Desert stone alternate use

[HowlVoid]

Can we please use desert stones to refuel the lazy explorer? In their current state they have very limited use outside of multiplayer despite being a boss/klaus stash loot. Even in multiplayer where walking canes may be in short supply due to having a single Mctusk camp they can find a more practical use. Even just allowing a 5% refuel per stone (1 single teleport) would be nice. Most everyone only use it for bosses and then deconstruct them or on console where I personally never use them due to having no control (I just need to get rid of 50 or so of them lol).

[ArubaroBeefalo]

a good idea but then we will need another use for orange gems :/

[HowlVoid]

26 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

a good idea but then we will need another use for orange gems :/

Well you can still craft the lazy forager. And with a mere 5% percent refuel per stone you would only get a few extra extra uses per boss, per year. A fuelweaver fight can take 2-3 lazy explorers. My thinking is more of topping off your lazy explorers before a fight or for use outside of a boss fight which rarely happens. Deconstructing for a full use one is still more efficient especially if you have multiple explorers.

 

[Crestwave]

I just want to note that you can trade with Antlion for desert stones. They are not by any means valuable and even a 5% refuel would be very powerful.

[HowlVoid]

On 1/9/2021 at 8:06 AM, Crestwave said:

I just want to note that you can trade with Antlion for desert stones. They are not by any means valuable and even a 5% refuel would be very powerful.

This is true but remember that this is boss loot. Already at the cost of one friend (I don't have any) and single stone a player can teleport across the world which is multiple lazy explorer uses. Lets not forget there is already a boss that gives fully fueled lazy explorers; dragonfly (green gems and orange gems). Now obviously dragonfly is nowhere on par with antlion but it is far less time extensive. Even new players can eventually learn the wall in method for a few resources (plus dragonfly drops so many more goodies). Lazy foragers are mostly forgotten as an utility item outside of boss battles to the point where we are asking for bridges now. The whole point of lazy explorers if for traversing the world, well, lazily. However with the high cost and rng dependent drop that is walrus tusks no one wants to use them for that purpose. Its also strange that a depleted lazy explorer can somehow no longer be used as a cane even though canes had no power in the first place.

[Crestwave]

1 hour ago, HowlVoid said:

This is true but remember that this is boss loot. Already at the cost of one friend (I don't have any) and single stone a player can teleport across the world which is multiple lazy explorer uses. Lets not forget there is already a boss that gives fully fueled lazy explorers; dragonfly (green gems and orange gems). Now obviously dragonfly is nowhere on par with antlion but it is far less time extensive. Even new players can eventually learn the wall in method for a few resources (plus dragonfly drops so many more goodies). Lazy foragers are mostly forgotten as an utility item outside of boss battles to the point where we are asking for bridges now. The whole point of lazy explorers if for traversing the world, well, lazily. However with the high cost and rng dependent drop that is walrus tusks no one wants to use them for that purpose. Its also strange that a depleted lazy explorer can somehow no longer be used as a cane even though canes had no power in the first place.

As someone who does play with other people, lazy deserters are situational and on a completely different level from telepoofing. In my experience, the main reason people don't heavily use lazy explorers is that you need the ancient tab to get more uses. But most people I play with do use it for stuff like getting across an annoying gap now and then—it still does its job.

I find it a bit disingenuous to call the desert stone "boss loot" as a reply to my comment when its essentially the same thing as gold from the pig king, but seasonal. Being able to trade a single egg for a teleport encroaches on Wortox's territory.

Fought a frog rain once? Congratulations, you now have 250 telepoofs stored. Try not to spend it all on one place 

[HowlVoid]

2 hours ago, Crestwave said:

As someone who does play with other people, lazy deserters are situational and on a completely different level from telepoofing. In my experience, the main reason people don't heavily use lazy explorers is that you need the ancient tab to get more uses. But most people I play with do use it for stuff like getting across an annoying gap now and then—it still does its job.

I find it a bit disingenuous to call the desert stone "boss loot" as a reply to my comment when its essentially the same thing as gold from the pig king, but seasonal. Being able to trade a single egg for a teleport encroaches on Wortox's territory.

