Cruvimaster Posted June 12, 2024 Share Posted June 12, 2024 It's just that. @V2C Don't Starve Together 2024.06.12 - 15.32.52.02.mp4 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157002-crab-cheese-king/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenBowers Posted June 12, 2024 Share Posted June 12, 2024 I dont think his cheese would taste very good. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157002-crab-cheese-king/#findComment-1724057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quadratordo Posted June 12, 2024 Share Posted June 12, 2024 If I'm not mistaken, there's also a variant of such cheese where you use underwater salvageables (set-up with a winch) to block the waves from reaching the boat in the first place. Has that been addressed? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157002-crab-cheese-king/#findComment-1724098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruvimaster Posted June 12, 2024 Author Share Posted June 12, 2024 6 minutes ago, Quadratordo said: If I'm not mistaken, there's also a variant of such cheese where you use submerged items (set-up with a winch) to block the waves from reaching the boat in the first place. Has that been addressed? It is still a testing version (beta). So I brought it for demonstration and analysis. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157002-crab-cheese-king/#findComment-1724107 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quadratordo Posted June 12, 2024 Share Posted June 12, 2024 12 minutes ago, Cruvimaster said: It is still a testing version (beta). So I brought it for demonstration and analysis. I know, I know. I was just shedding light on a variant of this type of new CK cheese. Should I link a video, or...? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157002-crab-cheese-king/#findComment-1724118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruvimaster Posted June 12, 2024 Author Share Posted June 12, 2024 Just now, Quadratordo said: ...Should I link a video, or...? Whatever you think is best, dude. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157002-crab-cheese-king/#findComment-1724125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike23Ua Posted June 12, 2024 Share Posted June 12, 2024 55 minutes ago, Cruvimaster said: It's just that. @V2C Don't Starve Together 2024.06.12 - 15.32.52.02.mp4 336.71 MB · 0 downloads How could Klei have possibly missed this? When a lunar rift opens up that thing drops out the sky and turns the ground area around it into lunar turf (destroying anything that was in the area so the mobs and resources that need to come out the rift can spawn) Shouldn’t Crab Kings Icey Island just destroy the Bouys/fishing nets/whatever else you want to place in the same way? I feel like it’s just an oversight due to the beta being so early in its release, this’ll definatly be patched before full release. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157002-crab-cheese-king/#findComment-1724126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruvimaster Posted June 12, 2024 Author Share Posted June 12, 2024 1 minute ago, Mike23Ua said: How could Klei have possibly missed this? When a lunar rift opens up that thing drops out the sky and turns the ground area around it into lunar turf (destroying anything that was in the area so the mobs and resources that need to come out the rift can spawn) Shouldn’t Crab Kings Icey Island just destroy the Bouys/fishing nets/whatever else you want to place in the same way? I feel like it’s just an oversight due to the beta being so early in its release, this’ll definatly be patched before full release. I think it's productive to show them during the beta. If it takes years to correct it, it creates a lot of problems on the forum. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157002-crab-cheese-king/#findComment-1724128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quadratordo Posted June 12, 2024 Share Posted June 12, 2024 1 hour ago, Cruvimaster said: Whatever you think is best, dude. Alright, then. Not my video, but it's not like copies of DST are personalized... or are they? Granted, the lass in the video doesn't really perform it that well, but anyways. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157002-crab-cheese-king/#findComment-1724129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike23Ua Posted June 12, 2024 Share Posted June 12, 2024 7 minutes ago, Quadratordo said: Alright, then. Not my video, but it's not like copies of DST are personalized... or are they? Granted, the guy in the video doesn't really perform it that well, but anyways. Watching this video makes me wish Crab king rotated in circles atleast using his long claws to swat at the player every so often. Isn’t the Pearl supposed to account for all Gem colors? Where is the new icey island it’s supposed to spawn? I am so very confused… But thanks for sharing these videos, these cheeses will be removed by the time Xbox gets to fight reworked crab. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157002-crab-cheese-king/#findComment-1724133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JazzyGames Posted June 12, 2024 Share Posted June 12, 2024 57 minutes ago, Quadratordo said: Alright, then. Not my video, but it's not like copies of DST are personalized... or are they? Granted, the guy in the video doesn't really perform it that well, but anyways. Tears is a girl. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157002-crab-cheese-king/#findComment-1724179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quadratordo Posted June 12, 2024 Share Posted June 12, 2024 23 minutes ago, JazzyGames said: Tears is a girl. Noted and fixed. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157002-crab-cheese-king/#findComment-1724188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
_zwb Posted June 13, 2024 Share Posted June 13, 2024 You don't even need those, a few anchors or even just rowing would do. It's pretty obvious that klei designers forgot about basic sailing mechanics 6 hours ago, Mike23Ua said: I feel like it’s just an oversight due to the beta being so early in its release, They had a month to test this... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157002-crab-cheese-king/#findComment-1724295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primalflower Posted June 13, 2024 Share Posted June 13, 2024 13 minutes ago, _zwb said: You don't even need those, a few anchors or even just rowing would do. It's pretty obvious that klei designers forgot about basic sailing mechanics They had a month to test this... you've seen and been told about several system improvements made to the game in this beta, i don't really see how unbelievable it is that this interaction failed to reach their gaze when the update was only receiving dozens of people bugtesting it recently Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157002-crab-cheese-king/#findComment-1724300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
yyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Posted June 13, 2024 Share Posted June 13, 2024 11 minutes ago, _zwb said: You don't even need those, a few anchors or even just rowing would do. It's pretty obvious that klei designers forgot about basic sailing mechanics They had a month to test this... CK can hardly push my boat. I have plenty of time to defeat him. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157002-crab-cheese-king/#findComment-1724304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
