Should the Void Cowl work on the Nightmare Saddle?

[loonreaper]

Just asking this because it seems to work on every other weapon but this one and given the speed buff with this saddle kiting would be much easier to do. Or do you think that it would make beefalos too OP? 

[flamboyant wolf]

I don't think it'd really make much sense, balance wise. There's barely any reason to wear most armors and gear while on a beefalo, so there would be no reason to ever not use the void cowl while fighting on a beefalo with shadow saddle. 

[cybers2001]

3 hours ago, flamboyant wolf said:

I don't think it'd really make much sense, balance wise. There's barely any reason to wear most armors and gear while on a beefalo, so there would be no reason to ever not use the void cowl while fighting on a beefalo with shadow saddle. 

I'm not sure if that's really much of an argument. If you're fighting with shadow weapons, you're probably always wearing a cowl for the dps, too.

[Danila6300]

This is the only saddle after the rifts at the moment. The moon side has no saddle, so it would be fair if the shadow saddle does not interact with the hood. 

[cybers2001]

3 hours ago, Danila6300 said:

This is the only saddle after the rifts at the moment. The moon side has no saddle, so it would be fair if the shadow saddle does not interact with the hood. 

Fair for whom? Are you suggesting that the moon side is being short-changed currently?

[Danila6300]

13 hours ago, cybers2001 said:

Fair for whom? Are you suggesting that the moon side is being short-changed currently?

If I make it so that the hood buffs the saddle, then the moon side won't be able to buff it. I don't want that. If you mostly carry lunar gear, then you'll also have to take up an inventory slot for the shadow saddle buff. 

[mmmmmmmmmmm]

2 minutes ago, Danila6300 said:

If I make it so that the hood buffs the saddle, then the moon side won't be able to buff it. I don't want that. If you mostly carry lunar gear, then you'll also have to take up an inventory slot for the shadow saddle buff. 

while there is some arguments behind that, that's just a preference to carry mainly lunar gear, and doesn't really seem like an argument, specially since most carry both

[cybers2001]

10 hours ago, Danila6300 said:

If I make it so that the hood buffs the saddle, then the moon side won't be able to buff it. I don't want that. If you mostly carry lunar gear, then you'll also have to take up an inventory slot for the shadow saddle buff. 

How are any of these arguments, though? None of these are arguments.

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Shadow can't have saddle buff because moon doesn't have saddle buff.

Shadow already has a saddle buff moon doesn't have, because shadow has the saddle and moon doesn't! Like, what?? Moon has the smasher, which shadow doesn't have. Moon has Polar Bearger Bin, which shadow doesn't have. They're not supposed to have the same things. In fact, I guarantee you there won't be a moon saddle because there is a shadow saddle.

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I don't want to take up an inventory slot for a saddle buff.

Then don't (???) Who says you have to? You're saying you're happier knowing an additional buff to Beefalos don't exist than for there to be a buff that you'd feel bad about not utilizing? That's kind of selfish, isn't it? Like, the whole point of moon vs shadow is both sides are different but valid. Having an inventory of moon stuff is as valid as having an inventory of shadow stuff. You're upset that you can't get all the benefits of shadow while only carrying moon gear.

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If the cowl is a straight buff, nobody would use anything else.

This is another flawed assumption. Cowl already works this way with shadow weapons, this is no different. It's useful when it's useful. If it's raining, then I'm wearing an eyebrella. If it's dark, then I wear moggles. Meanwhile I spend 90% of my time wearing the (moon themed) enlightened crown, anyway.

[Danila6300]

13 hours ago, cybers2001 said:

How are any of these arguments, though? None of these are arguments.

Well, if that's the case for you, then we have nothing to argue about. I still think the hood shouldn't buff the shadow saddle. In general, I don't know what arguments you want to hear. There are only those who want such a feature in the game and those who do not want to see this feature in the game. Everyone says something for the sake of their own desires. Although of course I understand that people are having discussions, but there is nothing to discuss here. 

[arubaro]

On 8/29/2024 at 7:39 AM, Danila6300 said:

If I make it so that the hood buffs the saddle, then the moon side won't be able to buff it. I don't want that. If you mostly carry lunar gear, then you'll also have to take up an inventory slot for the shadow saddle buff. 

