Gashzer Posted May 11, 2024 Share Posted May 11, 2024 4 minutes ago, grm9 said: which? they asked me to not recommend minimal gear FW as an alternative for weather pains and lazy explorer and i won't since i have no reason to now, since they changed those on controllers, i don't really care about it getting changed on consoles since according to them mind control is already broken there and you'd need to look at if you'd ruin anyone's fun there, considering that consoles generally seem to have a bigger percentage of casual players in comparison to PC Whos fun is being ruined? What is fun for you? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/155637-scrappy-scavengers-update/page/3/#findComment-1713536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grm9 Posted May 11, 2024 Share Posted May 11, 2024 6 minutes ago, Gashzer said: Whos fun is being ruined? read the message again, "there" means on switch/among switch players in that context Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/155637-scrappy-scavengers-update/page/3/#findComment-1713537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonStrider Posted May 13, 2024 Share Posted May 13, 2024 I'm not sure what Gasher thinks you're not addressing. I understand that we're on the same page. As for the update not being out, don't count your chickens before they've hatched. They've only used the words improved or adjusted. That could mean anything. LE needs improvement but WP needs a complete fix and part of that may require adjusting the entire targeting system which is different on console. They also specifically said controller, not console. Console has a very different targeting system. Maybe the changes for PC players using controllers will behave differently than they do on console. Maybe there are even differences between PS, XB, and Switch. I am excited to see if these changes are good. But I'm not going to assume anything until they're actually out. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/155637-scrappy-scavengers-update/page/3/#findComment-1713811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gashzer Posted May 14, 2024 Share Posted May 14, 2024 On 5/13/2024 at 8:18 AM, CrimsonStrider said: I'm not sure what Gasher thinks you're not addressing. I understand that we're on the same page. "All I'm asking you to do, is to stop suggesting this method to struggling console players and recognize that for its own set of reasons, this fight is very hard on these platforms. It doesn't matter that some people can solo it. I can solo it. It's still a much harder thing to do on console. Sometimes, I think, when I see people complaining about something, they're not doing a very good job at explaining what's happening, and that results in people perhaps saying really wrong things about the issue, but one commonality is that very few people have good things to say about AFW on console." Grm9 not addressing that console gameplay and experiences may not line up perfectly with DST experience on PC. Althought i want all old bosses reworked and made easier for all platforms. DST is very popular but it could be insanely popular if combat especially boss combat, was made more accessible. Thats my opinion anyway. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/155637-scrappy-scavengers-update/page/3/#findComment-1713992 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grm9 Posted May 14, 2024 Share Posted May 14, 2024 20 minutes ago, Gashzer said: Althought i want all old bosses reworked and made easier for all platforms there's hardly any room left to make them easier, you can simply hold F against dfly and stop whenever it starts flying away, there even are setups for automatically freezing it by using a flingo instead of using pan flute, FW is absurdly easy with brightshade staff, nightmare amulet and lazy explorer, most people never complain about toadstool being too hard, you can also kill BQ by holding F with some setups 20 minutes ago, Gashzer said: Grm9 not addressing that console gameplay and experiences may not line up perfectly with DST experience on PC i've already answered that On 5/7/2024 at 8:24 AM, CrimsonStrider said: All I'm asking you to do, is to stop suggesting this method to struggling console players On 5/11/2024 at 9:48 AM, grm9 said: they asked me to not recommend minimal gear FW as an alternative for weather pains and lazy explorer and i won't since i have no reason to now, since they changed those on controllers Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/155637-scrappy-scavengers-update/page/3/#findComment-1713995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gashzer Posted May 14, 2024 Share Posted May 14, 2024 14 minutes ago, grm9 said: I've already answered that Not changed on switch yet annnnnd it might not be a good enough change. Plus doesnt stop switch having worse framerate. Stutters obviously affect how you fight bosses. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/155637-scrappy-scavengers-update/page/3/#findComment-1713998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grm9 Posted May 14, 2024 Share Posted May 14, 2024 31 minutes ago, Gashzer said: Plus doesnt stop switch having worse framerate entirely unrelated to bosses 31 minutes ago, Gashzer said: it might not be a good enough change seems like they made lazy explorer teleport you just barely out of the cage when in it and weather pain should always target FW instead of woven shadows 32 minutes ago, Gashzer said: Not changed on switch yet it'll get changed at some point so that's irrelevant Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/155637-scrappy-scavengers-update/page/3/#findComment-1714000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gashzer Posted May 14, 2024 Share Posted May 14, 2024 55 minutes ago, grm9 said: entirely unrelated to bosses Makes boss fights harder so it is related. 56 minutes ago, grm9 said: seems like they made lazy explorer teleport you just barely out of the cage when in it and weather pain should always target FW instead of woven shadows it'll get changed at some point so that's irrelevant Well ill wait and see if it makes a difference to the feel of the fight. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/155637-scrappy-scavengers-update/page/3/#findComment-1714002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grm9 Posted May 14, 2024 Share Posted May 14, 2024 35 minutes ago, Gashzer said: Makes boss fights harder so it is related it doesn't? there are no anims that are short enough for not seeing 1-2 frames to cause anything 35 minutes ago, Gashzer said: Well ill wait and see if it makes a difference to the feel of the fight even if it doesn't, you could keep suggesting changes that'd only apply to console Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/155637-scrappy-scavengers-update/page/3/#findComment-1714003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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