_zwb Posted June 13, 2024 Share Posted June 13, 2024 8 minutes ago, Primalflower said: you've seen and been told about several system improvements made to the game in this beta, i don't really see how unbelievable it is that this interaction failed to reach their gaze when the update was only receiving dozens of people bugtesting it recently Anchors and rowing are as basic as ordering 0 bears Even if it's not basic, doesn't klei do bug testing as well? That's like, a standard thing for any software development, why do they have to depend on players to test those basic things? They even let basic crashes like crash when simply using Wurt's skill into beta, wouldn't be surprised if they didn't do any testing. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157002-crab-cheese-king/#findComment-1724305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primalflower Posted June 13, 2024 Share Posted June 13, 2024 5 minutes ago, _zwb said: anchors and rowing are as basic as ordering 0 bears even if it's not basic, doesn't klei do bug testing as well? That's like, a standard thing for any software development, why do they have to depend on players to test those basic things? The simple truth is that there is severe survivors bias at play. The bugs/exploits they did catch, we aren't seeing. so the ones that we do see are more apparent and it's easy to call foul as if they were obvious from the start, when there are likely just other things that they were focused on that got dealt with before we even got to acknowledge them. I kind of find this discussion exhausting already on the basis that i have observed you making these sorts of remarks like 5 times in the past week Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157002-crab-cheese-king/#findComment-1724306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
_zwb Posted June 13, 2024 Share Posted June 13, 2024 4 minutes ago, Primalflower said: so the ones that we do see are more apparent and it's easy to call foul as if they were obvious from the start and they were. Crashing when simply building something is obvious. The crab king one is not even a bug, you don' t need to test in game to see the issue, it's simply a design flaw. Knowing that: a) Crab King will not attack if your boat is still in range. b) You can place anchors to stop being pushed. Idk how an experienced game designers wouldn't see the issue here. 11 minutes ago, Primalflower said: I kind of find this discussion exhausting already on the basis that i have observed you making these sorts of remarks like 5 times in the past week Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157002-crab-cheese-king/#findComment-1724309 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radicaljoe Posted June 13, 2024 Share Posted June 13, 2024 It would be cool if CK casted the waves+ the old geysers around himself in like, 1-2 tiles so you're forced to row back (I'm talking original CK full purple geysers too) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157002-crab-cheese-king/#findComment-1724312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
yyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Posted June 13, 2024 Share Posted June 13, 2024 I guess it can be solved by bringing back geysers. Make them generate inside the circle(I don't konw how big the circle is exactly, the picture is not accurate.)when CK summons waves. As we know geysers are destructive to the boat. So this will make us let the waves push the boat away. Geysers play as a punishment to this kind of cheese. Klei please don't change trawlers and anchors to fix the problem. There are always methods to make the boat stay still. What I mean is that there will be more future updates bring us new ocean stuff. Compared with considering this cheese when design the new contents, geyser is a better solution, once for all. 1 minute ago, Radicaljoe said: It would be cool if CK casted the waves+ the old geysers around himself in like, 1-2 tiles so you're forced to row back (I'm talking original CK full purple geysers too) Totally agree. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157002-crab-cheese-king/#findComment-1724314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike23Ua Posted June 13, 2024 Share Posted June 13, 2024 1 hour ago, yyyyyyyyyyyyyyy said: I guess it can be solved by bringing back geysers. Make them generate inside the circle(I don't konw how big the circle is exactly, the picture is not accurate.)when CK summons waves. As we know geysers are destructive to the boat. So this will make us let the waves push the boat away. Geysers play as a punishment to this kind of cheese. Klei please don't change trawlers and anchors to fix the problem. There are always methods to make the boat stay still. What I mean is that there will be more future updates bring us new ocean stuff. Compared with considering this cheese when design the new contents, geyser is a better solution, once for all. Totally agree. On the other hand, this particular exploit could show Klei a problem that future content updates might would have also had if Crab King had not shown this strategy. My simple suggestion is to let Crab King destroy anything that isn’t your boat when the fight starts. Much like how Pre-Rework crab king shot up geysers to destroy all boats that weren’t actively being Rowed out the way. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157002-crab-cheese-king/#findComment-1724335 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumber64 Posted June 13, 2024 Share Posted June 13, 2024 33 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said: My simple suggestion is to let Crab King destroy anything that isn’t your boat when the fight starts. Much like how Pre-Rework crab king shot up geysers to destroy all boats that weren’t actively being Rowed out the way. Players will just build after the fight starts. Simplest fix is Consequences™ for not letting your boat being pushed away. E.g., the wave phase switches to ice regardless, smashing your boat to smithereens if it's still present. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157002-crab-cheese-king/#findComment-1724344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
_zwb Posted June 13, 2024 Share Posted June 13, 2024 2 minutes ago, Bumber64 said: Players will just build after the fight starts. destroy those constantly during ck fight Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157002-crab-cheese-king/#findComment-1724345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumber64 Posted June 13, 2024 Share Posted June 13, 2024 Just now, _zwb said: destroy those constantly during ck fight Still doesn't stop anchors. The fundamental flaw is that CK's AI is willing to sit there and spawn harmless waves ad infinitum. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157002-crab-cheese-king/#findComment-1724346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike23Ua Posted June 13, 2024 Share Posted June 13, 2024 17 minutes ago, Bumber64 said: Still doesn't stop anchors. The fundamental flaw is that CK's AI is willing to sit there and spawn harmless waves ad infinitum. Plot twist, what if ocean waves could push your character off the deck of your boat if you don’t at least move out of the way of them? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157002-crab-cheese-king/#findComment-1724349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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