Fought a frog rain once? Congratulations, you now have 250 telepoofs stored. Try not to spend it all on one place 

Oh wow I didn't know trading with it worked like that! I thought it had a cool down or something... Well I always kill it so there was no way for me to know... Then it can be given a cooldown? Lol I just want a single player use and its unique drop comes close to the lazy explorer. 

[GrowthMindset]

On 1/9/2021 at 12:17 AM, HowlVoid said:

Can we please use desert stones to refuel the lazy explorer? In their current state they have very limited use outside of multiplayer despite being a boss/klaus stash loot. Even in multiplayer where walking canes may be in short supply due to having a single Mctusk camp they can find a more practical use. Even just allowing a 5% refuel per stone (1 single teleport) would be nice. Most everyone only use it for bosses and then deconstruct them or on console where I personally never use them due to having no control (I just need to get rid of 50 or so of them lol).

I like this idea. Desert stones definitely need more use and it would also make sense lore-wise. The Antlion is a pretty annoying boring boss as it is.

On 1/9/2021 at 12:19 AM, ArubaroBeefalo said:

a good idea but then we will need another use for orange gems :/

It takes a while before everyone gets both an orange amulet and the LE. And if we're talking about solo worlds, we can make orange gems refuel lazy explorer too. So what if we don't need to revisit the ruins for orange gem crafts? It's not as if you can farm an absurd amount of thulecites with them. Orange gem crafts aren't OP.

This change would also give less reasons to hunt Mactusks later in the game, but come to think of it, it's just a tedious murderous chore.

On 1/9/2021 at 11:06 PM, Crestwave said:

I just want to note that you can trade with Antlion for desert stones. They are not by any means valuable and even a 5% refuel would be very powerful.

Trinkets are hardly renewable and the egg for desert stone trade can be removed.

[HowlVoid]

1 hour ago, GrowthMindset said:

I like this idea. Desert stones definitely need more use and it would also make sense lore-wise. The Antlion is a pretty annoying boring boss as it is.

It takes a while before everyone gets both an orange amulet and the LE. And if we're talking about solo worlds, we can make orange gems refuel lazy explorer too. So what if we don't need to revisit the ruins for orange gem crafts? It's not as if you can farm an absurd amount of thulecites with them. Orange gem crafts aren't OP.

This change would also give less reasons to hunt Mactusks later in the game, but come to think of it, it's just a tedious murderous chore.

Trinkets are hardly renewable and the egg for desert stone trade can be removed.

Yes, I agree. The more I think about it the more I realize how much of a downgrade the lazy explorer can be. Especially on console where doing basic things like cooking get you an unwarranted telepoof. Klei can go many ways about it but either way the item is very mediocre when compared to the other more valuable staffs. And if you never need to craft then again so what? There are many items that invalidate other items with winonas catapults being far better than the shootious. I already have dozens of the actual orange gems wasting away in a chest. Someone else suggested refining multiple of the stones into a single gem and I like that idea to based on how the current orange gem items work.

[Crestwave]

7 hours ago, GrowthMindset said:

Trinkets are hardly renewable and the egg for desert stone trade can be removed.

This would be a lot more balanced, since pig king gives multiple gold for trinkets while Antlion still only gives one stone, making most trinkets an inefficient trade. They are not "hardly renewable", though—tumbleweed, oasis fishing, the merm king, and the ruins are all renewable and provide copious amounts of trinkets.

7 hours ago, GrowthMindset said:

So what if we don't need to revisit the ruins for orange gem crafts? It's not as if you can farm an absurd amount of thulecites with them. Orange gem crafts aren't OP.

I do think this should be the case for the lazy forager, but the lazy explorer kind of overlaps with Wortox's ability. But as someone who doesn't use Wortox, it would be fun spamming it so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[ArubaroBeefalo]

18 hours ago, GrowthMindset said:

Orange gem crafts aren't OP

Lazy explorer increase a lot your odds of surviving. Being able to telepuff to evade numeros hits like being atacked by hounds in the middle of a DF fight or chase by multiple terrorbeaks in a bad moment, etc