and old people.

And it is kind of fluid. Charlie in the Maxwell's cinematic and Queen Charlie are both the same age, yet I'd give regular Charlie like 25-27 years, while Queen Charlie looks 30-32 to me. If Winona is supposed to be like 4-6 years older than Charlie (given their height difference in the hide'n'seek short) then she wouldn't be that much younger than Wagstaff since he looks around 40 and Charlie would be like 28 when Maxwell's last act happened.

[Popian]

Next of Kin happens in 1919 when Winona enters the Constant and Interference could have happened in at least 1921 when Wilson enters, so Wagstaff wouldn't look that much older to her.

It's interesting to note that Winona would have an additional 13 years (1906-1919) on Charlie and Maxwell if everything is happening in the Constant "year 0". It's possible that they do age in the Constant but the story prefers to follow a specific set of survivors that are relatively fresh from the postern when convenient.

[NPCMaxwell]

12 hours ago, Szczuku said:

That's the thing, it's hard to get a proper read of a character's age since dst's style only really distinguishes between children, adults and old people.

And it is kind of fluid. Charlie in the Maxwell's cinematic and Queen Charlie are both the same age, yet I'd give regular Charlie like 25-27 years, while Queen Charlie looks 30-32 to me. If Winona is supposed to be like 4-6 years older than Charlie (given their height difference in the hide'n'seek short) then she wouldn't be that much younger than Wagstaff since he looks around 40 and Charlie would be like 28 when Maxwell's last act happened.

The DST Artstyle is quite a struggle in this specific case especially too for me since it started definitely deciding for the 'Wilson is default size for ALL adult characters in cinematics (despite Wolfgang and in some(???) cases Maxwell)" and some side-characters style. It felt.......easier for my mind to try to think of characters as having real ages when they were also ACTUALLY significantly different looking (Though for long the only reference I had was Maxwell's last performance from the William Carter puzzle, the one in which the characters actually talk, the Wolfgang backstory, the encore short and the forbidding knowledge and the new reign video. Those were basically the only ones I knew before realizing Klei had an entire channel and even there I only have saved a handful ones to watch regularly (mostly Wagstaff centered and Wes backstory) ones since then, but from what I see I feel like it's more and more: Adult are all mostly short-Wilson sized people even when they are not playable characters. Which is difficult for my eyes, although I like cartoon-style so much, I prefer cartoons having some sort of "consistency". [that would mean that IF characters share a similar model for an age-group [most popular example: Children or teens] that they would still have significantly different traits developing when the characters grow older that make it easier to identify the big age categories from when height growth is mostly finished. To make it easier to figure out age differences as adults / old people asides "very old adult. ambigiously age adult".)

[Frosty_Mentos]

I feel like we would need some context to when did Charlie's family may have arrived to US and their Asian origin.

From the short there's displayed a lot of artwork depicting trees, mountain ranges birds, pottery that seems to be porcelain, incense and sake indicating that they came from likely being one of first Japanese colonists that came to live in America.

First migrant colonists came to California to which is where San Francisco is and the rest of events pushed on for our cast to end up in the Constant 1906.

Assuming with those colonists were Charlie's and Winona's parents in 1869 (nice) or even their own parents being grandparents coming there, having the time for their children to learn American English then for Winona and Charlie to be part of that society.

Lets assume that from Charlie's age she was about 18-20 when she was abducted by shadows with Maxwell in 1906.

Winona's likely abducted after WW1 somewhere from 1925-1930 cause of the first invented masking tape, if we can stay that she was older than Charlie back then by 2-4 years or so given from height alone, when Winona was taken she likely was somewhere like 41-43 years old?

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But if really, if I were to turn off the safety here, Charlie escaped from being pressured and overprotectiveness from her peers likely at her teenage years, to which I'd put her being 15-16 when she was out doing tours with Maxwell. It wouldn't make sense Winona be 40+ years imo but closer to 40 when she was taken for the looks she has but I might also be wrong.

Unclear really what was what back then since characters themselves don't really give their age to their - kids had to work, girls to look pretty etc. She did dress well and had a nice coat, assuming she was paid more than well by Maxwell's performances.

In that estimate Winona would likely be around 40's and Charlie is 35-38.