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[Mysterious box]

3 minutes ago, Blue Tangerine said:

What a mess,let me run through it, I take shadow creatures for an example to prove that spore can't be useful against all enemy hordes,not for regain sanity.

Can you name another horde besides shadow creatures that can't be put to sleep?

5 minutes ago, Blue Tangerine said:

Like honey poultice? not again. 

That's not a tool that is a healing item. I feel like your purposely ignoring his crowd control tools.

You know what instead what specifically is keeping you from healing as Wormwood?

[Blue Tangerine]

29 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Can you name another horde besides shadow creatures that can't be put to sleep?

That's not a tool that is a healing item. I feel like your purposely ignoring his crowd control tools.

-No,but it's one of the commonest hordes in this game. 

-Please explain,I didn't get what you mean. 

31 minutes ago, Pedro cc said:

It's not a big deal for wormwood that wurt has sightly easier time farming. One thing I would like to make wormwood an even better farmer is to be able to reduce stress points from crops

I said it in suggestion 1

29 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Can you name another horde besides shadow creatures that can't be put to sleep?

That's not a tool that is a healing item. I feel like your purposely ignoring his crowd control tools.

You know what instead what specifically is keeping you from healing as Wormwood?

Oh,I just remembered,lavae can't be hypnotized neither. 

[EOReality]

Just thought I'd add some things to the recent comments.

His sleep shrooms allow for really nice combat tactics (examples being making Klaus deer inactive throughout the entire fight, horde defense by eating multiple shrooms in slightly different spots, dfly enrage skip without a flute, or literally just to buying yourself a whopping 20 seconds to heal/craft/retreat whatever), and becomes a great main food source for him if you want to, since it keeps him at max sanity and hunger constantly at anytime (including when dealing with big sanity drain auras). he can make his own living logs for the planters as well, so they'll never run out.

Compost wrap isn't a *bad* source of regenerating in a fight, you just have to use it differently. Just because it doesn't heal you instantaneously doesn't make it bad. If anything, the fact that it heals you over time can be a bonus since you can use it before you engage in a fight making it so you don't have to wait till you take 40 damage then waste time mid fight healing, and it acts as a buffer in between heals like jellybeans so you don't have to pause to heal as often. It can even be stacked WITH jellybeans which makes compost wrap stand out even more since you can heal through more hits at a time....You could just also do the normal thing and just use honey poultice, or other healing items. Poultice can be amassed fairly early game easily as wormwood though if you have monkey tail crafting and make bee boxes. That's all without mentioning that compost wrap has other important uses as well.

His DPS doesn't match Wanda, but he DOES have higher than base, and is faster than her almost always if you're any decent with him. It's fine if he isn't the best at raw damage anyway, his utility with shrooms, traps, vine snares, and AOE armor gives more than enough to be satisfying for the team, not to mention out of combat he offers living logs and he's STILL one of the best farmers with his direct planting, faster picking and carrats. 

Wormwood requires a different playstyle and game plan than other characters but hes definitely still a good character. His skill set makes him a very well varied character, and while I wouldn't mind buffs he does his part(s) fine and I don't think he needs them. Honestly I love how nice he is currently.

[Blue Tangerine]

7 minutes ago, EOReality said:

Just thought I'd add some things to the recent comments.

His sleep shrooms allow for really nice combat tactics (examples being making Klaus deer inactive throughout the entire fight, horde defense by eating multiple shrooms in slightly different spots, dfly enrage skip without a flute, or literally just to buying yourself a whopping 20 seconds to heal/craft/retreat whatever), and becomes a great main food source for him if you want to, since it keeps him at max sanity and hunger constantly at anytime (including when dealing with big sanity drain auras). he can make his own living logs for the planters as well, so they'll never run out.

Compost wrap isn't a *bad* source of regenerating in a fight, you just have to use it differently. Just because it doesn't heal you instantaneously doesn't make it bad. If anything, the fact that it heals you over time can be a bonus since you can use it before you engage in a fight making it so you don't have to wait till you take 40 damage then waste time mid fight healing, and it acts as a buffer in between heals like jellybeans so you don't have to pause to heal as often. It can even be stacked WITH jellybeans which makes compost wrap stand out even more since you can heal through more hits at a time....You could just also do the normal thing and just use honey poultice, or other healing items. Poultice can be amassed fairly early game easily as wormwood though if you have monkey tail crafting and make bee boxes. That's all without mentioning that compost wrap has other important uses as well.

His DPS doesn't match Wanda, but he DOES have higher than base, and is faster than her almost always if you're any decent with him. It's fine if he isn't the best at raw damage anyway, his utility with shrooms, traps, vine snares, and AOE armor gives more than enough to be satisfying for the team, not to mention out of combat he offers living logs and he's STILL one of the best farmers with his direct planting, faster picking and carrats. 

Wormwood requires a different playstyle and game plan than other characters but hes definitely still a good character. His skill set makes him a very well varied character, and while I wouldn't mind buffs he does his part(s) fine and I don't think he needs them. Honestly I love how nice he is currently.

Partly agreed,but his skill tree still sucks

[zhangsheng]

Adding some balance advantages is not a bad thing, but in fact, there is no need to compare other characters. Wurt also has its own disadvantages. For example, too many Merms will cause the server to be too laggy.

[EOReality]

44 minutes ago, Blue Tangerine said:

Partly agreed,but his skill tree still sucks

I can understand not liking the path they took with his tree, but at least it improved him quite a bit, right? I would totally be down for him making plants ignore the "family" stress though, it'd make sense with how friendly he is to them lol

[Blue Tangerine]

1 minute ago, EOReality said:

I can understand not liking the path they took with his tree tbh, but at least it improved him quite a bit, right? I would totally be down for him making plants ignore the "family" stress though, it'd make sense with how friendly he is to them lol

"a bit " is far from enough,dear. 

