Easier health regeneration from basic and common foods

[ZombieDupe]

The ingredients new players will usually encounter will normally cook meatballs in pot, which don't give a lot of health. Sometimes ratatouille and occasionally fist full of jam, all of which are awful dishes. The ingredients themselves, when cooked and eaten give nothing too. This is terrible for progression, more experienced players will know to kill butterflies for easy health but that is just dumb and not something to expect from the player.

Cooked carrots and berries should restore more health, maybe 8 like the spider glands. This way they have a better chance at surviving until they can learn to use armor, but they won't if regenerating health is so extremely costly.

Basic and most common to cook pot foods that happen as a result of players not knowing recipes, like meatballs, ratatouille and fist full of jam, should be better at restoring some of this too. Meatballs could restore a little more health and sanity, ratatouille could restore more health, and jam could be good for restoring sanity (and hunger, since eating the berry ingredients restores more hunger otherwise), like it's more equivalent to 

Meatballs: 63.5 hunger, 10 sanity, 10 health

Ratatouille: 37.5 hunger, 5 sanity, 20 health

Fist Full of Jam: 50 hunger, 15 sanity, 5 health

 

The harder to obtain dishes are still better than this, especially considering later on, the ingredients for these become less manageable and would not be as useful overall, but since these 3 are more common than anything for new players, it makes sense to have them restore better stats instead of 2 of them being "failed dishes" when it doesn't seem to be the case at first glance.

 

Stuffed Eggplant is also a dish to mention, it's less common, but cooking it is never good to do in pot, you are better off cooking and eating the ingredients as is. Here is a better stat line for it:

Stuffed Eggplant: 50 hunger, 10 sanity, 20 health

[Torpzun]

I think that this role is already filled by Froggle Bunwiches, which new players will get the moment they try to make Meatballs with a frog leg and a carrot. I'm not really a fan of further cementing Meatballs into being the only dish new players ever try to make.

I do like the buff to Stuffed Eggplant though. Right now it feels like Stuffed Eggplant is a fail dish for a crop that is worse than potatoes in almost every way, and potatoes have multiple recipes that aren't bad.

[ZombieDupe]

17 hours ago, Torpzun said:

I think that this role is already filled by Froggle Bunwiches, which new players will get the moment they try to make Meatballs with a frog leg and a carrot. I'm not really a fan of further cementing Meatballs into being the only dish new players ever try to make.

I do like the buff to Stuffed Eggplant though. Right now it feels like Stuffed Eggplant is a fail dish for a crop that is worse than potatoes in almost every way, and potatoes have multiple recipes that aren't bad.

Froggle Bunwich is a rarity for new players because it requires killing a frog at a pond exclusively, and if you attempt that, usually it will end up with new players attracting more frogs than they can deal with and getting hit multiple times. 2 hits and you already lost the health you may regain from the food item.

Even 2 frogs for a combat-inept player will plummet their health more than they can regenerate because there is no focus on letting them get armor and they don't know they can, and should, hold F to attack instead of rappid clicking, which more often than not results in side-stepping instead of attacking a target. If basic cooking ingredients and even more common crock pot food items helped alleviate health and some sanity problems, this level of error wouldn't mean they are just going to be left with 10 health or so for the rest of however long they can still manage to survive.

[Torpzun]

2 minutes ago, ZombieDupe said:

Froggle Bunwich is a rarity for new players because it requires killing a frog at a pond exclusively, and if you attempt that, usually it will end up with new players attracting more frogs than they can deal with and getting hit multiple times. 2 hits and you already lost the health you may regain from the food item.

Even 2 frogs for a combat-inept player will plummet their health more than they can regenerate because there is no focus on letting them get armor and they don't know they can, and should, hold F to attack instead of rappid clicking, which more often than not results in side-stepping instead of attacking a target. If basic cooking ingredients and even more common crock pot food items helped alleviate health and some sanity problems, this level of error wouldn't mean they are just going to be left with 10 health or so for the rest of however long they can still manage to survive.

Traps cost 0 health, don't aggro every frog in a 5 mile radius, and are right there front and center when you go to the Food and Gardening tab, which is a tab new players might gravitate towards since food is a constant issue.

[ZombieDupe]

1 hour ago, Torpzun said:

Traps cost 0 health, don't aggro every frog in a 5 mile radius, and are right there front and center when you go to the Food and Gardening tab, which is a tab new players might gravitate towards since food is a constant issue.