This doesnt make sense and, btw, one of the many perks from the BS helmet is to buff moon weapons like the hood but in a more straight forward way

[Danila6300]

13 minutes ago, arubaro said:

This doesnt make sense and, btw, one of the many perks from the BS helmet is to buff moon weapons like the hood but in a more straight forward way 

I know that the BS helmet enhances the light-colored sword. At the moment some people want the hood to buff the saddle, but I don't see the point in that until the moon side has a moon saddle that buffs from the BS helmet. Are you not satisfied with the current damage from the saddle? 

[reddocc]

In my opinion it should work by giving more speed to the beefalo, of course temporarily and it could be the same as the glossamer saddle(as long as you're fighting and you beefalo doesn't get hit).Enlightened crown works on beefalo hit, and this gives you another reason to use the cowl instead of the crown.

[Danila6300]

15 hours ago, cybers2001 said:

If it's raining, then I'm wearing an eyebrella. If it's dark, then I wear moggles. Meanwhile I spend 90% of my time wearing the (moon themed) enlightened crown, anyway.

These devices do not require additional items for buffing. 

[flamboyant wolf]

32 minutes ago, Pedro cc said:

Enlightened crown works on beefalo hit, 

Ah. It does, doesn't it.

Welp, disregard my previous comment here.

[arubaro]

2 hours ago, Danila6300 said:

I know that the BS helmet enhances the light-colored sword. At the moment some people want the hood to buff the saddle, but I don't see the point in that until the moon side has a moon saddle that buffs from the BS helmet. Are you not satisfied with the current damage from the saddle? 

Im and i dont think it fits to make the hood buff the saddle neithet i think a moon saddle is necessary unless is for something completely different

Is funny how we were asking for plow and transport saddles but instead we get just an upgraded fight saddle

[cybers2001]

16 hours ago, Danila6300 said:

Well, if that's the case for you, then we have nothing to argue about. I still think the hood shouldn't buff the shadow saddle. In general, I don't know what arguments you want to hear. There are only those who want such a feature in the game and those who do not want to see this feature in the game. Everyone says something for the sake of their own desires. Although of course I understand that people are having discussions, but there is nothing to discuss here. 

If you're arguing a case for or against something, it should be in the frame of reference beyond just your personal gameplay preference. Just weird that you say, "Optional item X shouldn't be in the game because I don't really want to use Optional item X." Which sounds like your underlying stance, and you're just trying to come up with excuses to justify it.

[Valase]

take damage out of the saddle then give it to the hood+ saddle combination.

[Danila6300]

9 hours ago, cybers2001 said:

If you're arguing a case for or against something, it should be in the frame of reference beyond just your personal gameplay preference. Just weird that you say, "Optional item X shouldn't be in the game because I don't really want to use Optional item X." Which sounds like your underlying stance, and you're just trying to come up with excuses to justify it.

Overall I really think it would be a bit inconvenient for me to carry a saddle buff hood. (I'm sure I'm not the only one) When it rains we need to carry an umbrella, when it's acid rain we need to carry an umbralla, in the dark we need a lamp, and so on. I don't want the inventory to be overloaded, and yes, I say that I don't want it, I think there's nothing wrong with saying what you want or don't want. As for me, at the moment the saddle is in normal condition in terms of characteristics, but I would like it to be immune to tipping over. Also I didn't see any arguments why this improvement should be in the game. All I saw was a statement that my words are not arguments. Almost forgot. I saw proposals to improve the saddle, but I did not see arguments why this improvement is necessary. 

[cybers2001]

10 hours ago, Danila6300 said:

Overall I really think it would be a bit inconvenient for me to carry a saddle buff hood. (I'm sure I'm not the only one) When it rains we need to carry an umbrella, when it's acid rain we need to carry an umbralla, in the dark we need a lamp, and so on. I don't want the inventory to be overloaded, and yes, I say that I don't want it, I think there's nothing wrong with saying what you want or don't want. As for me, at the moment the saddle is in normal condition in terms of characteristics, but I would like it to be immune to tipping over. Also I didn't see any arguments why this improvement should be in the game. All I saw was a statement that my words are not arguments. Almost forgot. I saw proposals to improve the saddle, but I did not see arguments why this improvement is necessary. 

That's the point, though. The cowl forces you to choose between dps and the utility you get from other hats. I like the thematic emphasis the game puts on wearing matching gear with your weapons to encourage further specialization. The inclusion of the void cowl as an option for beefalo combat can further provide strategic combat here, as the playstyle with the cowl also encourages you to try to squeeze more hits in rapid succession to maximize the dps bonus it provides.