[EOReality]

3 minutes ago, Blue Tangerine said:

"a bit " is far from enough,dear.

To each their own, I suppose. I'll stick with my original comment for now

[Blue Tangerine]

21 minutes ago, zhangsheng said:

Adding some balance advantages is not a bad thing, but in fact, there is no need to compare other characters. Wurt also has its own disadvantages. For example, too many Merms will cause the server to be too laggy.

I actually found this out during the beta branch in early June （lunar merms), but at the time I think the changes to the powder monkey affected me more, and at the very beginning I thought of wurt as a 1.0 character, then I adjusted my mindset and thought of her as a 2.0 character, but when the farmer merms came out I can't be calm about it, which totally "robbed" Wormwood's gifts. 

一开始测试服月鱼出来的时候我就发现这个问题了，但是当时火药猴的改动对我影响更大，所以就没有说，而且我一开始是把鱼妹当1.0角色的，后面调整了一下心态把她当成2.0角色了，但是后面耕地鱼人出来后我就不淡定了，这完全是抢了沃姆伍德的能力啊

[arubaro]

7 hours ago, HowlVoid said:

Can you name a single buff he didn't need? As far as I can tell, with the way skill trees are going, wormwood would be one of the weakest characters in the roster. The paid character no less. His bramble husk ability was needed as the can't heal character using this ability made little sense. Or do you mean moon shrooms which are the few things setting him apart right now? Winona has tons of aoe damage right now that puts his tools to shame and she can teleport.

 

Stop making the game properly balanced? What?

It is essentially because we are not properly comparing characters that leads to the exact situation you're talking about. I see characters with redundant abilities other characters have because Klei is probably not comparing them. Just looking at what could be added to make them more interesting.

It is BECAUSE character aren't setting boundaries like, how wolf DPS should be max DPS, that we get a Winona dealing 120 damage per catapult. This line of thinking isn't healthy for the game long term. 

That is the problem, they are budffing to be closer to wanda/wolfgang when some of us dont enjoy that

They are adding 483636 perk per character or making boring trees for some characters with already 47472727 perks

Meanwhile the game content is mostly the same except for new bosses

7 hours ago, HowlVoid said:

with the way skill trees are going, wormwood would be one of the weakest characters in the roster

I wish that would be the case

[Blue Tangerine]

5 minutes ago, arubaro said:

That is the problem, they are budffing to be closer to wanda/wolfgang when some of us dont enjoy that

They are adding 483636 perk per character or making boring trees for some characters with already 47472727 perks

Meanwhile the game content is mostly the same except for new bosses

I wish that would be the case

-That is the problem, they are budffing to be closer to wanda/wolfgang when some of us dont enjoy that

I am not buffing wormwood to wolfgang's level,the only suggestion I gave to increase his dps is just a +5 planar damage. 

-I wish that would be the case

I DO NOT

[arubaro]

59 minutes ago, Blue Tangerine said:

-That is the problem, they are budffing to be closer to wanda/wolfgang when some of us dont enjoy that

I am not buffing wormwood to wolfgang's level,the only suggestion I gave to increase his dps is just a +5 planar damage. 

-I wish that would be the case

I DO NOT

Im talking about klei....

[Blue Tangerine]

4 minutes ago, arubaro said:

Im talking about klei....

Sorry

[IAmAFurrz]

On 6/26/2024 at 4:49 AM, HowlVoid said:

This is the thing I'm most scared of. Look what happened to Maxwell. They do this weird thing (happened during reworks) where characters become more complex as the development goes on. 

We started out with throwing torches and we're going to end with Maxwell collapsing mini blackholes.

heard from someone that some people on forums didnt know how to play maxwell did (and even to this day still does) think hes bad, so they had to buff him to the point of no return. i dont care too much about power scaling or powercreep, but the matter of fact is that his gameplay is 'complex' as in its like a modded character, and is way overtuned. the meme of 'i can play maxwell with 1 health' is real due to beefalo taming existing, along with his ability to read on top of beefalos its made a boring character of just prison + duelist in combat, while excelling in every aspect. 

I dont suspect they will nerf maxwell, they dont tend to do that but if this keeps up, by the end of skill trees maybe maxwell could even be powercrept. perhaps future rift content will balance the abilities the skill trees are giving characters

[Mysterious box]

18 minutes ago, IAmAFurrz said:

perhaps future rift content will balance the abilities the skill trees are giving characters

That's impossible considering Wilson's skill tree.

[twitchgabo]

The only thing I wish Klei could explore more is to deepen the fertilizer mechanics. 

I wish we could make him grow bigger and bigger so we can explore more buffs, like  fertilizers that  could specifically increases his HP/Hunger/Sanity meter/Movespeed/Damage.

 

But I am pretty fine with how it actually is. Maybe just a little tweaks would be nice. 

[Sir Noel]

On 6/26/2024 at 2:03 AM, arubaro said:

That is the problem, they are buffing to be closer to wanda/wolfgang when some of us dont enjoy that

With the focus on combat we've seen recently I'm not surprised characters are getting these combat buffs, though some like Willow's spells seem crazy compared to others for how easy it is to get (as in, many affinity perks for other characters are locked behind post-rift while others are not). Basically almost every character has somewhat decent aoe options and great dps now, which isn't a bad thing really, but wolf/wanda should always be on top, I hope they keep that consistent. Though I wonder how they'll handle characters like Wendy whose once valuable niche isn't all that rare or valuable now. I hope it's not just number buffs to Abigail =\

[IAmAFurrz]

9 hours ago, Mysterious box said:

That's impossible considering Wilson's skill tree.

wilson was promptly forgotten after they introduced raid bosses X)