Rarely if ever have I seen them use traps on frogs. Normally the go-to is on rabbit holes. The cost of a trap for its durability, if that's your health sustenance is also really high since each trap takes 6 grass and has only 8 durability. Maybe it can be fairly good for one player, but that goes down if they keep throwing random amount of each ingredient in the pot depending on availability, putting 4 frogs legs and making meatballs for them would be a huge waste.

I don't suppose they can figure out the ingredient requirement for it either and will likely make meatballs out of the frog legs regardless unless they have more vegetables like carrots or mushrooms than berries, which is unlikely until you get into farming. That also takes a ton of time to get up and running and whether a player figures out the need for making a digamagig to actually create plots, as that's a relatively farfetched idea, is few and far between.

I don't expect most will base near frog pond area either, usually either basing near pig king or the more likely scenario, near portal or near beefalos if that is close by, setting up base of operations much earlier than you ideally should, and never exploring far, so the amount of frogs legs they could possibly get throughout the day time is heavily capped. Pretty sure quickly enough it may get tedious to manage if they do take note of it as well.

There is not really any progression for health and hunger regeneration for them from doing that either, though that is a wider problem due to other aspects of the game. Winter makes this method unavailable, they may probably have crops up and running by then, but I don't suppose they will assume crops will continue to grow throughout winter, despite the fact that the farm ones do.

[Torpzun]

Just now, ZombieDupe said:

Rarely if ever have I seen them use traps on frogs. Normally the go-to is on rabbit holes. The cost of a trap for its durability, if that's your health sustenance is also really high since each trap takes 6 grass and has only 8 durability. Maybe it can be fairly good for one player, but that goes down if they keep throwing random amount of each ingredient in the pot depending on availability, putting 4 frogs legs and making meatballs for them would be a huge waste.

I don't suppose they can figure out the ingredient requirement for it either and will likely make meatballs out of the frog legs anyway unless they have more vegetables like carrots or mushrooms than berries, which is unlikely until you get into farming. That also takes a ton of time to get up and running and whether a player figures out the need for making a digamagig to actually create plots as that's a relatively farfetched idea is few and far between.

I don't expect most will base near frog pond area either, usually either basing near pig king or the more likely scenario, near portal or near beefalos if that is close by, setting up base of operations much earlier than you ideally should, and never exploring far, so the amount of frogs legs they could possibly get throughout the day time is heavily capped. Pretty sure quickly enough it may get tedious to manage if they do take note of it as well.

New players discover Froggle Bunwiches by accident when they try to make Meatballs with a frog leg and a carrot or mushroom. They discovered Ratatouille and jam fists on accident too. Even if it's just a frog leg, mushroom, and 2 berries. They don't need to base right next to the frogs (nor would they, why would they set up base next to hostile enemies?), just have them somewhere around so that it's not an epic quest to go to a pond. You also don't need to set up an entire farm just to gather vegetables for them when the random carrots and mushrooms lying around will do, though with the way new players behave they would certainly benefit from a farm. Froggle Bunwiches are nice for health, but if you try to mass produce them by basing next to frogs and growing as many vegetables as possible then the server is going to starve.

I don't expect them to immediately know how to make them or even that they're a very filler-friendly recipe that accepts sticks, but a big part of the game is learning these kinds of things. Just like they can learn that they don't particularly need traps when they learn about the F key. Frogs go down in 3 spear swings and their swarming isn't too bad if it's early morning or if it's just 1-2 ponds. You can kill one and then disengage. The frogs will quit their pursuit eventually and you have until dusk. Traps are handy but they are definitely too expensive to rely on entirely. So new players need to learn better ways of dealing with frogs than merely traps.

[Well-met]

eat butterflies

[Jinjetica]

...about the frogs....have you ever heard of WENDY, ya know, one of the more popular characters??? I think that it's pretty easy to find out about frogwitches aight? I mean... if you see them laying around, you already know you need the legs right?...and the only person who needs to worry about ratatouille or jam is Wurt, no one else should be makin it, and everyone will tell them so too, harshly sometimes.

about healing.... kill butterflies, and make salves, and wear armor, and use tents, and make butterfly muffins, one of the easiest healing items, sometimes even easier than meatballs, and can be made with one pair of butterfly wings, a carrot and some berries or twigs, and also gives 20 hp... this was the 3rd recipe I learned in the game, not hard at all.